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Title: Stocks
Post by: Smirk on June 20, 2008, 03:40:27 AM
Guys,

Here's a place to post ideas about stocks

Inside information is welcome

p.s.
 if someone posts a particular stock the poster should not be held responsible if the stock drops
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Yitzter on June 20, 2008, 04:56:49 AM
Guys,

Here's a place to post ideas about stocks

Inside information is welcome

p.s.
 if someone posts a particular stock the poster should not be held responsible if the stock drops

Thats going to be a bit tough considering the fact that anyone can say what they think is a great stock yet still suck.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: levi on June 20, 2008, 06:17:22 AM
I got MA at the IPO $39
I think LVS is a great buy now for long term
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: rover771 on June 20, 2008, 08:58:40 AM
thanks levi for your help. now if you can give some advice on whats the best site to use to trade online (small time trading, starting with $2000)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Smirk on June 20, 2008, 09:35:24 AM
If you want to buy one and just hold it etrade (http://www.etrade.com) has a first time deal, 100 free trades and after its $12.99 per trade
TdAmeritrade (http://www.tdameritrade.com) charges $10 per trade

Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: coralsnake on June 20, 2008, 04:00:43 PM
Inside information is illegal.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: coralsnake on June 20, 2008, 04:28:45 PM
I should mention that although Zecco has $0 stock trades, you need to open the account with at least $2500 to get this (Im not sure if you need to maintain that amount also to get the free trades).

Also- options trades are $4.50 per trade + $0.50 per contract. And their IRA accounts have an annual fee ($35 I think).
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: aygart on June 20, 2008, 04:29:07 PM
Inside information is illegal.
It would be a very hard sell to a jury to say that a trade was insider trading from being based on a tip from an unknown screen name on a publicly available forum, if illegal at all. Also, if someone knows that WalMart is about to report amazing numbers, I don't think it is illegal to buy Target based upon that knowledge, even though it will likely rise as well.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Smirk on June 20, 2008, 04:30:35 PM
thanx for the support
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: rover771 on June 30, 2008, 04:28:48 PM
lvs went down $5 since you wrote about it
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: coralsnake on June 30, 2008, 04:32:38 PM
lvs went down $5 since you wrote about it

First of all, he did say he liked it as a long term play.
And Secondly, the whole market is down in the last 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: aaa on June 30, 2008, 05:30:28 PM
I made a big play on Sharks with Friggin' Laser Beams on their Foreheads Inc (ticker:SWFLBF) a few years back... still may be hot.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: moish on June 30, 2008, 06:11:59 PM
id like to recommend CLM it pays dividends of about 18% a year i dont take achrayus though
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: aygart on July 01, 2008, 08:41:58 AM
id like to recommend CLM it pays dividends of about 18% a year i dont take achrayus though
At a quick glance it is a closed end fund. When they have such an outlandishly high yield, it is usually because they are way too leveraged. The potential risks often far outweigh the yield. Tread carefully.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Cheap dude on November 02, 2010, 02:05:56 AM
Any stock tips? i just bought citigroup any feedback?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: SuperFlyer on November 02, 2010, 07:08:47 AM
DDF

its a forum online based in CLE.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: exfallsburg on November 02, 2010, 10:14:13 AM
If you are investing less than $25k sogotrade.com is better. ($3 a trade no minimums etc.) PM if you want to sign up so I can give you my referral code. (If you want to invest more than $25k use Charleslight's Zecco referral. I don't want to step on any toes here.)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: jj1000 on August 22, 2013, 10:53:21 AM
http://www.moneynews.com/MKTNews/billionaires-dump-economist-stock/2012/08/29/id/450265?PROMO_CODE=110D8-1&utm_source=taboola

Interesting.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Dave321 on August 22, 2013, 12:04:24 PM
The best place is Zecco.com because your trades are free.
If you want to sign up with them, please let me refer you since I will get a $50 bonus; send me an email at info@charleslight.com.

Their real-time date is not so good, though. So what I do is I use my Scottrade account to get streaming quotes, but make trades on Zecco since it cost $0 per trade.

When was the last time you used your account? They have merged with tradeking, in case you didnt know.

Also they charge 4.95 per trade.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: jj1000 on August 22, 2013, 12:15:15 PM
When was the last time you used your account? They have merged with tradeking, in case you didnt know.

Also they charge 4.95 per trade.
Bahahahahahaha!!!!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on August 22, 2013, 02:42:26 PM
And the NASDAQ is still halted...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on August 22, 2013, 02:58:41 PM
When was the last time you used your account? They have merged with tradeking, in case you didnt know.

Also they charge 4.95 per trade.

Dude he wrote that comment years before they merged...just in case you didn't know.. :P
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ayman on August 22, 2013, 03:20:08 PM
lol,
Btw there was another shooting in an elementary school yesterday in Ga. Last two times there was a well publicized shooting, gun stocks dipped for a few days and then took off. I bought SWHC after the Conn. incident at around $8 a share, last quote was at $11.26 over a few months span. (sold already at $9 a share.  :'() The Colorado shooting was even faster spike. Keep an eye on OLN, SWHC, RGR, and other gun stocks.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on August 23, 2013, 02:52:00 PM
Bought MSFT a couple days ago at 31.7. Its a great value at only 9 forward p/e, they have a great stock buyback at low prices, and a decent dividend. All that, and IMHO very little room to go down.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Am on August 23, 2013, 04:15:31 PM
Bought MSFT a couple days ago at 31.7. Its a great value at only 9 forward p/e, they have a great stock buyback at low prices, and a decent dividend. All that, and IMHO very little room to go down.
share jump 8% on Steve ballmers retirement announcement. That's gotta be an ego booster
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ayman on August 23, 2013, 04:17:13 PM
lol
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Dave321 on August 25, 2013, 11:05:06 PM
Dude he wrote that comment years before they merged...just in case you didn't know.. :P

lol, I know. saw that after i posted 8)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: smart brit on August 26, 2013, 12:27:56 AM
Just mentioning a name here for a long term play, and I would recommend anyone interested to check it out themselves
CRUS
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on August 26, 2013, 12:46:23 AM
Just mentioning a name here for a long term play, and I would recommend anyone interested to check it out themselves
CRUS
The shares are cheap, but I notice that predict weaker earnings next year, with a higher fwd p/e than the current p/e. What makes you think that they'll right the ship two years from now?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: smart brit on August 26, 2013, 01:32:29 AM
The shares are cheap, but I notice that predict weaker earnings next year, with a higher fwd p/e than the current p/e. What makes you think that they'll right the ship two years from now?
did you see the current PE? Cheap is a understatement!
Although they won't grow as fast as they did in the previous 9 profitable quarters, they will still be profitable and will have a decent PE ratio.
That's the buy side argument
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ayman on August 26, 2013, 02:00:32 AM
shares had a rough year though...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on August 26, 2013, 08:04:55 AM
shares had a rough year though...

...and that's one reason why it could be a great buy. If you only buy stocks that went up in the past year, you'd be leaving yourself with very little room to go up, with plenty of room for it to go down.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on August 26, 2013, 08:37:06 AM
Just mentioning a name here for a long term play, and I would recommend anyone interested to check it out themselves
CRUS
Should be in this (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=14771.0) thread ( or these 2 threads should be combined ).
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on August 26, 2013, 08:49:07 AM
Should be in this (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=14771.0) thread ( or these 2 threads should be combined ).

The latter
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ayman on August 26, 2013, 09:34:56 AM
...and that's one reason why it could be a great buy. If you only buy stocks that went up in the past year, you'd be leaving yourself with very little room to go up, with plenty of room for it to go down.
True, however with positive income and really goog p/e makes you wonder why they slipped by 50%. (I do know the p/e is greatly affected by current price, which makes it a sig cheaper stock than earlier in the yr.) also as pointed out above, they are not predicting it to turn around yet w the 1 yr target lower than current price
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on August 27, 2013, 04:28:41 PM
Picked up ALK - Alaska Airlines today. The company's numbers are incredible.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: raphy781 on August 27, 2013, 06:27:12 PM
Wow it feels good to own a couple shares of MOV today^-^
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: smart brit on August 27, 2013, 07:42:19 PM
True, however with positive income and really goog p/e makes you wonder why they slipped by 50%. (I do know the p/e is greatly affected by current price, which makes it a sig cheaper stock than earlier in the yr.) also as pointed out above, they are not predicting it to turn around yet w the 1 yr target lower than current price
check out the company's 5yr target
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: smart brit on August 28, 2013, 05:42:41 PM
Just mentioning a name here for a long term play, and I would recommend anyone interested to check it out themselves
CRUS
Anyone dipped in to this?
Up a nice 10%
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mark F on August 28, 2013, 11:44:27 PM
A friend of mine has shares in BlackBerry (BBRY) - Should he sell or is there hope? (especially now that BBM is going to be available on Android)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Yeki89 on August 28, 2013, 11:45:17 PM
TGT went from $73 to $63 this past week.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mark F on August 28, 2013, 11:59:43 PM
TGT went from $73 to $63 this past week.

Whats your take on BBRY?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on August 29, 2013, 12:08:58 AM
check out the company's 5yr target

How can you check the 5 year target?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on August 29, 2013, 12:10:16 AM
A friend of mine has shares in BlackBerry (BBRY) - Should he sell or is there hope? (especially now that BBM is going to be available on Android)

What price did he buy at?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mark F on August 29, 2013, 12:11:37 AM
What price did he buy at?

I dont know. Do you think it will go up a few more dollars?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on August 29, 2013, 12:23:05 AM
I dont know. Do you think it will go up a few more dollars?

The book value is really high right now at $18. So even if they go bankrupt tomorrow the shares will be liquidated at higher than the $10 price right now. Of course, if they don't go bankrupt, I would expect prices in the future.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on August 29, 2013, 12:28:11 AM
The book value is really high right now at $18. So even if they go bankrupt tomorrow the shares will be liquidated at higher than the $10 price right now. Of course, if they don't go bankrupt, I would expect prices in the future.
Then again you never know how the next quarterly report will look like..
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mark F on August 29, 2013, 12:31:03 AM
when does the next report come out?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on August 29, 2013, 12:37:33 AM
Then again you never know how the next quarterly report will look like..

You can say that about any stock. I think BBRY could be a good buy just because of their possible sale. Even with some short term loss, they have lots of assets to burn through before this stock becomes a sell in my book.

I have no positions in BBRY of course ;)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on August 29, 2013, 12:37:43 AM
when does the next report come out?
09/26/2013
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Yeki89 on August 29, 2013, 12:39:13 AM
I would hold onto BBRY.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on August 29, 2013, 12:45:25 AM
I would hold onto BBRY.

+1
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: smart brit on August 29, 2013, 10:08:29 AM
How can you check the 5 year target?
the company guidance from last quarter
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Menachem613 on August 29, 2013, 10:37:19 AM

You can say that about any stock. I think BBRY could be a good buy just because of their possible sale. Even with some short term loss, they have lots of assets to burn through before this stock becomes a sell in my book.

I have no positions in BBRY of course ;)

I see no hope for them.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Dave321 on August 29, 2013, 10:58:23 AM
Who here has apple? i bought at 397.....!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on August 29, 2013, 11:02:16 AM
You can say that about any stock.
That's right, that's why in a way I consider trading some sort of gambling.
Quote
I think BBRY could be a good buy just because of their possible sale. Even with some short term loss, they have lots of assets to burn through before this stock becomes a sell in my book.

I have no positions in BBRY of course ;)
Why short term? They've done quite bad the pass 2+ years, they had some hopes when they were launching the Z10 and have fallen back since then,
I would be quite worried if I would've own any of their shares.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shreknit on August 29, 2013, 11:21:42 AM
Who here has apple? i bought at 397.....!

I bought originaly at 90
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Dave321 on August 29, 2013, 11:25:05 AM
I bought originaly at 90

Wow! and sold at??

Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on August 29, 2013, 11:30:07 AM
Who here has apple? i bought at 397.....!
Part of my shares I bought at about $580 :-[ and part of it I bought at about $430 ^-^
My brother in-law still holds on to his shares which he bought for $44(!) a share.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Dave321 on August 29, 2013, 11:31:12 AM
Part of my shares I bought at about $580 :-[ and part of it I bought at about $430 ^-^
My brother in-law still holds on to his shares which he bought for $44(!) a share.

well they are coming out with a new line next month.... hopefully this will bring them back to the $700 days.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on August 29, 2013, 12:35:42 PM
Who here has apple? i bought at 397.....!

I bought at 425. Didn't see it when it when it dipped to 390 :(
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shreknit on August 29, 2013, 01:39:49 PM
Wow! and sold at??

240 then rebought in the late 3s
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on August 29, 2013, 02:19:10 PM
That's right, that's why in a way I consider trading some sort of gambling. Why short term? They've done quite bad the pass 2+ years, they had some hopes when they were launching the Z10 and have fallen back since then,
I would be quite worried if I would've own any of their shares.

If the stock market is just gambling, that would make warren buffett, the worlds greatest, winningest gambler. True, if you buy a company without looking at the books you are a gambler. But not everyone does that, some people actually look at a company's financials and see the value of the assets and the price they're selling at, and sometimes you find killer deals in bad companies. Blackberry isn't a killer deal per se, but I'm betting that in 6-12 months the stock will be 20-30% higher.

I may point out that I don't care much about short term. As one great man put it "In the short term the market is a voting machine, in the long term a weighing machine."
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Menachem613 on August 29, 2013, 02:24:34 PM

If the stock market is just gambling, that would make warren buffett, the worlds greatest, winningest gambler. True, if you buy a company without looking at the books you are a gambler. But not everyone does that, some people actually look at a company's financials and see the value of the assets and the price they're selling at, and sometimes you find killer deals in bad companies. Blackberry isn't a killer deal per se, but I'm betting that in 6-12 months the stock will be 20-30% higher.

I may point out that I don't care much about short term. As one great man put it "In the short term the market is a voting machine, in the long term a weighing machine."

If it's not gambling, how come so few professionals are capable of beating the market over the long term?  Remember Bill Miller of Legg Mason Value Trust?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on August 29, 2013, 02:37:43 PM
If the stock market is just gambling, that would make warren buffett, the worlds greatest, winningest gambler. True, if you buy a company without looking at the books you are a gambler. But not everyone does that, some people actually look at a company's financials and see the value of the assets and the price they're selling at, and sometimes you find killer deals in bad companies. Blackberry isn't a killer deal per se, but I'm betting that in 6-12 months the stock will be 20-30% higher.

I may point out that I don't care much about short term. As one great man put it "In the short term the market is a voting machine, in the long term a weighing machine."
I knew someone will comment about it, I didn't mean that it's actually like gambling where there's no reason why you would rather win then loose,
but still when you trade you goto hope that you have all the info needed and there's no secrets which if you would've known that you wouldn't buy that stock.

If you're a very smart person (i.e. Warren buffet ) and understand the market close to 100% ( i.e. Warren buffet ) then you have more chances to earn then to loose, but there are always some buys on which you loose cause you didn't know ( and you couldn't have know ) the inside info which at this point it has some similarity to gambling, whatever...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: AsherO on August 29, 2013, 02:39:21 PM
well they are coming out with a new line next month....

They are? FWIU they are just reiterating existing product lines. Please CMIIW.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Menachem613 on August 29, 2013, 02:45:22 PM
Warren Buffet's winning streak isn't due to gambling or understanding companies better than others. It's mainly because he has so much cash and great negotiations skills. He can get deals that others cannot. Look no further than his $5b deal with BAC.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ayman on August 29, 2013, 02:47:30 PM
had to start somewhere right? he wasn't born the best negotiator ever! ::)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on August 29, 2013, 02:54:32 PM
If it's not gambling, how come so few professionals are capable of beating the market over the long term?  Remember Bill Miller of Legg Mason Value Trust?

I and others here beat the market long term. Does that make us from the most elite investors? Hardly.

Mutual funds managers (among others) have bad track record because of many issues. When they're buying millions of shares, they incur high trading costs. They also manage to raise the cost price for themselves as their large purchases affect the market price. Since they can't buy all their shares in one purchase, by the time they're done the stock could have gone up a lot.

Open market funds, which the typical fund is, has additional problems. Any person investing in the fund can pull their money out any day. Investors are also always adding. Now the fund manager has to raise cash for investors withdrawals, so he sells stocks. More trading costs. The investors buying in can bring in large amounts of money. Now the funds profitability gets weighed down whenever they're holding cash. So they buy all the best stocks they can find. But after a short while, those are either too expensive or their position in those stocks are too large. Now the fund manager has to find any stocks that can make money, even if the stock isn't as likely to rise as high as the original purchases.

It makes a lot of sense why most managers can't beat the market. And it makes a lot of sense for the passive investor to just buy the entire S&P. But for the rest of us, with gods help we have consistently beat the market. It is outright naive to think that investing in a valuable business at a cheap price is gambling.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on August 29, 2013, 03:05:18 PM
I knew someone will comment about it, I didn't mean that it's actually like gambling where there's no reason why you would rather win then loose,
but still when you trade you goto hope that you have all the info needed and there's no secrets which if you would've known that you wouldn't buy that stock.

If you're a very smart person (i.e. Warren buffet ) and understand the market close to 100% ( i.e. Warren buffet ) then you have more chances to earn then to loose, but there are always some buys on which you loose cause you didn't know ( and you couldn't have know ) the inside info which at this point it has some similarity to gambling, whatever...

There's no such thing as 100% or even close to 100% knowledge of the market. Buffett will say that himself. He wouldn't invest in many sectors, simply because he didn't understand it well enough.

Now I'd like to ask you: Do you only invest in businesses that you have 100% knowledge in? If you open a profitable business with a partner, are you 100% sure he won't backstab you? Are you 100% sure that the someone else can't copy you and steal all your business? Nothing is guaranteed, but if you find enough great opportunities, you will come out far ahead even if some opportunities fail. You do your hishtadlus from before to minimize risk and maximize profitability and you pray to God on Rosh Hashana that you should be blessed with a good parnassah.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on August 29, 2013, 03:07:43 PM
and you pray to God every day that you should be blessed with a good parnassah.

Fixed
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ayman on August 29, 2013, 03:09:23 PM
lol +1
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on August 29, 2013, 03:15:30 PM
Fixed

IMHO, we get judged that we will receive X amount of dollars this year. Daily prayers only change how efficiently those dollars will be used.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on August 29, 2013, 03:29:33 PM
IMHO, we get judged that we will receive X amount of dollars this year. Daily prayers only change how efficiently those dollars will be used.

I always thought "even if a sword rests on your neck" applied any time of the year. CMIIW but wouldn't it be the same for finances? My understanding of the Yomim Noraim has always been more of an "opportune time" to plead for the future, but prayer could accomplish the same thing any time.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on August 29, 2013, 04:17:03 PM
I always thought "even if a sword rests on your neck" applied any time of the year. CMIIW but wouldn't it be the same for finances? My understanding of the Yomim Noraim has always been more of an "opportune time" to plead for the future, but prayer could accomplish the same thing any time.

I understand that finances are the same as rain. In Rosh Hashana (16b I think) says its decided how much rain we will get, on rosh hashana, even though the rain can still be for ur bad. If we were judged for a lot of rain and we go off, God still gives that rain, but either at a bad time or bad amounts, like typhoons, floods, and etc. The reverse is true too, if are judged to deserve small amounts of rain, if we do teshuva the small amount suffices, as God makes it rain in the perfect times and the perfect amounts.

Life can not be quantitative. One is either dead or alive. Therefore I believe the teshuva will have to be so extreme in order to rip up the gezeira, Purim style.

Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ches on August 29, 2013, 05:00:44 PM
"תלמוד בבלי ביצה דף ט"ז "כל מזונותיו של אדם קצובים לו מראש השנה ועד יום הכיפורים
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: smart brit on August 29, 2013, 07:20:58 PM
If the stock market is just gambling, that would make warren buffett, the worlds greatest, winningest gambler. True, if you buy a company without looking at the books you are a gambler. But not everyone does that, some people actually look at a company's financials and see the value of the assets and the price they're selling at, and sometimes you find killer deals in bad companies. Blackberry isn't a killer deal per se, but I'm betting that in 6-12 months the stock will be 20-30% higher.

I may point out that I don't care much about short term. As one great man put it "In the short term the market is a voting machine, in the long term a weighing machine."
+1
With every investment there is risk involved and the rewards are subject to the hard work, education and dedication to it.
Everyone that has used the stock market as a game and lost money would call it gambling
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on August 29, 2013, 07:36:09 PM
There's no such thing as 100% or even close to 100% knowledge of the market. Buffett will say that himself. He wouldn't invest in many sectors, simply because he didn't understand it well enough.

Now I'd like to ask you: Do you only invest in businesses that you have 100% knowledge in? If you open a profitable business with a partner, are you 100% sure he won't backstab you? Are you 100% sure that the someone else can't copy you and steal all your business? Nothing is guaranteed, but if you find enough great opportunities, you will come out far ahead even if some opportunities fail. You do your hishtadlus from before to minimize risk and maximize profitability and you pray to God on Rosh Hashana that you should be blessed with a good parnassah.
Ok, I really didn't mean to simply compare trading to gambling, I was just saying that just like when you gamble no matter how much effort you put into it it won't have an effect on the upcoming number/card etc, and you will win/loose based on a fact which you don't know, same here, you will definitely need to do research to figure which stock would be an earning one, "but" after all the companies earnings will be what it will be no matter how much research you did, and here is where it's similar to gambling.

And regarding this;
Quote
"תלמוד בבלי ביצה דף ט"ז "כל מזונותיו של אדם קצובים לו מראש השנה ועד יום הכיפורים
you're 100+% right, I'm just talking b'derech ha'tavah, but we definitely goto have אמונה ובטחון and just pray to hashem for parnasah and then do the needed hishtadles.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on August 29, 2013, 08:26:17 PM
Ok, I really didn't mean to simply compare trading to gambling, I was just saying that just like when you gamble no matter how much effort you put into it it won't have an effect on the upcoming number/card etc, and you will win/loose based on a fact which you don't know, same here, you will definitely need to do research to figure which stock would be an earning one, "but" after all the companies earnings will be what it will be no matter how much research you did, and here is where it's similar to gambling

If that's the case, going to college is similar to gambling too, because you never know how much you'll earn with your degree. So is buying airplane tickets, maybe the price will go down right after you bought them. My point is, every decision a person makes can be similar to gambling if viewed under the same light.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Yeki89 on August 29, 2013, 08:41:58 PM
If that's the case, going to college is similar to gambling too, because you never know how much you'll earn with your degree. So is buying airplane tickets, maybe the price will go down right after you bought them. My point is, every decision a person makes can similar to gambling if viewed under the same light.
+1`
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mark F on August 29, 2013, 09:54:30 PM
Is Tesla (TSLA) a buy?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Am on August 29, 2013, 10:48:23 PM
Is Tesla (TSLA) a buy?
if you think there will be major breakthroughs in battery technology(which Elon Musk is more than convinced there will be) that can lower the model s price point from almost $98,000 down to $45,000 then yes
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on August 29, 2013, 10:52:04 PM
If that's the case, going to college is similar to gambling too, because you never know how much you'll earn with your degree. So is buying airplane tickets, maybe the price will go down right after you bought them. My point is, every decision a person makes can be similar to gambling if viewed under the same light.
Not right,
It might be hard sometimes to get a good job even with a degree but you can definitely struggle for it and achieve it, you can have a slow business and market it and see results, you can have a store where ppl wouldn't enter and just renovate it to attract ppl to it, bottom line... in every business if there's anything that keeps you from making money you can actually "do" something to fix it and make it better,

Unlikely when you buy stocks you can do absolutely NOTHING that the stock should go up, you can try your best speculating guessing and assuming which one would go up but there's nothing you can actually do.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: emptyhouse on August 29, 2013, 10:58:02 PM
if you think there will be major breakthroughs in battery technology(which Elon Musk is more than convinced there will be) that can lower the model s price point from almost $98,000 down to $45,000 then yes
If you buy the stock you are betting on Musk and not on Tesla. Tesla has not actually made much money from selling the cars, they made money by selling carbon offsets to other car manufactures. This is not sustainable.

Musk may be brilliant, which is why the stock is at it's current price.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Dan on August 29, 2013, 11:52:05 PM
if you think there will be major breakthroughs in battery technology(which Elon Musk is more than convinced there will be) that can lower the model s price point from almost $98,000 down to $45,000 then yes
"Tesla Chief Executive Elon Musk promises to offer within a few years an electric car that sells for $35,000."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324324404579041053302585062.html
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ergel on August 29, 2013, 11:54:23 PM
"Tesla Chief Executive Elon Musk promises to offer within a few years an electric car that sells for $35,000."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324324404579041053302585062.html
I'll believe it when I see it
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on August 30, 2013, 12:00:33 AM
If you buy the stock you are betting on Musk and not on Tesla. Tesla has not actually made much money from selling the cars, they made money by selling carbon offsets to other car manufactures. This is not sustainable.

Musk may be brilliant, which is why the stock is at it's current price.

He's got the golden touch. Between him and Peter Thiel, I wonder whose hands are more golden...
A little OT, does anyone know if he's Jewish?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Dave321 on August 30, 2013, 12:01:09 AM
"Tesla Chief Executive Elon Musk promises to offer within a few years an electric car that sells for $35,000."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324324404579041053302585062.html

If the Dem's stay in power, I am sure Tesla has a lot of stimulus money coming their way....
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: emptyhouse on August 30, 2013, 02:35:43 AM
He's got the golden touch. Between him and Peter Thiel, I wonder whose hands are more golden...
A little OT, does anyone know if he's Jewish?
"the higher you get the farther you fall"
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on September 18, 2013, 02:17:15 PM
Nice shot! (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/19/ydu9yby8.jpg)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on September 18, 2013, 04:11:59 PM
Nice shot! (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/19/ydu9yby8.jpg)

An inaccurate shot IMO. And yes, my stocks also went higher today.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mark F on September 24, 2013, 07:39:42 PM
Anyone have any opinions on BlackBerry (BBRY) now that they have an offer? Does it have a chance?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: aygart on September 24, 2013, 07:55:25 PM
Anyone have any opinions on BlackBerry (BBRY) now that they have an offer? Does it have a chance?
The fundamentals don't change just because there is a buyout offer. I doubt there well be a bidding war. Depending on the price and the buyout offer you may be able to arbitrage a bit there.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Dave321 on October 03, 2013, 09:55:10 AM
Any thoughts on TSLA ?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ergel on October 03, 2013, 09:59:25 AM
Any thoughts on TSLA ?
A buy six months ago
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on October 03, 2013, 10:15:25 AM
A buy six months ago
How can you predict that good? ;)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ergel on October 03, 2013, 10:25:31 AM
How can you predict that good? ;)
That's why I'm a millionaire
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Yeki89 on October 03, 2013, 11:41:31 AM
IMHO TGT would be a nice option now for a short term gain. its down $10.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: stmark on October 03, 2013, 01:01:29 PM
Im not a fan of that reasoning to buy something.

I read this earlier: Target Corp. Given a $64.00 Price Target by Deutsche Bank Analysts (TGT).

The stock I am looking at right now is CP (Canadian Pacific Railway) I read a price target of 155 on it and its trading in the low 120's today.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mark F on October 04, 2013, 11:15:34 AM
Is PBPB a buy? They just went public today.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: AsherO on October 04, 2013, 11:48:29 AM
Is PBPB a buy? They just went public today.

Looks like the clincher was getting in pre-IPO... I think the question is: Should it be shorted for when people take profit and it gets back to real valuation?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mark F on October 04, 2013, 11:58:11 AM
How do you buy pre-IPO?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on October 04, 2013, 01:12:06 PM
How do you buy pre-IPO?

You ask your wealth advisor :)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mark F on October 04, 2013, 04:10:42 PM
I am  :P
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on October 04, 2013, 05:04:00 PM
I am  :P

I'm pretty sure you can only get access from one of the underwriting companies like MS, GS, JP Morgan, Citigroup, etc. that offer it to their wealthy clients.

It's worth to note that the IPO system is "rigged" against private investors. If its a hot deal, the banks load themselves up before it hits the market, leaving nothing for private investors. While if it's not so hot or its a bad deal (see Facebook), the banks still wanna get their commission, so they push the IPO on their clients.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on October 18, 2013, 08:15:27 AM
Does anyone know why GOOG is up 9% (!) in pre market?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: menachem_m on October 18, 2013, 08:18:00 AM
No clue if related, but they accidentally leaked pics of nexus 5 yesterday, and price was higher than expected.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: dealvr on October 18, 2013, 09:01:56 AM
Does anyone know why GOOG is up 9% (!) in pre market?
Excellent earnings report
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mark F on October 18, 2013, 09:02:20 AM
Q3 Earnings report is higher then expected
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: puddles on October 18, 2013, 09:17:19 AM
Does anyone know why GOOG is up 9% (!) in pre market?
Really? if your looking at a stock pre-market I would think you know why its up that much
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ergel on October 18, 2013, 09:23:29 AM
Really? if your looking at a stock pre-market I would think you know why its up that much
+1 an odd combination
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on October 18, 2013, 09:25:49 AM
+1 an odd combination

You don't to be an expert to view the premarket price. So it is no different than asking why Goog went up during market hours. 
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ergel on October 18, 2013, 09:28:02 AM
You don't to be an expert to view the premarket price. So it is no different than asking why Goog went up during market hours.
Any place where your viewing premarket prices should have articles right under with current news which surely should mention this
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 18, 2013, 09:32:49 AM
How do you buy pre-IPO?
You buy shares directly from the company or from an investment vehicle that owns shares.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on October 18, 2013, 09:39:15 AM
Really? if your looking at a stock pre-market I would think you know why its up that much
I usually get my news from marketwatch and I didn't remember getting anything about Google going up ( nor that they're reporting now their earnings ) so it was interesting to me.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on October 18, 2013, 10:06:47 AM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/10/18/teje2e7e.jpg)
!מזל טוב
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: wierdal832 on October 18, 2013, 10:13:44 AM


It's worth to note that the IPO system is "rigged" against private investors. If its a hot deal, the banks load themselves up before it hits the market, leaving nothing for private investors. While if it's not so hot or its a bad deal (see Facebook), the banks still wanna get their commission, so they push the IPO on their clients.
very wrong
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on October 18, 2013, 10:56:17 AM
very wrong

How's that?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: wierdal832 on October 18, 2013, 11:02:07 AM
How's that?
The underwriter aren't allowed to keep any stock. They have to give it out to clients
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Kvending on October 18, 2013, 11:04:44 AM
The underwriter aren't allowed to keep any stock. They have to give it out to clients

C'mon. The underwriters family, friends, etc... Don't act dumb.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: puddles on October 18, 2013, 11:06:18 AM
You buy shares directly from the company or from an investment vehicle that owns shares.
+1. If you are asking that question, you are probably not getting in on an IPO :)
there are funds like SVVC that own shares in private companies like Twitter that they are hopeful will go public. SVVC is a close ended Mutual fund that trades above its current NAV.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: wierdal832 on October 18, 2013, 11:16:32 AM
C'mon. The underwriters family, friends, etc... Don't act dumb.
theres compliance and yearly reviews of accounts, giving to family and friends wouldn't last long IMO
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: dealvr on October 18, 2013, 11:46:44 AM
theres compliance and yearly reviews of accounts, giving to family and friends wouldn't last long IMO
I trust weirdal when it comes to IPOs.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yomo on October 18, 2013, 03:14:01 PM
How do you buy pre-IPO?

BTW, what IPO did you want?
Was it veeva systems?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on October 18, 2013, 05:14:34 PM
How do you buy pre-IPO?

Invest in a private company before it goes public.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yomo on October 20, 2013, 12:17:35 AM
No, I'm referring to buying it at the set and are determined IPO price
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on October 20, 2013, 01:33:09 PM
You ask your wealth advisor :)

No, I'm referring to buying it at the set and are determined IPO price
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on October 28, 2013, 12:51:44 PM
is LNKD or FB a buy today? they are  reporting Q3 earnings this week...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: hertzinstl on October 28, 2013, 01:03:51 PM
How about BA (boeing)?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: dealvr on October 30, 2013, 06:18:02 PM
Anyone else watching this crazy AH move in FB?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: jaywhy on October 30, 2013, 07:20:22 PM
Anyone else betting on the casino gaming referendum in the Catskills?
Empire Resorts (NYNY), one of the big players, is up almost 50% since Monday.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on November 03, 2013, 01:19:08 AM
No, I'm referring to buying it at the set and are determined IPO price

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2013/11/02/3-ways-to-buy-twitter-before-the-ipo/3357695/
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eli1571 on November 03, 2013, 06:05:59 AM
If you want to buy one and just hold it etrade (http://www.etrade.com) has a first time deal, 100 free trades and after its $12.99 per trade
TdAmeritrade (http://www.tdameritrade.com) charges $10 per trade


doesnt show as free trading says 9.99 per trade
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: jaywhy on November 04, 2013, 12:49:51 PM
Anyone else betting on the casino gaming referendum in the Catskills?
Empire Resorts (NYNY), one of the big players, is up almost 50% since Monday.
http://stream.wsj.com/story/latest-headlines/SS-2-63399/SS-2-372085/ (http://stream.wsj.com/story/latest-headlines/SS-2-63399/SS-2-372085/)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: good sam on November 04, 2013, 01:03:40 PM
Anyone have any opinions on BlackBerry (BBRY) now that they have an offer? Does it have a chance?
Something funny going on with BBRY.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ergel on November 04, 2013, 01:16:10 PM
Something funny going on with BBRY.
Deal to sell fell through. Issuing 20% more stock
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eli1571 on November 05, 2013, 09:20:14 AM
any trading accounts that can be funded by credit card ?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Am on November 05, 2013, 09:35:20 AM
any trading accounts that can be funded by credit card ?
is that illegal?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: benellis7 on November 05, 2013, 04:08:42 PM
nope
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: good sam on November 05, 2013, 05:16:39 PM
anyone following tsla?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Am on November 05, 2013, 08:37:24 PM
nope
is that because regulation T only applies when the brokerage is the one extending the credit? Why would that be?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eli1571 on November 06, 2013, 04:37:59 AM
is that illegal?
y would it be illegal ?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: jaywhy on November 06, 2013, 04:43:31 AM
http://stream.wsj.com/story/latest-headlines/SS-2-63399/SS-2-372085/ (http://stream.wsj.com/story/latest-headlines/SS-2-63399/SS-2-372085/)
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/06/nyregion/referendum-to-expand-casino-gambling-in-new-york-is-approved.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/06/nyregion/referendum-to-expand-casino-gambling-in-new-york-is-approved.html?_r=0)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eli1571 on November 06, 2013, 04:54:29 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/06/nyregion/referendum-to-expand-casino-gambling-in-new-york-is-approved.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/06/nyregion/referendum-to-expand-casino-gambling-in-new-york-is-approved.html?_r=0)
guess that makes it worth getting some shares there.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: jaywhy on November 06, 2013, 09:17:30 AM
guess that makes it worth getting some shares there.
My guess is that there will be a big surge today. NYNY is the ticker.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: jaywhy on November 06, 2013, 09:49:11 AM
My guess is that there will be a big surge today. NYNY is the ticker.
Up over 40% already.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: raphy781 on November 06, 2013, 09:55:32 AM
My guess is that there will be a big surge today. NYNY is the ticker.
Is that the only company opening casinos in NY?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: jaywhy on November 06, 2013, 10:10:24 AM
Is that the only company opening casinos in NY?
There are a number of companies vying for a casino license in upstate NY. NYNY is one of the front runners to get the license as they already operate the Monticello Raceway and have a 600 acre site at the old Concord hotel that is ready for development.
They are mostly owned by the same billionaire Malaysians who own the Aqueduct casino in Queens.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eli1571 on November 06, 2013, 01:54:23 PM
Up over 40% already.
back down, peaked at 8.60 and then for some odd reason dropped lower than opening price.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: jaywhy on November 06, 2013, 04:06:08 PM
back down, peaked at 8.60 and then for some odd reason dropped lower than opening price.
Yeah. Chase held up my wire transfer so I couldn't take full advantage of that first peak. I'm betting on another one soon though.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on November 06, 2013, 08:17:07 PM
I'm happy to report that the my last 3 recent purchases are all doing well. All are easily beating the market.

AAPL @ 425 22%
MSFT @ 31  20%
ALK  @ 72  26%
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: dealvr on November 07, 2013, 09:18:23 AM
JCP has been trading like a penny stock.
Lots of opportunity.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on November 07, 2013, 09:57:44 AM
Short of a miracle, there's no reason why jcp should be anything more than a penny stock.

Their numbers are absolutely atrocious, and their problems are way beyond that. They are firmly entrenched in bad management, the only reason to invest is if you see some value in a buyout/takeover.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Yeki89 on November 07, 2013, 10:24:48 AM
Short of a miracle, there's no reason why jcp should be anything more than a penny stock.

Their numbers are absolutely atrocious, and their problems are way beyond that. They are firmly entrenched in bad management, the only reason to invest is if you see some value in a buyout/takeover.
+1, I would stay away.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on November 07, 2013, 11:47:41 AM
+1, I would stay away.

i disagree , they are on their way up!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eli1571 on November 07, 2013, 12:12:44 PM
NYNY is going lower and lower can anyone explain why if they got the approval they needed ?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: dealvr on November 07, 2013, 12:15:20 PM
i disagree , they are on their way up!
+1.
Above $10 by 12/31

It is more than a retail play, it's also a real estate play.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on November 07, 2013, 12:21:09 PM
+1.
Above $10 by 12/31

It is more than a retail play, it's also a real estate play.

+1
why not 12? LOL
im actually buying more!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on November 07, 2013, 12:22:17 PM
NYNY is going lower and lower can anyone explain why if they got the approval they needed ?

It only got approved this week, the next time they will benefit from this vote will be in 7yrs when they report earnings...
you can see there wont be too much of a volume on this stock now for a looong while
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: jaywhy on November 07, 2013, 12:24:54 PM
NYNY is going lower and lower can anyone explain why if they got the approval they needed ?
They need to get one of the licenses that will be given out. I believe within 90 days.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: jaywhy on November 07, 2013, 12:25:19 PM
It only got approved this week, the next time they will benefit from this vote will be in 7yrs when they report earnings...
you can see there wont be too much of a volume on this stock now for a looong while
-1
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on November 07, 2013, 01:08:49 PM
+1.
Above $10 by 12/31

It is more than a retail play, it's also a real estate play.

And how much real restate do they have already? The past time I looked at their assets it wasn't high enough for an asset play. Especially since they continually rack up major losses each quarter, their total assets are plummeting along with it.

Eta: Just looked up their numbers. 2.32b in total equity compared to 2.5b market cap. Their total equity shrunk from 3.6b to 2.3 in the last 5 quarters. They lost in the past 3 quarters alone nearly 1.5b.

With little positive upside and a lot of downside risk, I see no reason to invest in them unless you see a soon buyout/takeover as highly probable.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Dan on November 07, 2013, 10:14:37 PM
it's also a real estate play.
Considering the location of most of their stores...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on November 08, 2013, 10:32:45 AM
I currently hold 10% of my portfollio with NOKIA.

Anyone care to share their opinion ?
I believe they can reach $15-$20 by 2014
Read the below link and let me know,

 
Will This Company Grab Nokia's Phone Business From Microsoft?

http://www.google.com/gwt/x?u=http://seekingalpha.com/article/1819782-will-this-company-grab-nokias-phone-business-from-microsoft%3Fsource%3Dgoogle_news&ei=ngN9UpunA8TjmQeZq4GQDw&wsc=vb&ct=pg1&whp=30


Or maybe its time to buy Microsoft as they are getting Nokia at a bargain??
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mark F on November 08, 2013, 10:45:52 AM
I'm thinking its time to pull out of BBRY - is that a good idea? Where would you recommend I buy into?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on November 08, 2013, 10:49:50 AM
I'm thinking its time to pull out of BBRY - is that a good idea? Where would you recommend I buy into?

Im liking yhoo and fb
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mark F on November 08, 2013, 11:00:27 AM
I would prefer cheaper stocks
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on November 08, 2013, 11:12:56 AM
There's some profit to be made in SODA. Though I'm personally waiting till it hits 50.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mark F on November 08, 2013, 11:14:43 AM
There's some profit to be made in SODA. Though I'm personally waiting till it hits 50.

Your expecting it to go down to $50?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on November 08, 2013, 11:30:34 AM
GRPN,
Might be worth buying some shares until they report Q4 earnings in february .
i personally have some shares and i do recommend buying some for 3-6  months...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mark F on November 08, 2013, 11:41:52 AM
im no liking GRPN based on the last few months... it's not rising steadily.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on November 08, 2013, 11:43:30 AM
Your expecting it to go down to $50?

No, I'm hoping it does...
Should've picked up at $51-$52 range
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: good sam on November 09, 2013, 10:47:24 PM
I'm thinking its time to pull out of BBRY - is that a good idea? Where would you recommend I buy into?
Was in BBRY a long time until about a week and a half ago- thankfully before the major announcement which was a nice change of pace for me- stocks usually balloon after I sell (sold FB at 42 :-[).

So yes, I was holding out hope for a while but I think the time has come.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: raphy781 on November 11, 2013, 04:58:28 PM
Who said they thought crus was a buy???
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ckmk47 on November 12, 2013, 12:31:51 AM
PODD.  insulet corp.  Makes insulin pumps.  Hasn't made a profit yet.  Two companies are coming on the market with new insulin pumps in the next year.  (Barons)
I'm looking into buying a long term put.  last they've got is jun 2014
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Menachem613 on November 12, 2013, 08:41:08 PM
I would prefer cheaper stocks

How do you determine whether a stock is cheap?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mark F on November 12, 2013, 08:47:46 PM
Low priced.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Menachem613 on November 12, 2013, 08:57:56 PM
Low priced.

How does that make it cheap?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: raphy781 on November 12, 2013, 09:35:02 PM
How does that make it cheap?
I think he was looking for a stock with a lower share price which would enable him to buy a larger quantity of shares. I don't think he meant it the way you're understanding it.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: smart brit on November 12, 2013, 10:37:57 PM
Who said they thought crus was a buy???
I thought so!
Yup they peaked @$25 from when I recommend it.
A quick 20% in the green!
But I'm hesitant to buy now again
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on November 13, 2013, 01:53:37 AM
A "low priced" stock, is a stock that is cheaper than what you determine its value to be.

The value can determined based on many factors including p/e ratios, price to book, expected earnings growth, dividend yields, cash buybacks, etc. The real value of a stock will always be up for debate, so ask someone knowledgeable that you trust.

So if I see AAPL at $400 and take a look at the appropriate numbers and think the stock is worth at least $5-600, it is low priced.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on November 13, 2013, 09:28:31 PM
anyone up for a gamble?
EGLE reported this afternoon earnings, they dropped 13% after hours, tomorrow they have a conference call...
might calm the investors...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on November 14, 2013, 09:48:04 AM
anyone up for a gamble?
EGLE reported this afternoon earnings, they dropped 13% after hours, tomorrow they have a conference call...
might calm the investors...
-24.36%
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on November 14, 2013, 09:57:33 AM
If not for the gamblers, how would the rest of us make money :)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Yeki89 on November 18, 2013, 10:54:06 AM
S is on the rise
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: dealvr on November 18, 2013, 12:59:10 PM
TSLA getting hammered
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on November 20, 2013, 08:33:06 AM
JCP SURGING!!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: shlaros228 on November 21, 2013, 03:46:09 PM
as they say:

when your portfolio is up your a genius and when its down, its bad luck
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ergel on November 22, 2013, 12:38:56 PM
CMG ready for a pullback?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: smart brit on November 22, 2013, 02:59:42 PM
as they say:

when your portfolio is up your a genius and when its down, its Gambling!
FTFY
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on November 23, 2013, 07:03:42 PM
CMG ready for a pullback?

the whole market is ready for a pullback
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ckmk47 on November 23, 2013, 09:08:05 PM
the whole market is ready for a pullback
Look for volatile, market sensitive companies.
See of they have puts for 6, 9 months out that are cheap. 
Cheap  means that the current price - put strike price = the put premium(price) 
buy.   
wait for market to drop/ dip. 
if stock price drops too, put price goes up.
sell.
do not wait until expiration.  do not be a chazzer.  take your profits and go on.
don't look back at what you could have made if you waited longer.  becasue you forget to look back and notice what you would have lost  if you would have waited longer
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on November 27, 2013, 11:45:59 AM
+1.
Above $10 by 12/31

It is more than a retail play, it's also a real estate play.

+1000
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Kvending on November 29, 2013, 09:20:58 AM
anyone up for a gamble?
EGLE reported this afternoon earnings, they dropped 13% after hours, tomorrow they have a conference call...
might calm the investors...

You were so on The money.I wish I would've listened to you. In just 2 weeks up over 30% from when you said try & gamble.

MAN.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on November 29, 2013, 12:16:18 PM
still up for a penny stock gamble? can you spare 100-200 dollars, buy some ACLP.
BIG ANNOUNCEMENT COMING UP...

Still not too late to buy some JCP and NOK im up 30% in the past month...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: menachem_m on November 30, 2013, 09:57:28 PM
still up for a penny stock gamble? can you spare 100-200 dollars, buy some ACLP.
BIG ANNOUNCEMENT COMING UP...
Down 15%.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eli1571 on December 01, 2013, 09:18:10 AM
Down 15%.
i dont know if u should call that 15% they're basically down to 0
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on December 01, 2013, 10:28:01 AM
Down 15%.

its not considered down... if you buy this stock you obviously not hoping to double but to wait a month or two when they go x100 x200 or even x1000
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mark F on December 01, 2013, 09:30:48 PM
looking to buy stocks this week... any good ideas what to buy in to?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: dealvr on December 01, 2013, 11:13:30 PM
I'm no analyst but AAPL still seems pretty cheap to me.  Can easily hit 6 within 2-3 months.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mark F on December 01, 2013, 11:27:56 PM
im looking to invest in stocks price range $5-15
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ckmk47 on December 02, 2013, 03:35:57 AM
im looking to invest in stocks price range $5-15
IMO, wrong way to say your price range. 
What is the total you want to invest in one stock?

an example: A $5000 investment in a $12 stock has you buying 400 stocks.  If it goes up $3 each.  Great. Now your investment is worth $6000.

A $5000 investment in a $75 stock has you buying  65 stocks.  An odd number, but easy to order and own with an on line broker.  If it goes up by the same percentage as example 1,  it goes up $18.  New total $6045   Same profit approximately.

So the price of the individual stock is less relevant than the total amount you're investing in one company. 
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mark F on December 02, 2013, 09:28:08 AM
I'm investing a small amount of money. Few hundred dollars
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: dealvr on December 02, 2013, 09:41:28 AM
I'm investing a small amount of money. Few hundred dollars
With transaction fees you will prob ending up losing money.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Am on December 02, 2013, 09:48:51 AM
With transaction fees you will prob ending up losing money.
not if he is investing longer term
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yos9694 on December 02, 2013, 02:51:37 PM
Love to get some thoughts from this group on the Hilton IPO. I don't want to violate any forum rules or I'd have put this question out in the "On The Road" section to get more eyes that are familiar with hotels.

I like IPOs (especially this year's) and there are a lot of positives about Hilton right now (restructured debt, solid income statement, good leadership). Blackstone is holding on to their shares, which says something even if you don't know much about the company. But I wonder if the valuation is too high- is Hilton worth more than Starwood or Marriott (@ $14B market cap each)? The offer range translates into $20B - $24B market cap.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-02/hilton-seeks-as-much-as-2-4-billion-in-biggest-ever-hotel-ipo.html
(Note, the article has some fuzzy math so if you want to make sure your numbers are right you need to check the prospectus)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eli1571 on December 04, 2013, 09:46:36 AM
With transaction fees you will prob ending up losing money.
not necessarily, i'm not an analyst but AAMRQ (american airlines) is down to 10.8 will prob go back up
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Yeki89 on December 04, 2013, 10:18:54 AM
im looking to invest in stocks price range $5-15
Try S they have been up as of late, I was eyeballing them about a year now. I have seen then grow from under $6.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: good sam on December 04, 2013, 11:17:36 AM
I'm investing a small amount of money. Few hundred dollars
Mark, stocks go up proportionately.  If a stock goes up 5%, you make 5% on your investment.  It doesn't matter whether you have 1 share or 5000 shares. (And don't tell me lower prices have more volatility.  It's not true.)

So you shouldn't consider stock price, just value.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: good sam on December 04, 2013, 11:18:31 AM
With transaction fees you will prob ending up losing money.
Nah, you can use online brokerages for $5-7 per trade.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: dealvr on December 04, 2013, 11:40:17 AM
Nah, you can use online brokerages for $5-7 per trade.
Assuming $6 on the buy and $6 on the sell is 4% of $300.
Returns must be greater than 4% per trade to not lose money.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ckmk47 on December 04, 2013, 12:46:09 PM
I'm investing a small amount of money. Few hundred dollars
I once owned 2 shares of Apple (AAPL). Total cost less than $900.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ckmk47 on December 04, 2013, 12:55:29 PM
Assuming $6 on the buy and $6 on the sell is 4% of $300.
Returns must be greater than 4% per trade to not lose money.
If it's a really small amount of money it probably doesn't belong in stocks unless you're keeping the stocks a long time.  For the long haul with a small amount of money you should consider index stocks.  They mimic the index and go up as the market goes up. (or down) and doesn't take stock expertise to investigate.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: good sam on December 04, 2013, 01:36:35 PM
If it's a really small amount of money it probably doesn't belong in stocks unless you're keeping the stocks a long time.  For the long haul with a small amount of money you should consider index stocks.  They mimic the index and go up as the market goes up. (or down) and doesn't take stock expertise to investigate.
Unless he's looking to assume some risk on this small amount of money and invest in highly volatile, high risk stock, with the potential to make a quick 10-15% gain.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mark F on December 04, 2013, 02:14:18 PM
Unless he's looking to assume some risk on this small amount of money and invest in highly volatile, high risk stock, with the potential to make a quick 10-15% gain.

What would be a stock like that?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on December 04, 2013, 02:15:04 PM
What would be a stock like that?
Penny stock.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ckmk47 on December 04, 2013, 03:13:45 PM
With only a few hundred dollars to invest, the stock market may not be the place.  DD main has an idea for the Xbox resale.  stuff like that may be more worthwhile with more time than money.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mark F on December 04, 2013, 03:42:34 PM
I will barely make $ if I buy that to resell. $499 + tax and then ebay fees and shipping to buyer
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ckmk47 on December 04, 2013, 03:48:56 PM
$500 + $50 tax + $50 ship + $50 ebay = $650 expense.

sell price $700.  50 profit /650 expense  =  7.6%

What fantasy so you have that you'll make on stocks in 2 weeks with less than 5 hours of work?

Do you think researching stocks intelligently doesn't take time and effort? Or would you rather  just listen to every hot tip at the mikva?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mark F on December 04, 2013, 03:51:18 PM
$500 + $50 tax + $50 ship + $50 ebay = $650 expense.

sell price $700.  50 profit /650 expense  =  7.6%

What fantasy so you have that you'll make on stocks in 2 weeks with less than 5 hours of work?

Do you think researching stocks intelligently doesn't take time and effort? Or would you rather  just listen to every hot tip at the mikva?

ebay and paypal fees are around $90 if I sell it for $700 and seems like it will be hard to get more then $650
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eli1571 on December 04, 2013, 04:58:55 PM
Penny stock.
+1. the way to go
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: good sam on December 04, 2013, 05:05:02 PM
What would be a stock like that?
buy 2-3 shares of tsla. Sure to have a quick loss or gain there.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Am on December 04, 2013, 05:51:38 PM
ebay and paypal fees are around $90 if I sell it for $700 and seems like it will be hard to get more then $650
you're worried about xboxes on eBay going down $50 but you want to invest in the stock market?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yos9694 on December 05, 2013, 12:32:01 PM
buy 2-3 shares of tsla. Sure to have a quick loss or gain there.

Better off buying a Bitcoin if you want maximum volatility.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on December 05, 2013, 01:28:06 PM
Finally sold my TWTR shares without a lose,
Bought at $45 the day they went public, sold today at $45.50.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on December 05, 2013, 01:31:49 PM
sold my JCP on monday with 30% profit ...
it fell 14% since...  ;)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: stmark on December 05, 2013, 01:47:45 PM
you buying it back in a few days? (JCP)

what do people think of RAD- Rite Aid?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: good sam on December 05, 2013, 01:50:26 PM
Finally sold my TWTR shares without a lose,
Bought at $45 the day they went public, sold today at $45.50.
Why?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on December 05, 2013, 01:52:15 PM
Why?
I don't have fc's guts (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=205.msg653076.msg#653076) ;)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on December 05, 2013, 02:00:53 PM
what do people think of RAD- Rite Aid?

Been watching it for a bit. Just bought today.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on December 05, 2013, 02:01:09 PM
i dont think twtr is the right stock to play with,im holding on to my yhoo that i own at 28.05.
i just added some more NOK, im holding on to it for a while.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on December 05, 2013, 02:04:06 PM
i dont think twtr is the right stock to play with,
If by saying right you mean safe then I agree with you, but If you're playing with JCP then what's wrong with TWTR?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: stmark on December 05, 2013, 02:07:36 PM
I am of the opinion that buying either JCP or TWTR would be more on the gambling side and less on the investing side of things.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on December 05, 2013, 02:11:24 PM
At the time of buying JCP i believed in their recovery and thought it would be a 6 month buy, i wanted to hold on until feb when they report Q4 sales. for some reason over the weekend i had this feeling that they didnt do well on BF sales (which i was right) so i decided it was time to cash out...

Learned my lesson from NFLX.
Dont be greedy! pulling some profits is better then none...
owned Nflx at 309 and had a sell order at 395 afterhours earnings brought it up to 389 opened next morning at 322...thats where i cashed out...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on December 06, 2013, 02:57:55 PM
Better off buying a Bitcoin if you want maximum volatility.
Bitcoin price plunges on Baidu payment ban (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/bitcoin-price-plunges-on-baidu-payment-ban-2013-12-06?mod=latestnews&link=sfmw).
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Kvending on December 09, 2013, 09:24:53 AM
We should've bought Sysco on Friday.
Ticker- SYY

Man, I'm frustrated!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on December 09, 2013, 03:08:24 PM
Finally sold my TWTR shares without a lose,
Bought at $45 the day they went public, sold today at $45.50.

I am of the opinion that buying either JCP or TWTR would be more on the gambling side and less on the investing side of things.


Killing yourself?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: good sam on December 09, 2013, 04:17:19 PM
We should've bought Sysco on Friday.
Ticker- SYY

Man, I'm frustrated!
You get frustrated every time a stock pops? You must have a difficult life!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on December 09, 2013, 04:33:49 PM

Killing yourself?
I'm considering it... :-[

To be honest, not at all!
Have this been something I could have predict from beforehand with some research and I didn't then it would have been upsetting, being that I can't tell future (as of now) I think I didn't do a stupid move therefore I don't regret what I did,
Rather be safe than sorry..
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on December 09, 2013, 04:36:14 PM
We should've bought Sysco on Friday.
Ticker- SYY

Man, I'm frustrated!


You get frustrated every time a stock pops? You must have a difficult life!
+A bunch

I can send you every morning a list which will frustrate you up to the sky.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: aj26 on December 09, 2013, 05:46:37 PM
can some one explain how aamrq shares and lcc shares will be converted to aal?
What prices are used when this happens?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on December 09, 2013, 06:28:37 PM
market value dilution, for example if you have 3000 dollars in $5 stock (600stocks) you will keep the same value if it becomes a $10 stock, just half the amount of stocks, in this case 300
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eli1571 on December 10, 2013, 01:47:41 PM
can some one explain how aamrq shares and lcc shares will be converted to aal?
What prices are used when this happens?
every aamrq share will become .06 of an aal so about 70 shares of aamrq will be 5 aal. which is giving you about .40 mfor the aamrq share when the last close was at 11.39.
i'm sure we'll be seeing a lawsuit against that.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yos9694 on December 10, 2013, 02:59:58 PM
every aamrq share will become .06 of an aal so about 70 shares of aamrq will be 5 aal. which is giving you about .40 mfor the aamrq share when the last close was at 11.39.
i'm sure we'll be seeing a lawsuit against that.

No you won't. People who bought AAMRQ mostly didn't know what they were buying, and will probably get burned. No one will pay them for their investing mistake. The way that stock price moved it seemed like people thought its value was based on American Airlines coming out of bankruptcy as an airline. They were dead wrong, and I said so all along. I think the pre-bankruptcy shareholders are lucky to be getting anything at all, and certainly no one owes them anything equivalent to the over-hyped speculative values that we saw in the past few months. A value of $1-$2 per share is better than most bankrupt owners usually get.

Those who were in and got out had a good run. I feel sorry for everyone who didn't get out in time. And for those who didn't jump in to at all because they didn't understand what AAMRQ was, good for you.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eli1571 on December 11, 2013, 09:19:49 AM
No you won't. People who bought AAMRQ mostly didn't know what they were buying, and will probably get burned. No one will pay them for their investing mistake. The way that stock price moved it seemed like people thought its value was based on American Airlines coming out of bankruptcy as an airline. They were dead wrong, and I said so all along. I think the pre-bankruptcy shareholders are lucky to be getting anything at all, and certainly no one owes them anything equivalent to the over-hyped speculative values that we saw in the past few months. A value of $1-$2 per share is better than most bankrupt owners usually get.

Those who were in and got out had a good run. I feel sorry for everyone who didn't get out in time. And for those who didn't jump in to at all because they didn't understand what AAMRQ was, good for you.
i beg to disagree, had they actually gone bankrupt u would be right but since they merged their shares should also join at full rate. on AA's site they say they will re'evaluate the price of AAL shares at day 30 60 90 and 120 and might give some more to all previous AAMRQ share holders
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yos9694 on December 11, 2013, 09:32:07 AM
i beg to disagree, had they actually gone bankrupt u would be right but since they merged their shares should also join at full rate. on AA's site they say they will re'evaluate the price of AAL shares at day 30 60 90 and 120 and might give some more to all previous AAMRQ share holders

Maybe I need to get reading glasses, but did you just imply that AMR did not go bankrupt? Upon emerging from bankruptcy anything goes. If they had liquidated instead of emerging chances are shareholders would have gotten even less. I'm not understanding what basis shareholders have for a lawsuit, this is actually a wonderful outcome for them (keeping aside how individual traders may have done based on their entry/exit points).
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Davidp on December 11, 2013, 04:08:05 PM
Guys, check out Cameco (ticker CCJ) it's one of the biggest uranium mining companies in the world and is in a clear path up. The uranium business is picking up tremendously after the Japanese disaster and I believe it's a great stock. Let me know your thoughts.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: aryeh1 on December 12, 2013, 12:31:08 AM
shouldn't apple be going up as they have now a contract in china?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mark F on December 12, 2013, 12:37:46 AM
Is Hilton a buy?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on December 12, 2013, 12:42:31 AM
Is Hilton a buy?
Its a stay ;)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: MAJ on December 12, 2013, 07:25:49 AM
shouldn't apple be going up as they have now a contract in china?
most people expected this to happen, so it was pretty much already included in the price
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ergel on December 12, 2013, 07:53:31 AM
most people expected this to happen, so it was pretty much already included in the price
+1 aapl reacts to rumors more than to actual news
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: puddles on December 12, 2013, 08:55:24 AM
shouldn't apple be going up as they have now a contract in china?
already priced into the stock.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: MAJ on December 12, 2013, 01:59:06 PM
anyone following whats happening to afsi today?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Davidp on December 12, 2013, 04:07:20 PM
Tesla is very strong today!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Am on December 12, 2013, 04:17:54 PM
anyone following whats happening to afsi today?
geoinvesting, the website that correctly predicted the fall of YUII due to questionable accounting practices released a statement questioning AFSI's accounting practices
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: bubble347 on December 12, 2013, 11:51:48 PM
anyone following whats happening to afsi today?
One major  share holder purchased 6 million+ in shares today to show their confidence.
http://tickerreport.com/banking-finance/89670/amtrust-financial-services-major-shareholder-leah-karfunkel-buys-209772-shares-afsi/ 
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eli1571 on December 13, 2013, 05:04:29 AM
any recommendations for good penny stocks ?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on December 13, 2013, 08:29:51 AM
check out ETAK
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yos9694 on December 13, 2013, 08:35:43 AM
One major  share holder purchased 6 million+ in shares today to show their confidence.
http://tickerreport.com/banking-finance/89670/amtrust-financial-services-major-shareholder-leah-karfunkel-buys-209772-shares-afsi/

Yikes. "Unzerer" is a major shareholder? AFSI is a holding company for a personal piggy bank casualty insurance company with its accounting integrity in question. Deja, deja vu. Unfortunately, only one way this plays out comes to mind. Hashem yirachem.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on December 17, 2013, 02:58:53 PM
might be worth checking out OLIE
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on December 17, 2013, 03:23:45 PM
might be worth checking out OLIE
Whooooooo
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: peroneustertius on December 17, 2013, 04:20:12 PM
Anyone here trade options?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eli1571 on December 18, 2013, 04:55:59 AM
might be worth checking out OLIE
WOW. thats what i was lookiong for but before it shot up like that
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: MAJ on December 18, 2013, 07:43:40 AM
WOW. thats what i was lookiong for but before it shot up like that
lol arent we all
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ckmk47 on December 18, 2013, 10:14:40 AM
Anyone here trade options?
yea.  why?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on December 18, 2013, 11:27:15 AM
am i the only one that bought OLIE ?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on December 19, 2013, 01:07:49 PM
What are we buying today?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on December 19, 2013, 01:13:32 PM
am i the only one that bought OLIE ?
I hope so, why would you play with penny stocks ???
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on December 19, 2013, 01:16:42 PM
What are we buying today?
$GLD?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ergel on December 19, 2013, 08:30:42 PM
Very interesting


The new thing put out by Amazon.com (AMZN) a couple of days ago, is how it's setting up this new service called Pantry. Pantry is a service where Amazon.com provides you with a box and a weight limit, and you can use it to buy bulk grocery items. This service is supposed to bring the fight to Costco (COST).

The whole thing is deeply unrealistic

It's not that Amazon.com can't make it work. But people seem to be wildly unaware of just how uncompetitive Amazon.com is, when faced with Costco. Uncompetitive in terms of cost. Costco has cut cost to the bone, massively beyond anything Amazon.com can reach. This is entirely obvious to anyone familiar with the Profit & Loss statements of both companies. Here are just a couple of facts taken from these statements (last 12 months):

Amazon.com

Gross shipping costs are 10.5% of product sales (the category where this new program would fit in);
Fulfillment costs (pick, packing, paying and warehousing) are 11.3% of revenues (this includes both product sales and service revenues);
Technology costs plus marketing plus G&A are 14.2% of revenues.

Costco
All selling, general and administrative costs are 9.6% of revenues.
See the problem? Amazon.com has more than 3 times the selling, general and administrative costs of Costco. Just shipping the product out to the customers exceeds Costco's entire cost base. And the picking, packing, paying and warehousing the products also exceeds Costco's entire cost base. And technology plus marketing plus general and administrative costs also exceeds Costco's entire cost base.

The two companies' pictures are at extremes to each other

While Amazon.com trades for 1411 times past 12 months' earnings and 531 times 2013 earnings estimates, Costco trades for 25 times past 12 months' earnings estimates and 24 times FY2014 earnings estimates.

This valuation chasm is in place though it is obvious that Costco is a massive cost leader over Amazon.com, as seen previously. Thus, while Amazon.com will remain challenged to increase profitability, Costco will continue chugging along in its low-cost, decent-margin strategy.

It's thus evident that Costco is structurally sounder to Amazon and has nothing to fear from Amazon's possible entry into its market. Yet Costco - the superior company - trades cheaper both on a P/E basis as well as in absolute market capitalization. Costco is worth $51.5 billion, whereas Amazon.com towers at a massive $180 billion in spite of its earnings and cost challenges.

Conclusion

In short, Amazon.com has no chance of competing with Costco on cost. It might try convenience or something else, but in terms of cost Amazon.com is a world apart from Costco. There seems to be the feeling that online retailers are somehow most cost-efficient. They aren't. Sure, online retail might menace niche retailers due to concentrating demand from a wide area and from cost being less of a driver, but when it comes to general high-volume merchandise, online retail doesn't stand a chance.

There's a reason why general merchandise mail-order catalogs (Sears Catalog, Montgomery Ward) lost out to bricks & mortar retailers long ago, while niche catalogs survived. The reason is economics. The reason is cost.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Dan on December 19, 2013, 08:36:02 PM
Very interesting


The new thing put out by Amazon.com (AMZN) a couple of days ago, is how it's setting up this new service called Pantry. Pantry is a service where Amazon.com provides you with a box and a weight limit, and you can use it to buy bulk grocery items. This service is supposed to bring the fight to Costco (COST).

The whole thing is deeply unrealistic

It's not that Amazon.com can't make it work. But people seem to be wildly unaware of just how uncompetitive Amazon.com is, when faced with Costco. Uncompetitive in terms of cost. Costco has cut cost to the bone, massively beyond anything Amazon.com can reach. This is entirely obvious to anyone familiar with the Profit & Loss statements of both companies. Here are just a couple of facts taken from these statements (last 12 months):

Amazon.com

Gross shipping costs are 10.5% of product sales (the category where this new program would fit in);
Fulfillment costs (pick, packing, paying and warehousing) are 11.3% of revenues (this includes both product sales and service revenues);
Technology costs plus marketing plus G&A are 14.2% of revenues.

Costco
All selling, general and administrative costs are 9.6% of revenues.
See the problem? Amazon.com has more than 3 times the selling, general and administrative costs of Costco. Just shipping the product out to the customers exceeds Costco's entire cost base. And the picking, packing, paying and warehousing the products also exceeds Costco's entire cost base. And technology plus marketing plus general and administrative costs also exceeds Costco's entire cost base.

The two companies' pictures are at extremes to each other

While Amazon.com trades for 1411 times past 12 months' earnings and 531 times 2013 earnings estimates, Costco trades for 25 times past 12 months' earnings estimates and 24 times FY2014 earnings estimates.

This valuation chasm is in place though it is obvious that Costco is a massive cost leader over Amazon.com, as seen previously. Thus, while Amazon.com will remain challenged to increase profitability, Costco will continue chugging along in its low-cost, decent-margin strategy.

It's thus evident that Costco is structurally sounder to Amazon and has nothing to fear from Amazon's possible entry into its market. Yet Costco - the superior company - trades cheaper both on a P/E basis as well as in absolute market capitalization. Costco is worth $51.5 billion, whereas Amazon.com towers at a massive $180 billion in spite of its earnings and cost challenges.

Conclusion

In short, Amazon.com has no chance of competing with Costco on cost. It might try convenience or something else, but in terms of cost Amazon.com is a world apart from Costco. There seems to be the feeling that online retailers are somehow most cost-efficient. They aren't. Sure, online retail might menace niche retailers due to concentrating demand from a wide area and from cost being less of a driver, but when it comes to general high-volume merchandise, online retail doesn't stand a chance.

There's a reason why general merchandise mail-order catalogs (Sears Catalog, Montgomery Ward) lost out to bricks & mortar retailers long ago, while niche catalogs survived. The reason is economics. The reason is cost.
Meh. Amazon is cheaper than Costco for electronics and other items because they're perfectly happy with near-zero margins.
Why can't they compete in any other category?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: jj1000 on December 19, 2013, 08:39:05 PM
http://qz.com/157404/how-you-could-have-turned-1000-into-billions-of-dollars-by-perfectly-trading-the-sp-500-this-year/
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ergel on December 19, 2013, 08:42:38 PM
Meh. Amazon is cheaper than Costco for electronics and other items because they're perfectly happy with near-zero margins.
Why can't they compete in any other category?
The question is how is that sustainable
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ergel on December 19, 2013, 08:45:31 PM
http://qz.com/157404/how-you-could-have-turned-1000-into-billions-of-dollars-by-perfectly-trading-the-sp-500-this-year/
Dumbest. Article. Ever.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Yeki89 on December 19, 2013, 10:25:47 PM
Try S they have been up as of late, I was eyeballing them about a year now. I have seen then grow from under $6.
today they are over $9 over a $1 gain since this post.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eli1571 on December 20, 2013, 05:42:04 AM
am i the only one that bought OLIE ?
no. and prob still worth buying
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eli1571 on December 20, 2013, 05:43:23 AM
maybe worth looking in to HSCO being aquired by OLIE which usually makes price jump at least for a little while
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on December 20, 2013, 10:36:27 AM
http://qz.com/157404/how-you-could-have-turned-1000-into-billions-of-dollars-by-perfectly-trading-the-sp-500-this-year/

im pretty sure this was written by a homeless guy that once trading in stocks and lost all his money. hes probably blaming his stock broker...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on December 20, 2013, 10:57:24 AM
BBRY!!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on December 20, 2013, 11:14:39 AM
maybe worth looking in to HSCO being aquired by OLIE which usually makes price jump at least for a little while
why would OLIE a music industry company buy HSCO thats into light bulbs...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: dealvr on December 22, 2013, 07:26:31 PM
Excited to see what this China Mobile deal with do for AAPL
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on December 22, 2013, 07:37:17 PM
Excited to see what this China Mobile deal with do for AAPL
Let's hope for the best...!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nsamet on December 23, 2013, 07:07:40 AM
RAD is a good turnaround story. Obamacare, and their renovations to stores will pay off. Hopefully, we see $15 within 2-3 years.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: MAJ on December 23, 2013, 02:47:08 PM
RAD is a good turnaround story. Obamacare, and their renovations to stores will pay off. Hopefully, we see $15 within 2-3 years.
it doesnt scare you that the insiders have been dumping a lot of stock?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nsamet on December 23, 2013, 03:01:09 PM
No Doesn't scare me. Insiders sell for all kinds of reasons. Although, I am a big believer in following insider buys.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: MAJ on December 23, 2013, 03:03:28 PM
No Doesn't scare me. Insiders sell for all kinds of reasons. Although, I am a big believer in following insider buys.
ok tx for tip will look into it
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: menachem_m on December 25, 2013, 10:50:48 PM
New brokerage, offering $0 trades. There is a waiting list to get in the beta.
https://www.robinhood.io/?ref=PNGjs6
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Am on December 25, 2013, 11:01:10 PM
They are currently only registered and can therefore only have clients in California
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: menachem_m on December 25, 2013, 11:03:21 PM
They are currently only registered and can therefore only have clients in California
@robinhoodapp will be registering in all 50 states in early 2014.

You will anyway be in the line for a while, so you might as well sign up.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: stmark on December 26, 2013, 09:26:17 AM
Is the market closed or does it close early on 12/31- or is it a regular full day of trading?

Thank you.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on December 26, 2013, 09:39:49 AM
Is the market closed or does it close early on 12/31- or is it a regular full day of trading?

Thank you.
Regular. (http://www.nyx.com/holidays-and-hours/nyse)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on December 26, 2013, 12:43:55 PM
TWGP is an insurance company that took a huge hit after Sandy. they were $22 in June and now at $2.85
They are on their way up, it might be worth buying 1k shares.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Am on December 27, 2013, 12:08:45 AM
TWGP is an insurance company that took a huge hit after Sandy. they were $22 in June and now at $2.85
They are on their way up, it might be worth buying 1k shares.
what makes you say that?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eli1571 on December 30, 2013, 12:04:40 PM
TWGP is an insurance company that took a huge hit after Sandy. they were $22 in June and now at $2.85
They are on their way up, it might be worth buying 1k shares.
why 1k ?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on December 30, 2013, 12:28:29 PM
not too much not too little 8)  ...
its still not too late to get in
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: MAJ on December 30, 2013, 12:37:19 PM
nq!! morgan stanley believes in them
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on December 30, 2013, 12:49:03 PM
“Tower Group International, Ltd.” (NASDAQ:TWGP) is scheduled to be posting its Q3 quarterly earnings results after the market closes on Monday, December 30th.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: raphy781 on December 30, 2013, 01:56:26 PM
“Tower Group International, Ltd.” (NASDAQ:TWGP) is scheduled to be posting its Q3 quarterly earnings results after the market closes on Monday, December 30th.
Would you buy now, or wait untill after the earnings report?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Am on December 30, 2013, 02:02:10 PM
It's very risky to try to catch a falling knife
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on December 30, 2013, 02:39:07 PM
Would you buy now, or wait untill after the earnings report?

i bought this morning ...
It's very risky to try to catch a falling knife

risky and very rewarding...


this might be a mistake but thats just how i play this game
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Am on December 30, 2013, 03:27:57 PM
risky and very rewarding...

this might be a mistake but thats just how i play this game
Penny and high volatility stocks can be very rewarding investments but not without research and analysis, otherwise it's just slot machines of which you can also say "risky and very rewarding..."
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on December 30, 2013, 04:18:32 PM
Penny and high volatility stocks can be very rewarding investments but not without research and analysis, otherwise it's just slot machines of which you can also say "risky and very rewarding..."

i agree 100%.
TWGP is not a penny stock.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on December 31, 2013, 12:22:23 AM
why would OLIE a music industry company buy HSCO thats into light bulbs...
Maybe for the same reason GE owned NBC..
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Davidp on December 31, 2013, 01:25:23 AM

Maybe for the same reason GE owned NBC..
That just brought me back to the Jack Donaghy days... 😎 lol
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Davidp on December 31, 2013, 01:32:23 AM

TWGP is an insurance company that took a huge hit after Sandy. they were $22 in June and now at $2.85
They are on their way up, it might be worth buying 1k shares.
Why did it take until June for their stock to plummet? In other words, the stock fell significantly directly after Sandy, but the real plunge only happened in June..? Any explanation for this that I'm unaware of?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on December 31, 2013, 11:39:56 AM
maybe thats when they reported disappointing earnings...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nate on December 31, 2013, 04:30:31 PM
TWGP dropped because there was fraudulent accounting taking place. I guess you get what you pay for. I would however, like to pass along a good investment idea. O realty(REIT) has recently dropped from highs of 55 to 37. At 37 it is very attractively valued. it has a annual dividend of 5.6%. Analysts are predicting a big upswing in price in the next month. Buy O long.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: zh cohen on January 02, 2014, 09:56:14 AM
http://qz.com/157404/how-you-could-have-turned-1000-into-billions-of-dollars-by-perfectly-trading-the-sp-500-this-year/

http://www.snopes.com/humor/iftrue/insider.asp (http://www.snopes.com/humor/iftrue/insider.asp)

Did this guy have a print out of that article with him?  ;)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: MAJ on January 06, 2014, 07:31:42 AM
Afsi bought twgp
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: raphy781 on January 06, 2014, 09:47:43 AM
Afsi bought twgp
For $3 a share. Would there be a reason to hold onto the stock untill the summer? Won't it just hover around $3 untill then?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: avremie on January 06, 2014, 11:49:43 PM
Anyone has experience in index funds?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: @jack123 on January 07, 2014, 12:43:18 AM
Ya I have some... Looking for something specific?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: avremie on January 07, 2014, 01:31:02 AM
Which brokerage you using? do you buy directly from the firm?
I want to know if I should buy vanguard funds from them directly (they have annual $20 account fee) or do you buy from TDbank for example and (I think) you don't pay the $20 fee
How is it adding funds when using a broker do u pay fees every time
Thanx
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ckmk47 on January 07, 2014, 09:18:21 AM
Which brokerage you using? do you buy directly from the firm?
I want to know if I should buy vanguard funds from them directly (they have annual $20 account fee) or do you buy from TDbank for example and (I think) you don't pay the $20 fee
How is it adding funds when using a broker do u pay fees every time
Thanx
You can open an on line brokerage account. [ I use Tradeking. Only $5 a trade.] You can buy the indexes without being in a 'fund'.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: @jack123 on January 07, 2014, 01:22:23 PM
Which brokerage you using? do you buy directly from the firm?
I want to know if I should buy vanguard funds from them directly (they have annual $20 account fee) or do you buy from TDbank for example and (I think) you don't pay the $20 fee
How is it adding funds when using a broker do u pay fees every time
Thanx

i happen to use fidelity for that stuff, but vanguard is great. I believe that fee is waived if you agree to have electronic statments. Make a brokerage account there instead of a mutual fund account there and use there index ETFs, which often have even lower expense ratios than their mutual funds.
Transferring funds is generally free with ACH transfer but it takes a few days, as opposed to wire which often has fee but is same day.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: raphy781 on January 07, 2014, 03:05:05 PM
AFSI is buying TWGP for $3 a share. Would there be a reason to hold onto the stock untill the summer? Won't it just hover around $3 untill then?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Davidp on January 08, 2014, 12:18:31 AM

AFSI is buying TWGP for $3 a share. Would there be a reason to hold onto the stock untill the summer? Won't it just hover around $3 untill then?
I don't think so. The buyout is contingent on a review of the TWGP books. If there are any discrepancies, or evidence that their books were doctored (which certain people do believe), the sale will be off, which will in turn drive the stock down. In summary, I would wait to buy (or sell until, and buy back after) the sale is complete.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: menachem_m on January 11, 2014, 07:11:16 PM
"@robinhoodapp: Robinhood is now registered in CA, ID, KY, LA, MA, NV, NY, NC, OK, RI, UT, and WA. More states coming soon! #zerocommission"
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Sport on January 14, 2014, 09:24:54 AM
Anyone have any experience with starting an investment club?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: damaxer91 on January 21, 2014, 06:10:00 PM
Wow, so Alibaba is valued at 125 Billion Dollars and will probably end up at 200 Billion by years end when they go public

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2014/01/20/alibaba-tiger-global-yahoo/4659895/
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Elgnt on January 22, 2014, 01:55:01 PM
If you are looking for stock picks focus on biotechs. We are in the middle of a big bubble just make sure you get out at the right time.  Aria, ormp, icpt  rosg ....
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: damaxer91 on January 22, 2014, 01:59:27 PM
If you are looking for stock picks focus on biotechs. We are in the middle of a big bubble just make sure you get out at the right time.  Aria, ormp, icpt  rosg ....

Or at the end of it dependending  on who you ask
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: HP58 on January 22, 2014, 02:38:28 PM
What do you guys think about Blackberry's prospects with John Chen?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: avremie on January 22, 2014, 03:59:39 PM
I would go with pharmaceutical companies they won't pop in a bubble IMHO
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ckmk47 on January 22, 2014, 04:23:32 PM
I would go with pharmaceutical companies they won't pop in a bubble IMHO
A stable pharmaceutical company.  Not one that never made a profit, but the price keeps rising because they're going to come out with a hot new drug any time now.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: HP58 on January 22, 2014, 07:45:33 PM
A stable pharmaceutical company.  Not one that never made a profit, but the price keeps rising because they're going to come out with a hot new drug any time now.
You have inside info ;) ?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: HP58 on January 22, 2014, 07:46:18 PM
What do you guys think about Blackberry's prospects with John Chen?
No opinions, people?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: bluiemonster1 on January 22, 2014, 09:24:53 PM
Solid pick of the day:

Dominoes pizza!

And yes its mutar  ;D
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ckmk47 on January 22, 2014, 11:59:05 PM
I would go with pharmaceutical companies they won't pop in a bubble IMHO
Only pick pharmacies that are
A stable pharmaceutical company.  Not one that never made a profit, but the price keeps rising because they're going to come out with a hot new drug any time now.
for example  MRK merck,  PFE pfizer.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on January 23, 2014, 12:54:12 PM
i bought RNN
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ergel on January 27, 2014, 05:54:47 PM
AAPL getting killed :(
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on January 27, 2014, 08:54:41 PM
AAPL getting killed :(
I'm in need of a חובת הלבבות :'(
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: stmark on January 28, 2014, 02:10:46 PM
What do people think of MJNA? is it too high already (not trying to make the joke) or does it have some room to go?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on January 28, 2014, 04:45:48 PM
What do people think of MJNA? is it too high already (not trying to make the joke) or does it have some room to go?

Why not AEGY ?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: stmark on January 28, 2014, 05:22:58 PM
Because AEGY doesn't seem to be bringing in any revenues.

http://www.smallcapnetwork.com/Three-Small-Cap-Stocks-Going-for-Highs-or-Withdrawals-AEGY-REFG-PGSY/s/via/21051/article/view/p/mid/1/id/287/
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eli1571 on January 29, 2014, 12:20:00 PM
OLIE suspended from trading till feb 7 due to; The Commission temporarily suspended trading in Olie and Hi Score due to a lack of current and
accurate information about the companies. There are questions regarding the accuracy of
publicly available information about both companies' assets, acquisitions, business activities,
control persons, securities offerings, and financing arrangements.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on January 31, 2014, 11:17:07 AM
i bought RNN
If you still have them then good for you!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: bluiemonster1 on January 31, 2014, 11:35:42 AM
Goog is finally splitting and making non voting shares. U think they will hold value with the voting shares?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Elgnt on February 01, 2014, 10:19:35 PM
Actc is another pharm stock that has a product but had terrible management. Ceo just resigned its a penny stock but they have real science
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: bluiemonster1 on February 03, 2014, 05:55:19 PM
How low will dow jones go? I bet into the 14,600's
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on February 03, 2014, 06:48:21 PM
Because AEGY doesn't seem to be bringing in any revenues.

http://www.smallcapnetwork.com/Three-Small-Cap-Stocks-Going-for-Highs-or-Withdrawals-AEGY-REFG-PGSY/s/via/21051/article/view/p/mid/1/id/287/

Trading penny stocks is not always about revenue, it's about getting in and out at the right time
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on February 03, 2014, 10:48:01 PM
Amzn and nokia are considered very cheap now
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on February 03, 2014, 10:50:33 PM
Amzn and nokia are considered very cheap now

Amzn is considered cheap by what metric?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on February 03, 2014, 10:50:49 PM
Amzn and nokia are considered very cheap now
Considered by whom?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on February 04, 2014, 07:54:17 AM
Amazon.com (Nasdaq:AMZN) has been upgraded by TheStreet Ratings from hold to buy.
Title: Motif
Post by: nate on February 04, 2014, 08:47:28 AM
Go to Motif.com to open an account, its unbelievable:
Stocks:Long 2014

BP at 46, it yields 4.9% and is trading at a 6x

CVX as well, I would buy into the downtrend and hold. Also a great yield 3.60%

O realty at 39.72, one of the most prolific REITS on the market pays a 5.4% yield(Monthly payments!) also close to its historic lows, should do much better now as people are getting scared off from foreign markets as they only hold property in the U.S

And if the Index drops below 15,000 pick up Index stocks they usually outperform every mutual fund on the market

Last but not least lets not forget IBM Trading at 172!

And JPM stock of the year currently trading at 54.31!! Major upside potential

Thats all for now ttyl!

Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ushdadude on February 05, 2014, 07:46:43 PM
What do y'all think about penny stocks?
I got unsolicited advice from a patient of mine who thinks one will jump through the roof because it has a good product.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: avremie on February 05, 2014, 07:56:02 PM
I for one believe you can never get unbiased opinion on stocks most people have something in you buying or selling even if they believe what they are selling. Specially when its unsolicited
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: bluiemonster1 on February 05, 2014, 11:43:14 PM
What about GALE is it real or just a pump and dump scheme?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eli1571 on February 06, 2014, 12:44:50 PM
TWTR down over $14
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ushdadude on February 06, 2014, 12:46:26 PM
What do y'all think about penny stocks?
I got unsolicited advice from a patient of mine who thinks one will jump through the roof because it has a good product.
I for one believe you can never get unbiased opinion on stocks most people have something in you buying or selling even if they believe what they are selling. Specially when its unsolicited

wasn't completely unsolicited. He asked me to look up the symbol
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eli1571 on February 06, 2014, 12:51:45 PM
wasn't completely unsolicited. He asked me to look up the symbol
mind sharing it with us ?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Menachem613 on February 06, 2014, 03:30:06 PM

I for one believe you can never get unbiased opinion on stocks most people have something in you buying or selling even if they believe what they are selling. Specially when its unsolicited

Agree, although I don't think the financial statements are unbiased either. Way too many legal adjustments are allowed.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on February 12, 2014, 03:41:21 PM
still up for a penny stock gamble? can you spare 100-200 dollars, buy some ACLP.
BIG ANNOUNCEMENT COMING UP...


expecting big announcement within the next few weeks!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Menachem613 on February 12, 2014, 04:21:32 PM

expecting big announcement within the next few weeks!

Pump and dump?  May want to contact your local securities lawyer. Just saying.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: bluiemonster1 on February 12, 2014, 04:23:56 PM
Buy epb cheap now!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: dbel23 on February 13, 2014, 07:12:48 AM
Pump and dump?  May want to contact your local securities lawyer. Just saying.
+1
I smell stock price manipulation
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Am on February 13, 2014, 09:01:58 AM
You all are giving this clown too much credibility.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: dbel23 on February 13, 2014, 09:59:16 AM
You all are giving this clown too much credibility.

Thank you, Mary jo white.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: bluiemonster1 on February 13, 2014, 11:23:25 AM
Take my advice on this one...EPB is still cheap even though it jumped 5-7 percent recently...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: dbel23 on February 13, 2014, 12:56:36 PM
Take my advice on this one...EPB is still cheap even though it jumped 5-7 percent recently...
Cheap under what metric?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: CS1 on February 18, 2014, 12:14:50 PM
GREAT news!

According to CEO Barry Sternlicht, they'll be selling some Starwood Capital shares in an IPO of their property investment firm:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-18/starwood-capital-ceo-sternlicht-said-to-be-preparing-share-sale.html
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-02-17/starwood-capital-ceo-sternlicht-said-to-be-preparing-share-sale

(I suppose that's a separate IPO than their hotel stocks -- an IPO in 2009? ticker STWD,
and their starwood ticker 'HOT': Hotels and Resorts Worldwide: http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=HOT) 
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: dbel23 on February 18, 2014, 11:24:08 PM
GREAT news!

According to CEO Barry Sternlicht, they'll be selling some Starwood Capital shares in an IPO of their property investment firm:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-18/starwood-capital-ceo-sternlicht-said-to-be-preparing-share-sale.html
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-02-17/starwood-capital-ceo-sternlicht-said-to-be-preparing-share-sale

(I suppose that's a separate IPO than their hotel stocks -- an IPO in 2009? ticker STWD,
and their starwood ticker 'HOT': Hotels and Resorts Worldwide: http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=HOT)

This has nothing to do with HOT.

Starwood capital is a property investment firm. It hasn't been affiliated with the starwood hotels and resorts you are referring to for years.

Check it out
http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-18/starwood-capital-ceo-sternlicht-said-to-be-preparing-share-sale.html
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: joeberg on February 19, 2014, 02:35:01 PM
OHRP
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Eli+ on February 19, 2014, 04:57:18 PM
OHRP

Just researched this, nice upswing..

Thanks!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: princea143 on February 22, 2014, 02:44:03 AM
Hearing good things about AKAM too.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: dealvr on February 25, 2014, 10:17:28 AM
Thinking about shorting TSLA here (245).
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: @jack123 on February 25, 2014, 10:26:13 AM
Thinking about shorting TSLA here (245).


why fight it... its got momentum. i wouldnt do that. good luck though.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yomo on February 25, 2014, 10:38:15 AM
Thinking about shorting TSLA here (245).
May not be the best idea...
Morgan Stanley raised their target to $320
Don't mess with elon musk
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: dealvr on February 25, 2014, 11:54:12 AM
Thinking about shorting TSLA here (245).
Wow.. Luckily I held off on it this morning. Already up another $13.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on February 25, 2014, 12:10:06 PM
Wow.. Luckily I held off on it this morning. Already up another $13.
i held of shorting at $160  :o
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: MAJ on February 25, 2014, 01:34:12 PM
i held of shorting at $160  :o
i held off buying at $120 :-[
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on February 25, 2014, 01:40:11 PM
i held off buying at $120 :-[

I know the feeling...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: bluiemonster1 on February 25, 2014, 01:50:48 PM
i held off buying at $120 :-[
i held off at 27. The website was impressive but they had no history.. .im proud of myself nonetheless
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ual902 on February 25, 2014, 01:52:12 PM
Facebook  looks like a good future, should I  buy the facebook stock?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: bluiemonster1 on February 25, 2014, 02:20:02 PM
Facebook  looks like a good future, should I  buy the facebook stock?
no no no
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on February 25, 2014, 02:29:18 PM
no no no

lol.. although cramer disagrees
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: bluiemonster1 on February 25, 2014, 02:33:05 PM
Only buy it if you agree to take myspace with
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on February 25, 2014, 02:59:53 PM



 
no no no
Only buy it if you agree to take myspace with
comparing Facebook to Myspace is like comparing Google to AOL.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: M on February 25, 2014, 03:32:18 PM


 comparing Facebook to Myspace is like comparing Google to AOL.

Well said.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: dbel23 on February 25, 2014, 05:18:20 PM


 comparing Facebook to Myspace is like comparing Google to AOL.
+1

No comparison
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: good sam on February 25, 2014, 08:19:34 PM
lol.. although cramer disagrees
Do the opposite of what cramer says and you'll come out better. Or at least the same.

Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: bluiemonster1 on February 26, 2014, 10:13:12 AM
FNMA is jumping!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yos9694 on February 26, 2014, 03:46:48 PM
FNMA is jumping!

No surprise. If you saw their filing you would have known this would happen last Friday. The reason it's happening so fast is because of Ackman, which is nice only if you're a day trader type.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: dbel23 on February 27, 2014, 07:05:49 PM
Do the opposite of what cramer says and you'll come out better. Or at least the same.



Lol this is great. Do you know what is the date of that video?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: dbel23 on February 27, 2014, 07:11:36 PM
Lol this is great. Do you know what is the date of that video?
got it. March 11 2008

3 days before it got swallowed up by Jamie Dimon

http://money.cnn.com/2008/03/28/magazines/fortune/boyd_bear.fortune/
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: bluiemonster1 on February 28, 2014, 12:55:58 AM
No surprise. If you saw their filing you would have known this would happen last Friday. The reason it's happening so fast is because of Ackman, which is nice only if you're a day trader type.
time to short!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yos9694 on February 28, 2014, 11:28:37 AM
time to short!

Are you a day trader?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on March 02, 2014, 04:17:18 PM
Wonder what this ukraine situation will do to the markets this week.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: CS1 on March 02, 2014, 04:32:19 PM
Wonder what this ukraine situation will do to the markets this week.
IMO:
Vodka stock up; Russian airlines down.
Jan K. from Ukraine's What's App up, MTS Mobile Ukraine, down.
Russian hotels up; Ukraine currency ("hryvnia"), down.
Energy/gas up; Ukraine manufacturing stocks, down.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: bluiemonster1 on March 02, 2014, 05:21:59 PM
IMO:
Vodka stock up; Russian airlines down.
Jan K. from Ukraine's What's App up, MTS Mobile Ukraine, down.
Russian hotels up; Ukraine currency ("hryvnia"), down.
Energy/gas up; Ukraine manufacturing stocks, down.
lol
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: CS1 on March 02, 2014, 06:25:31 PM
lol
+1

 :) Glad you appreciated.. Someone asked the question. So someone had to answer -- i'll still meet my 5pm Mon. deadline somehow...
Will watch the markets in the am. It will already be pm in Ukraine.
My friend lives in Zhitomer. I see that Crimea and all the current Russian activity is closer to the Black Sea. The US markets probably won't do much in response tomorrow... It's a big power show. We'll see how the week goes, overall.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: good sam on March 07, 2014, 01:15:59 PM
COUP

Some IPO!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on March 09, 2014, 05:29:54 PM
Time to short Boeing
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: wierdal832 on March 09, 2014, 05:35:45 PM

COUP

Some IPO!

Did you have any?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Am on March 11, 2014, 03:27:40 PM
General question:
 Do you find it harder to make the decision to buy or sell?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: jl6647 on March 11, 2014, 04:26:42 PM
General question:
 Do you find it harder to make the decision to buy or sell?
it's very easy to buy a Stock, the hard thing is knowing when to sell...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Vosizderneias on March 11, 2014, 04:31:32 PM
Its hard to buy a stock at a discounted price
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: CS1 on March 11, 2014, 06:30:13 PM
it's very easy to buy a Stock, the hard thing is knowing when to sell...
especially if you're not ahead. Easy to sell when you make 200%. Hard to sell if you've lost 15%, because you think you'll make it back.
Or at least break even. Sometimes it's smartest to cut your losses at 15% and thereby prevent a 40%+ loss...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: miles lover on March 11, 2014, 06:50:03 PM
What to people say about the energy stocks , Plug and fcel ? Is it worth it to pull out now ?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: bluiemonster1 on March 12, 2014, 12:52:23 AM
Wow good thing i didn't buy FNMA...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on March 12, 2014, 11:28:34 AM
What to people say about the energy stocks , Plug and fcel ? Is it worth it to pull out now ?


FCEL
SmartConsensus ,MarketEdge and Thomson Reuters all rate it a hold or strong buy, might be too early to sell

Riteaid RAD was upgraded to a BUY with price target of $8
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on March 13, 2014, 11:47:58 AM

Wow good thing i didn't buy FNMA...

Still happy you didn't buy it?

I bought, especially now that Bruce Berkowits is 'Icahn'ing' the stock..
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yos9694 on March 13, 2014, 01:00:32 PM
Wow good thing i didn't buy FNMA...

I don't get it. You get excited about short term price movements but you don't act short term? With your philosophy you should have bought FNMA when you first saw it jumping and let it go when it started to fall. That would have been a nice ride, in at $3 and out at $6. If you don't play that game, then why the focus on spikes and dips instead of the company's value?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on March 14, 2014, 01:45:08 PM
FNMA up another 10% today.

This is one volatile stock this week
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: princea143 on March 22, 2014, 02:04:43 AM
Anybody have insight on Alibaba IPO coming up???
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: wierdal832 on March 23, 2014, 09:46:30 AM

Anybody have insight on Alibaba IPO coming up???
What exactly is your question.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: princea143 on March 23, 2014, 12:54:47 PM
What exactly is your question.
Any info, opportunities, etc. I assume the big guys already are on a wait list for dibs on large amounts of shares. All I was asking about were thoughts and opinions about it. I, for one, know that it's a legit company as my friends and associates in Asia have utilized it effectively. It's not as user friendly as amazon, but it offers much more and in bulk. it is currently worth $160B. Lots of potential.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: wierdal832 on March 23, 2014, 12:59:41 PM

Any info, opportunities, etc. I assume the big guys already are on a wait list for dibs on large amounts of shares. All I was asking about were thoughts and opinions about it. I, for one, know that it's a legit company as my friends and associates in Asia have utilized it effectively. It's not as user friendly as amazon, but it offers much more and in bulk. it is currently worth $160B. Lots of potential.
I think it's a buy on the open. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yos9694 on March 23, 2014, 10:19:12 PM
I think it's a buy on the open. Just my opinion.

Just remember, Alibaba and the 40 thieves
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: menachem_m on March 24, 2014, 03:25:24 PM
Apparently loyal3.com (http://loyal3.com) has been around for awhile, its sort of like a 'beginners' market.
They offer no-commission on about 50+ common, home brands. The companies themselves pay for the transaction fee 'in lieu' of advertising dollars / to promote loyalty.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ergel on March 25, 2014, 01:08:09 PM
Should I take my profit on JPM?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on March 25, 2014, 02:27:22 PM
Should I take my profit on JPM?
they were downgraded from HOLD to BUY ,still not a SELL, if thats what you wanted to know
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 18seagate on March 25, 2014, 11:07:04 PM
My father has a munch of old penny stocks certificates, how do you cash them out now?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: @jack123 on March 26, 2014, 12:44:12 AM

Should I take my profit on JPM?

If you have a better idea to put it into. Otherwise might as well hold.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Alexsei on March 26, 2014, 05:58:35 PM
Where with be a great place for entry level brokerage i saw capital one has an account charging $6.95
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: stmark on April 03, 2014, 02:54:17 PM
Is anyone buying Goog or Googl after the split/new shares created? Is there a major difference between them that would make one better than the other?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: dealvr on April 03, 2014, 05:27:18 PM
GOOGL have voting rights
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on April 04, 2014, 12:43:42 AM
Some reason my googl is showing as a loss today because it's now half the price. I wonder if I sell that half (for a real gain) will I get to count that as a capital loss? I can hold onto the goog for a long term cap gain in theory. Or is it only showing that way but I can't claim it as a loss?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eli1571 on April 04, 2014, 06:54:34 AM
anyone here went long on CFD's and then the share split like GOOG ? what happens do you get 2 - 1 or do you lose your money ?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on April 04, 2014, 07:50:15 AM
Some reason my googl is showing as a loss today because it's now half the price. I wonder if I sell that half (for a real gain) will I get to count that as a capital loss? I can hold onto the goog for a long term cap gain in theory. Or is it only showing that way but I can't claim it as a loss?

Nvm... They fixed it today
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yos9694 on April 04, 2014, 08:40:04 AM
GOOGL have voting rights

And personally I wouldnt pay a penny extra for voting rights. But as long as the two are the same price you might as well buy A shares because over time they will become scarce compared to C shares. This was a very odd split.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Am on April 07, 2014, 10:47:56 AM
If I sold my GOOGL shares now what would be the purchase date regarding tax rates
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on April 07, 2014, 12:01:33 PM
If I sold my GOOGL shares now what would be the purchase date regarding tax rates

On my brokerage they are both showing up for me with my original purchase date.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on April 10, 2014, 12:32:06 PM
RAD is a good turnaround story. Obamacare, and their renovations to stores will pay off. Hopefully, we see $15 within 2-3 years.
+1
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Vosizderneias on April 10, 2014, 01:50:42 PM
anyone else play around with the website peterleeds.com (http://peterleeds.com)? he posts stock picks on penny stocks, hes got great reviews.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Kvending on April 10, 2014, 05:46:31 PM
anyone else play around with the website peterleeds.com (http://peterleeds.com)? he posts stock picks on penny stocks, hes got great reviews.

Scam!
Title: Stocks
Post by: Vosizderneias on April 10, 2014, 06:07:01 PM
Scam!
why?
I went past the first page on web-site and read his whole book.
He even wrote penny stocks for dummies.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: HP58 on April 10, 2014, 06:30:50 PM
Motley Fool swears INVN is the next Intel. What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: berele on April 10, 2014, 07:03:22 PM
Did anyone here ever read john bogle little book on common sense investing?  I guarantee it will change the way you view the stock market
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ergel on May 15, 2014, 01:52:28 PM
Should I take my profit on JPM?
they were downgraded from HOLD to BUY ,still not a SELL, if thats what you wanted to know
That's what I get for taking stock advice from the internet (just joking, I didn't not sell because of this comment but I should have sold)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: stmark on May 16, 2014, 10:04:15 AM
Is now a time to buy WWE? Took a nose dive today...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: M on May 16, 2014, 12:05:52 PM
Is now a time to buy WWE? Took a nose dive today...

Might catch a bid here but don't think this is a long term play......
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: MAJ on May 17, 2014, 02:40:01 PM

Did anyone here ever read john bogle little book on common sense investing?  I guarantee it will change the way you view the stock market
have not read, looking for stock book recommendations, have read reminiscence of a stock operator and stocks for dummies.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: @jack123 on May 18, 2014, 05:26:35 PM
The intelligent investor
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: moish on May 18, 2014, 06:40:41 PM
the little book that beats the market
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: @jack123 on May 18, 2014, 07:21:17 PM
One up on wall st also good
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: stmark on June 09, 2014, 12:14:57 PM
Is apple a buy right after their share split or wait for a pull back?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ergel on June 09, 2014, 12:21:05 PM
Is apple a buy right after their share split or wait for a pull back?
The stock costs the same as it did yesterday. The split is immaterial
Title: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on June 09, 2014, 01:16:13 PM
The stock costs the same as it did yesterday. The split is immaterial
$AAPL was always 'cheap' even when its stock price was 'expensive' considering the stock trades at 13 times earnings estimates for next fiscal yr, so now that the stock price is cheap too, the stock has huge potential. IMveryHO.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on June 09, 2014, 01:30:18 PM
$AAPL was always 'cheap' even when its stock price was 'expensive' considering the stock trades at 13 times earnings estimates for next fiscal yr, so now that the stock price is cheap too, the stock has huge potential. IMveryHO.
!אמן
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ergel on June 09, 2014, 01:44:15 PM
$AAPL was always 'cheap' even when its stock price was 'expensive' considering the stock trades at 13 times earnings estimates for next fiscal yr, so now that the stock price is cheap too, the stock has huge potential. IMveryHO.
I own the stock, so I agree. But again, the fact that the stock price is "cheap" (the same as it was yesterday) is only material to the trader who is buying a a couple of shares (and likely knows very little). This person has very little effect on the market. The stock is priced the exact same it was yesterday. Now it is just more accessible to the Joe Shmoe on the street (who doesn't realize it's exactly the same it was yesterday)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on June 09, 2014, 01:59:23 PM

I own the stock, so I agree. But again, the fact that the stock price is "cheap" (the same as it was yesterday) is only material to the trader who is buying a a couple of shares (and likely knows very little). This person has very little effect on the market. The stock is priced the exact same it was yesterday. Now it is just more accessible to the Joe Shmoe on the street (who doesn't realize it's exactly the same it was yesterday)
Those individual odd lots investors do have some impact on a stock, it should push the stock higher for that reason alone
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: mercaz1 on June 09, 2014, 02:13:28 PM
half the reason they split is probably to convince individual investors who thought the stock was to pricey before to buy now
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: menachem_m on June 09, 2014, 02:14:29 PM
Maybe they wanted to be in the DOW?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: MAJ on June 09, 2014, 05:21:33 PM
History shows that stocks go up after a split. Not saying it's logical ...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: PBaruch on June 12, 2014, 11:29:47 AM
What do you guys think about GoPro?  They are making $ but they are also a 1 trick pony. 
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: damaxer91 on June 12, 2014, 11:31:46 AM
What do you guys think about GoPro?  They are making $ but they are also a 1 trick pony. 

They are more than that. They have become a lifestyle brand
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: PBaruch on June 12, 2014, 11:34:48 AM
They are more than that. They have become a lifestyle brand

Point is, when the next disruptive technology comes out that is better, what else do they have?  They sell essentially 1 product (although they make different variations of it).  It's not like they have multiple products across different product lines.  And I'm not bashing the company.  I own and love their products (except that quality control sucks).
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on June 13, 2014, 12:50:14 AM
Delta a buy if it drops again?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 13, 2014, 04:59:16 AM
What do you guys think about GoPro?  They are making $ but they are also a 1 trick pony.

I wouldn't buy long term into any camera companies. They're on the road to oblivion.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: PBaruch on June 13, 2014, 10:08:45 AM
I wouldn't buy long term into any camera companies. They're on the road to oblivion.

What makes you say that?  Yes, its true that cell phones are hurting the point and shoot market, but DSLR cameras will never be replaced by smartphones, at least not the ones manufactured today.  Further, at least or the time being, you cannot accomplish what the GoPro does with anything else (except of course some competitors similar products which are not as good).  Still, I am concerned about buying a 1 trick pony. 
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: dsw193 on June 18, 2014, 06:16:49 PM
I am looking to put in 10k in a mutual fund.
aiming more towards long term so some risk is acceptable, but I have no clue where/how.
is there a good fund and trader to go to? or is it like stocks(which I would'nt / should'nt take just anyone's advice)? TIA
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yos9694 on June 18, 2014, 07:41:37 PM
I am looking to put in 10k in a mutual fund.
aiming more towards long term so some risk is acceptable, but I have no clue where/how.
is there a good fund and trader to go to? or is it like stocks(which I would'nt / should'nt take just anyone's advice)? TIA

A hot fund is this
https://www.nylinvestments.com/mainstay/products-and-performance/MainStay-Marketfield-Fund
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: george on June 18, 2014, 07:51:26 PM
I am looking to put in 10k in a mutual fund.
aiming more towards long term so some risk is acceptable, but I have no clue where/how.
is there a good fund and trader to go to? or is it like stocks(which I would'nt / should'nt take just anyone's advice)? TIA
Vanguard.com
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on June 18, 2014, 11:56:05 PM
I am looking to put in 10k in a mutual fund.
aiming more towards long term so some risk is acceptable, but I have no clue where/how.
is there a good fund and trader to go to? or is it like stocks(which I would'nt / should'nt take just anyone's advice)? TIA

vanguard, fidelity.

look for a low cost fund. they will have tools that let you sort based on risk/"reward"/cost factors. Check out websites like kiplinger for recommendations.

You can choose a sector of the market that you think overall will perform better or pick a fund that tracks the overall market.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on June 18, 2014, 11:59:41 PM
A hot fund is this
https://www.nylinvestments.com/mainstay/products-and-performance/MainStay-Marketfield-Fund

why is it hot? expenses are high and returns have not been spectacular compared to the market

5.5% sales charge is taking money right off the top. then an expense ratio of nearly 3%

there are funds that have no sales charge, under 1% expense ratio and have a history of beating the market.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: PBaruch on June 19, 2014, 12:03:51 AM
Does anyone know if there are restrictions for the sale of GoPro stock purchased at IPO?  I know that sometimes companies place restrictions on sale of stock at IPO.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: lyla on June 19, 2014, 10:19:24 PM
Does anyone know if there are restrictions for the sale of GoPro stock purchased at IPO?  I know that sometimes companies place restrictions on sale of stock at IPO.
Nope. You can sell the day it opens with no penalty. I enquired already.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: @jack123 on June 20, 2014, 09:15:44 AM
Sometimes the broker u buy it from doesn't like it and might prevent u from buying future iPos though
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: lyla on June 23, 2014, 01:33:47 AM
Sometimes the broker u buy it from doesn't like it and might prevent u from buying future iPos though
I think PBaruch was referring to loyal3.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on June 24, 2014, 03:53:11 PM
im in for a gamble, going to short Gopro when it goes public
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Emkay on June 24, 2014, 03:57:00 PM
I wanted to buy gopro but apparently I can't anymore through loyal3.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: sruly on June 27, 2014, 10:41:47 AM
im in for a gamble, going to short Gopro when it goes public
I hope you did not short it.

Up %30 the first day and so far over %20 today
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on June 27, 2014, 11:37:24 AM
I hope you did not short it.

Up %30 the first day and so far over %20 today
thank god i got busy watching the Germany vs USA game and forgot to short the stock. 8)
but i do think i will short the stock when the hype fades
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on June 27, 2014, 11:44:39 AM

thank god i got busy watching the Germany vs USA game and forgot to short the stock. 8)
but i do think i will short the stock when the hype fades
I'd short it an hour ago, it trades at 75x earnings. Crazy. 
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: PBaruch on June 27, 2014, 11:52:28 AM
I'd short it an hour ago, it trades at 75x earnings. Crazy.

It's a bubble.  It was overvalued even at the IPO set price. 
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mikeoracle on July 01, 2014, 01:22:58 PM
It's a bubble.  It was overvalued even at the IPO set price. 
I hope no one is short!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: damaxer91 on July 01, 2014, 01:25:08 PM
Gonna go above 60 in this market, maybe even higher
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on July 01, 2014, 01:49:03 PM
iyh i will short it the week before they announce earnings...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on July 14, 2014, 12:04:51 PM
I hope no one is short!
my short at $44.25 is looking good now
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Sowhat on July 14, 2014, 10:16:52 PM
I have a question.  I hold a fund, AONIX, conservative allocation (fund of funds but no added layer of expense).  All the rating companies rate it low--Morningstar, for example, gives it two stars.  But when I look at the five star funds in this class, their risk profile is much higher than AONIX.  Look at BERIX, for example.  Solid fund, relatively lower risk, but its overall risk is somewhat higher than AONIX.  How can Morningstar compare a 2 risk fund with a 4/5 risk fund, even if they are classified in the same investment style?  I ask because it seems that AONIX is a solid fund for what its supposed to do, but no one will agree with me.

On a different note, does anyone hold SICNX?  Seems like a solid player as of late, against OAKIX, which I hold, and which is supposed to be solid.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Sowhat on July 14, 2014, 10:18:27 PM
I guess VWIAX is comparable.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Sowhat on July 14, 2014, 10:21:23 PM
VWINX is the non-institutional class.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: wierdal832 on July 15, 2014, 07:39:59 PM

my short at $44.25 is looking good now
and I'm sure ur covered it yesterday
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on July 16, 2014, 11:43:37 AM
and I'm sure ur covered it yesterday
2 days ago
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: MoGro17 on July 16, 2014, 11:48:51 AM
I'm not sure if this is the right place for it but here goes:

I have $5500 in a Roth IRA with Chuck Schwab.
I want to put it in to something that is safe yet will earn. I don't want to pay any fees or service charges or anything. Just put it in and forget about it for 30 years (other than adding to the overall account every December).

Does anyone have any advice? (Assume I have zero/limited experience with market terms and rules).
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yos9694 on July 16, 2014, 12:47:00 PM
I'm not sure if this is the right place for it but here goes:

I have $5500 in a Roth IRA with Chuck Schwab.
I want to put it in to something that is safe yet will earn. I don't want to pay any fees or service charges or anything. Just put it in and forget about it for 30 years (other than adding to the overall account every December).

Does anyone have any advice? (Assume I have zero/limited experience with market terms and rules).

How safe do you need? An index fund is usually the way to go for your situation, check out DIA or SPY.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on July 16, 2014, 02:09:20 PM
instead of IRA i bought BRK.B
i find it a very stable stock with limit or no risk involved and has a record of beating the market on a downfall

jmho
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: aygart on July 16, 2014, 02:47:34 PM
instead of IRA i bought BRK.B
i find it a very stable stock with limit or no risk involved and has a record of beating the market on a downfall

jmho
no risk? How about the health of an 83 year old cancer survivor and to a lesser extent a 90 year old?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on July 16, 2014, 05:58:55 PM
do you really think that if he dies theres no Berkshire Hathaway anymore? A company that size doesnt just run like a grocery.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: aygart on July 16, 2014, 06:59:31 PM
do you really think that if he dies theres no Berkshire Hathaway anymore? A company that size doesnt just run like a grocery.
Of course it will still be there, but it will be worth much less.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Thingywingy on July 16, 2014, 07:24:10 PM
Great Tradeking offer (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=43469.msg867118#msg867118)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on July 16, 2014, 08:06:08 PM
Of course it will still be there, but it will be worth much less.

Which when he dies could be a very good time to buy as people sell out
Title: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on July 16, 2014, 08:41:05 PM
no risk? How about the health of an 83 year old cancer survivor and to a lesser extent a 90 year old?
$AAPL is the perfect example that when a true master mind dies, it leaves behind a culture and a way of thinking that continues to move the company in the right direction
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on July 16, 2014, 10:30:59 PM
$AAPL is the perfect example that when a true master mind dies, it leaves behind a culture and a way of thinking that continues to move the company in the right direction

I would venture to say that AAPL is still very much in the air as to how they do long term post Jobs.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on July 16, 2014, 11:14:48 PM

I would venture to say that AAPL is still very much in the air as to how they do long term post Jobs.
Agreed.

Yet $AAPL closed today roughly 80% higher since Jobs died, and it was up already almost a 100% back in September 2012, all while "aapl is still very much in the air as to how they do long term post Jobs" ...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: MAJ on July 17, 2014, 02:43:57 AM

I'm not sure if this is the right place for it but here goes:

I have $5500 in a Roth IRA with Chuck Schwab.
I want to put it in to something that is safe yet will earn. I don't want to pay any fees or service charges or anything. Just put it in and forget about it for 30 years (other than adding to the overall account every December).

Does anyone have any advice? (Assume I have zero/limited experience with market terms and rules).
check out future advisor
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eli1571 on July 17, 2014, 09:20:46 AM
GOOG earnings coming out today after market closing hours. what is recommended going long or short ?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yos9694 on July 17, 2014, 10:08:41 AM
Which when he dies could be a very good time to buy as people sell out

Exactly the kind of advice Buffett would give. Were you being ironic on purpose?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: MAJ on July 17, 2014, 12:10:08 PM
Anyone know Malaysian air stock ticker? Out now and can't find on my phone
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: dpk4588 on July 17, 2014, 12:15:22 PM
Anyone know Malaysian air stock ticker? Out now and can't find on my phone

its MAS on the Kuala Lumpur Stock Exchange. It doesnt look like its traded in the US (maybe anywhere but Kuala Lumpur Stock Exchange)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ergel on July 17, 2014, 12:16:03 PM
http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/MAS:MK
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on July 17, 2014, 12:17:06 PM

Anyone know Malaysian air stock ticker? Out now and can't find on my phone
Making money off news. Good!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on July 17, 2014, 03:10:12 PM
$AAPL is the perfect example that when a true master mind dies, it leaves behind a culture and a way of thinking that continues to move the company in the right direction
+1
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: joeshmoe11 on July 17, 2014, 07:23:10 PM
Hey Y'all,
Got an interesting theory going on that I have been working on and I figured I would share and see what you think.
I plan on taking a look at the connection between stock performance and publicity. I know there is no big chiddush here but for example.
In WSJ this morning I read that Fox(FOX) offered to buy out Time Warner(TWX). Time Warner turned them down. The stock went up 3.6% today. So right now not sure if this is a valuable method or the most obvious method.
Wadya think. And I know some of you could be harsh so let 'er rip.
Shmoe
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on July 17, 2014, 07:30:33 PM

Hey Y'all,
Got an interesting theory going on that I have been working on and I figured I would share and see what you think.
I plan on taking a look at the connection between stock performance and publicity. I know there is no big chiddush here but for example.
In WSJ this morning I read that Fox(FOX) offered to buy out Time Warner(TWX). Time Warner turned them down. The stock went up 3.6% today. So right now not sure if this is a valuable method or the most obvious method.
Wadya think. And I know some of you could be harsh so let 'er rip.
Shmoe
And how exactly are you going to make money?

You work at the WSJ??

Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on July 17, 2014, 07:36:54 PM
In WSJ this morning I read that Fox(FOX) offered to buy out Time Warner(TWX). Time Warner turned them down. The stock went up 3.6% today.
It actually went up yesterday a whopping 14%.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on July 17, 2014, 07:40:03 PM

Hey Y'all,
Got an interesting theory going on that I have been working on and I figured I would share and see what you think.
I plan on taking a look at the connection between stock performance and publicity. I know there is no big chiddush here but for example.
In WSJ this morning I read that Fox(FOX) offered to buy out Time Warner(TWX). Time Warner turned them down. The stock went up 3.6% today. So right now not sure if this is a valuable method or the most obvious method.
Wadya think. And I know some of you could be harsh so let 'er rip.
Shmoe
The right way to do it is when there's a short term negative story which pulls down a stock buy then and sell when the story evaporates
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on July 24, 2014, 03:52:05 PM
Anybody getting some AMZN before the close?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on July 24, 2014, 04:23:01 PM

Anybody getting some AMZN before the close?
Hope no one did
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on July 24, 2014, 04:31:21 PM
Hope no one did
:'(
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on July 24, 2014, 04:32:16 PM

:'(
+1
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on July 24, 2014, 04:37:39 PM
Im personally not worried about the loss aspect of the report cuz of this... http://www.businessinsider.com/amazons-profits-what-people-dont-understand-2013-10 ...article, in fact a bigger loss might be a good thing.

But the guidance isn't that good in the report today
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on July 24, 2014, 05:17:23 PM
Ouch!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Thingywingy on July 25, 2014, 02:49:01 PM
Anybody getting some AMZN before the close?
Hope you didn't!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on July 25, 2014, 02:51:05 PM
Hope you didn't!


:'(
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on July 27, 2014, 09:51:46 AM
Shorted amzn before earning and went long Starbucks before closing, "you win some and loose some"
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on July 31, 2014, 12:10:37 PM
I've definitely witnessed better days...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on July 31, 2014, 12:14:36 PM
I've definitely witnessed better days...
Me too i'm down 2% today  :'(
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on July 31, 2014, 12:20:18 PM

Me too i'm down 2% today  :'(
I'm pretty big in $S $AAL .. Feel me?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on July 31, 2014, 04:28:05 PM
shorted YELP before earnings yesterday, bought LNKD and EXPE today, was going to short GPRO but was maxed out...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on July 31, 2014, 05:05:41 PM
shorted YELP before earnings yesterday, bought LNKD and EXPE today, was going to short GPRO but was maxed out...

Some would accuse you of some serious insider trading if you keep having days like that.

Nicely done.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Emkay on July 31, 2014, 05:20:54 PM
shorted YELP before earnings yesterday, bought LNKD and EXPE today, was going to short GPRO but was maxed out...
Which platform Do u use?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on July 31, 2014, 06:23:21 PM
shorted YELP before earnings yesterday, bought LNKD and EXPE today, was going to short GPRO but was maxed out...
Would you mind sharing next time your transactions beforehand?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: mow on July 31, 2014, 06:40:07 PM

Would you mind sharing next time your transactions beforehand?
+1
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ari2955 on July 31, 2014, 10:30:02 PM
I'm pretty big in $S $AAL .. Feel me?
When did you get in?
Title: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on July 31, 2014, 11:23:20 PM
When did you get in?
$S recently

$AAL back when it was still $AMR like $4ish, going thru the whole bankruptcy/merger was hard and risky, but boy did it pay off ️..
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ari2955 on July 31, 2014, 11:38:53 PM

$AAL back when it was still $AMR like $4ish, going thru the whole bankruptcy/merger was hard and risky, but boy did it pay off ️..

It sure did!! 😀😀

I got in at $8
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on August 01, 2014, 04:44:14 PM
+1
Yes next time,  I'm buying PCLN before earnings, if anything else comes up will let you know
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on August 01, 2014, 04:45:32 PM

Yes next time,  I'm buying PCLN before earnings, if anything else comes up will let you know
Screenshot shot
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on August 01, 2014, 04:55:27 PM
Me too i'm down 2% today  :'(
Made up for it today 3.9% thanks TSLA  :D
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on August 04, 2014, 11:56:28 AM
Screenshot shot
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on August 04, 2014, 06:01:28 PM


Nice one day profit!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on August 05, 2014, 12:42:43 PM
GRPN to BUY or SHORT before earnings release?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on August 05, 2014, 06:44:15 PM
GRPN to BUY or SHORT before earnings release?
And you did what??
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on August 05, 2014, 07:21:27 PM
And you did what??
I hope he shorted it, down 16.25% after hours
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on August 05, 2014, 07:56:40 PM
I'm pretty big in $S
Ouch!!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on August 05, 2014, 08:03:39 PM

Ouch!!
Yeah, new CEO tomorrow though
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on August 05, 2014, 09:14:06 PM
I hope he shorted it, down 16.25% after hours
Didnt end up trading the stock. Felt like shorting but didnt have enough analysts backing me.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on August 05, 2014, 09:29:43 PM
Didnt end up trading the stock. Felt like shorting but didnt have enough analysts backing me.
How/where do you usually do your research?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on August 05, 2014, 10:35:19 PM
Mostly on yahoo finance,seeking alpha and etrade
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: brotha123 on August 05, 2014, 11:27:33 PM
Anyone buying into DISNEY (DIS)?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on August 06, 2014, 01:01:58 AM
DIS had an awesome quarter with world cup (they own ESPN)and some new movies, which justifies the 12 months Target Price of $85 . At this point there's not much room for an upside, they are priced right, which makes them a HOLD.unless there's some optimistic news ,merger, new movie... its a buy on the dips
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on August 06, 2014, 02:12:51 AM
so why did RAS pop 18% before earnings? Only thing I can find is that they announced 23 concept stores in the DC area one week after opening 21 in the sf bay area.

Up another 5% in after hours trading after the earnings.

or its just being manipulated as a penny stock

thoughts?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: moish on August 06, 2014, 04:21:56 AM
does anyone know of a powerful stock screener? im looking for something fully 'customizable'.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on August 06, 2014, 08:11:59 AM
$s bleeding 13%, $tmus 7% wow
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eli1571 on August 06, 2014, 09:12:07 AM
whats up with AAL dropping like that after having their best quarter ?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on August 06, 2014, 09:17:49 AM

whats up with AAL dropping like that after having their best quarter ?
For the same reason it shot up to $44 in a relatively short time?
No questions asked then, huh?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on August 06, 2014, 02:33:34 PM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/07/u6una5u2.jpg)

$TMUS CEO is a weird guy to say the least,  so this is how he celebrates the $S news today...

(Yes, he's CEO...)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 08, 2014, 12:20:47 AM
Anyone buying/holding VASC?

http://globenewswire.com/news-release/2014/04/22/628707/10077695/en/Vascular-Solutions-Enters-Into-Agreement-With-U-S-Army-to-Develop-Freeze-Dried-Plasma-Product.html

http://www.themarker.com/markerweek/1.2400357
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eli1571 on August 11, 2014, 06:26:30 AM
For the same reason it shot up to $44 in a relatively short time?
No questions asked then, huh?
well of course not as i said they had their best quarter
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on August 11, 2014, 10:43:08 PM
Anyone else buying KING before earnings?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: wierdal832 on August 12, 2014, 05:02:32 PM

Anyone else buying KING before earnings?
that's goda hurt
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on August 12, 2014, 06:27:52 PM
yup   :o, doubled my stake at 14 to ease the pain  :-X
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on August 12, 2014, 08:23:20 PM

yup   :o, doubled my stake at 14 to ease the pain  :-X
Wow that candy certainly got crushed today..
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on August 13, 2014, 12:37:14 PM
thoughts on PLUG before earnings?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on August 13, 2014, 01:39:38 PM
thoughts on PLUG before earnings?

very very risky, i think BUY...
"CEO has agreed to ring the closing bell tomorrow , it would be embarrassing as a company to ring the bell while company bleeds red ."
But that shouldnt be the reason why to buy the stock...

how about CSCO ?

Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on August 13, 2014, 01:58:34 PM
very very risky, i think BUY...
"CEO has agreed to ring the closing bell tomorrow , it would be embarrassing as a company to ring the bell while company bleeds red ."
But that shouldnt be the reason why to buy the stock...
Thats what I was thinking too...

how about CSCO ?
IDK it could go either way either way I dont think it will move too much
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on August 14, 2014, 09:26:57 AM
very very risky, i think BUY...
"CEO has agreed to ring the closing bell tomorrow , it would be embarrassing as a company to ring the bell while company bleeds red ."
But that shouldnt be the reason why to buy the stock...
Good guess 8)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on August 19, 2014, 11:56:58 AM
Another milestone! (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/19/enuzeju3.jpg)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on August 19, 2014, 12:04:44 PM

Another milestone! (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/19/enuzeju3.jpg)
+1

The real milestone though is at split adjusted ATH $100.72..
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on August 19, 2014, 01:44:01 PM
+1

The real milestone though is at split adjusted ATH $100.72..
Alright, I'll try to push it further up, give me a few..
Title: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on August 19, 2014, 04:34:52 PM
So $AAPL closed at its highest closing price ever, although it didn't reach it's highest price ever. Nice.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on August 20, 2014, 09:39:43 AM
$100.73 is new all time high!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on August 20, 2014, 09:51:17 AM

$100.73 is new all time high!
Or 100.77..
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: peroneustertius on August 21, 2014, 03:36:40 PM
Would anyone consider buying DNDN now at $1.33?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Am on September 02, 2014, 08:17:19 PM
Opinions on SAVE?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: damaxer91 on September 02, 2014, 08:22:09 PM
Supposedly some big Chinese E-Commerce company is going public this month.

Anyone know anything about it?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: sunhao39685 on September 02, 2014, 08:33:08 PM
ALIBABA.
Yes, very good one.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Sport on September 02, 2014, 08:36:21 PM
Chinese version of Amazon.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Am on September 02, 2014, 08:40:41 PM

Chinese version of Amazon.
on steroids
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: damaxer91 on September 02, 2014, 09:10:57 PM
ALIBABA.
Yes, very good one.

Oh, sounds Indian

Gonna be hard to get shares?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on September 02, 2014, 10:48:28 PM
Oh, sounds Indian

Gonna be hard to get shares?
Probably I think its going to be the biggest IPO ever
you can always invest in yahoo they own 23% or softbank 34%
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: damaxer91 on September 02, 2014, 10:52:12 PM
Ok, I'm gonna buy some.

It better not go down!!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on September 03, 2014, 09:30:00 AM
Ok, I'm gonna buy some.

It better not go down!!
I think I will too
which do you think Yahoo or Softbank?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: damaxer91 on September 03, 2014, 10:20:58 AM
I think I will too
which do you think Yahoo or Softbank?

Will buy Alibaba straight
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on September 03, 2014, 10:22:01 AM
Will buy Alibaba straight
Right after it goes public?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: damaxer91 on September 03, 2014, 11:01:55 AM
Right after it goes public?

Seems like all the banks are in on this one

Call enough and maybe you'll get some shares
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on September 03, 2014, 11:04:39 AM
i think safest bet to buy YHOO, i personally own 600 shares...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eli1571 on September 03, 2014, 01:19:31 PM
check this out before you buy yahoo based on alibaba going public http://www.techinsider.net/should-yahoo-inc-yhoo-be-worried-about-alibabas-new-competitor/1115038.html
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on September 03, 2014, 02:23:41 PM
check this out before you buy yahoo based on alibaba going public http://www.techinsider.net/should-yahoo-inc-yhoo-be-worried-about-alibabas-new-competitor/1115038.html

LMAO

your article was written by this guy Fahad Saleem

https://www.odesk.com/o/profiles/users/_~01b7305e14cffe66fb/
He lives in Pakistan and charges $7.78/hour writing articles...

STILL WORRIED ?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on September 03, 2014, 03:23:55 PM
check this out before you buy yahoo based on alibaba going public http://www.techinsider.net/should-yahoo-inc-yhoo-be-worried-about-alibabas-new-competitor/1115038.html
Yea I saw that its ridiculous not a threat
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on September 04, 2014, 04:19:26 PM
Coincidence that Sep '14 is starting to look like Sep '12 for $AAPL?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on September 04, 2014, 04:44:59 PM
Coincidence that Sep '14 is starting to look like Sep '12 for $AAPL?

no coincidence at all. every time they release a new product the stock goes up. check the full history
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on September 05, 2014, 12:41:27 PM
CNBCnow: Correction: Shares of Alibaba will price on Thursday, Sept. 18th & begin trading on Friday, Sept. 19th
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on September 05, 2014, 03:08:18 PM
I think its the right time buying PCLN
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mountain Man on September 07, 2014, 11:48:27 AM
I think its the right time buying PCLN

What's your basis for the opinion? Just curious.

I still think PEIX has room to run considering very low corn and sugar prices and stubbornly high oil prices. It's still trading at a PE of 7 or so and I think the stock can easily hit 30.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on September 07, 2014, 02:55:05 PM
It had a nice pull back because the fear it will not continue its contract with AA like orbits did, since orbits settled pcln shouldn't have that issue with AA. With all analyst covering the stock no one has a sell rating they all have a target price of atleast 1350 some even have a 12 months target at $1700
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eli1571 on September 08, 2014, 01:49:59 PM
Coincidence that Sep '14 is starting to look like Sep '12 for $AAPL?

you think its gonna keep going down ?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on September 08, 2014, 02:32:50 PM
you think its gonna keep going down ?

AAPL is a bit pricey, not a value play at all anymore.
And a company that size you don't expect to be a major growth play either.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on September 08, 2014, 02:50:27 PM
AAPL is a bit pricey, not a value play at all anymore.
And a company that size you don't expect to be a major growth play either.
+1 I agree
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on September 08, 2014, 03:54:40 PM
Im liking yhoo and fb

+1
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on September 08, 2014, 05:26:01 PM

you think its gonna keep going down ?
Tomorrow - unless some really unexpected stuff are released, like a TV - $AAPL ends in the red. (yes that's a prediction!).

After that, all will depend on the first reports on how the new "stuff" are selling, (typically released on the Monday after the (usual) Friday launch when the "stuff" go on sale,

Until that Monday? Probably flat-to-down.

After that Monday? Well, earnings in October.

That's my prediction.. Anybody wants to challenge?

Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on September 08, 2014, 09:12:00 PM
Tomorrow - unless some really unexpected stuff are released, like a TV - $AAPL ends in the red. (yes that's a prediction!).

After that, all will depend on the first reports on how the new "stuff" are selling, (typically released on the Monday after the (usual) Friday launch when the "stuff" go on sale,

Until that Monday? Probably flat-to-down.

After that Monday? Well, earnings in October.

That's my prediction.. Anybody wants to challenge?

 I disagree with you. For tomorrow I think AAPL May or may not  shock us. Tomorrow AAPL will very possibly rise to $102. I just spoke to someone who's friend's brother works in apple and knows whats happening tomorrow. He obviously can't tell anybody. But when he was asked whats happening he said something will come out that both you and I will want.
Just saying........
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on September 08, 2014, 09:27:21 PM

I disagree with you. For tomorrow I think AAPL May or may not  shock us. Tomorrow AAPL will very possibly rise to $102. I just spoke to someone who's friend's brother works in apple and knows whats happening tomorrow. He obviously can't tell anybody. But when he was asked whats happening he said something will come out that both you and I will want.
Just saying........
So I know someone who spoke to someone Who's friend's brother works at apple? Nice.

But I believe I said that if they REALLY surprise us tomorrow, the stock WILL go up, didn't i?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on September 08, 2014, 09:33:42 PM
So I know someone who spoke to someone Who's friend's brother works at apple? Nice.

But I believe I said that if they REALLY surprise us tomorrow, the stock WILL go up, didn't i?

True but you Sound very skeptical that it might happen. I'm trying to say it's possible and maybe very possible that they will surprise us. I guess i should've worded my post differently.
Although I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on September 08, 2014, 09:36:58 PM

True but you Sound very skeptical that it might happen. I'm trying to say it's possible and maybe very possible that they will surprise us. I guess i should've worded my post differently.
Although I could be wrong.
That apple worker is probably referring to the iWatch, and I don't think that the release itself will punch the stock one way or the other, until the actual results as to how they're doing comes in,

But why speculate now, let's wait another 16 hours and we shall see.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on September 08, 2014, 09:41:10 PM
That apple worker is probably referring to the iWatch, and I don't think that the release itself will punch the stock one way or the other, until the actual results as to how they're doing comes in,

But why speculate now, let's wait another 16 hours and we shall see.

I can't wait untill tomorrow  :).
But I have a feeling it just might be something better than that. Or an Iwatch that has really cool stuff.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on September 08, 2014, 11:02:19 PM
But I believe I said that if they REALLY surprise us tomorrow, the stock WILL go up, didn't i?

That's a pretty bold prediction.

My prediction: If it rains tomorrow, sales of umbrellas will go up.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on September 08, 2014, 11:18:35 PM

That's a pretty bold prediction.

My prediction: If it rains tomorrow, sales of umbrellas will go up.
Huh? That's actually quite the opposite of what I said..

What I said is that the stock will likely end red despite the event (aka: Rain) taking place tomorrow,
Check out the original "prediction"...

Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on September 08, 2014, 11:24:43 PM
Huh? That's actually quite the opposite of what I said..

What I said is that the stock will likely end red despite the event (aka: Rain) taking place tomorrow,
Check out the original "prediction"...

Failed reading comprehension?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on September 09, 2014, 12:01:00 AM

Failed reading comprehension?
On my side?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on September 09, 2014, 12:15:11 AM
stop bickering!!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: caliheat on September 09, 2014, 02:13:25 AM
Analysts raised 12 month outlook to $127, giving a proposed 25%+ increase on current value.
AAPL will always reign!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on September 09, 2014, 08:13:24 AM
Analysts raised 12 month outlook to $127, giving a proposed 25%+ increase on current value.
AAPL will always reign!

It's up almost 1% in pre market hrs. And this is only the beginning.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on September 09, 2014, 09:04:50 AM
$GTAT (the sapphire glass maker) is up almost 3%, might be a good stock to short, not too many reports (as of late) that the iPhone 6 will be sapphire
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: stmark on September 09, 2014, 09:10:13 AM
Is there a way to watch cnbc online for free while at work?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mountain Man on September 09, 2014, 09:33:18 AM
Is there a way to watch cnbc online for free while at work?

If you have cable or satellite (or know someone that does) you can log in. Otherwise they have a bunch of selected clips.

Bloomberg radio is always free and I find you get much better market info there anyway.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: stmark on September 09, 2014, 09:56:08 AM
thank you.

I also found this link:
http://www.giniko.com/watch.php?id=69

does not require sign in or login to watch.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on September 09, 2014, 10:29:18 AM
Analysts raised 12 month outlook to $127, giving a proposed 25%+ increase on current value.
AAPL will always reign!

And just last year when I bought at 60 (425 pre-split) all those same analysts were saying to stay away from AAPL.
I don't ignore the analysts, I just do the exact opposite of what they say.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mountain Man on September 09, 2014, 11:27:44 AM
thank you.

I also found this link:
http://www.giniko.com/watch.php?id=69

does not require sign in or login to watch.

Thanks for the link. I think it is for CNBC Europe. The CNBC in my office is showing a different commentator.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on September 09, 2014, 12:06:43 PM

Thanks for the link. I think it is for CNBC Europe. The CNBC in my office is showing a different commentator.
It is CNBC Europe..
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/09/09/40472e963b94d8829a3350af88146c39.jpg)
But it's already back to regular US programming, looks like they have their own closing bell hour which ended 12ET US time.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on September 09, 2014, 12:10:37 PM
And just last year when I bought at 60 (425 pre-split) all those same analysts were saying to stay away from AAPL.
I don't ignore the analysts, I just do the exact opposite of what they say.

I think we can all be analysts ! :)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: caliheat on September 09, 2014, 12:12:54 PM
And just last year when I bought at 60 (425 pre-split) all those same analysts were saying to stay away from AAPL.
I don't ignore the analysts, I just do the exact opposite of what they say.
Well, it's obvious when they say "stay away" that it's an incorrect observation.
I just got back in last week and have no regrets!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on September 09, 2014, 03:11:27 PM
Tomorrow - unless some really unexpected stuff are released, like a TV - $AAPL ends in the red. (yes that's a prediction!).

After that, all will depend on the first reports on how the new "stuff" are selling, (typically released on the Monday after the (usual) Friday launch when the "stuff" go on sale,

Until that Monday? Probably flat-to-down.

After that Monday? Well, earnings in October.

That's my prediction.. Anybody wants to challenge?

So far prediction looks good
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on September 09, 2014, 03:12:20 PM
Can someone explain why AAPL is suddenly 1.30% in the red?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on September 09, 2014, 03:13:35 PM
Can someone explain why AAPL is suddenly 1.30% in the red?
No huge surprises in the keynote
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: avrumy22 on September 09, 2014, 03:14:49 PM
Can someone explain why AAPL is suddenly 1.30% in the red?

been like that the past few releases. then by holiday season when they show strong sales it goes back up.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on September 09, 2014, 03:17:15 PM

So far prediction looks good
Yes it does..

And this one too..

$GTAT (the sapphire glass maker) is up almost 3%, might be a good stock to short, not too many reports (as of late) that the iPhone 6 will be sapphire

(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/09/09/ced92104fc3abeff7862156d951dbdd5.jpg)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on September 09, 2014, 03:20:17 PM
Yes it does..

And this one too..

(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/09/09/ced92104fc3abeff7862156d951dbdd5.jpg)
Yikes didnt see that
Title: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on September 09, 2014, 04:46:07 PM
$GTAT (the sapphire glass maker) is up almost 3%, might be a good stock to short, not too many reports (as of late) that the iPhone 6 will be sapphire
Win!
That apple worker is probably referring to the iWatch, and I don't think that the release itself will punch the stock one way or the other, until the actual results as to how they're doing comes in,

But why speculate now, let's wait another 16 hours and we shall see.
Win!

To be honest though, not sure if I'd knew about the stunning beauty of ApplePay beforehand, i'd predict what I predicted... I mean the fact alone that Apple is aiming an industry that in 2012 (in the US alone) totaled a whooping $2.48 trillion in transactions(!) is HUGE.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on September 10, 2014, 01:20:00 PM
$GTAT (the sapphire glass maker) is up almost 3%, might be a good stock to short, not too many reports (as of late) that the iPhone 6 will be sapphire
@MarketWatch: $GTAT down 15% after Apple confirmed sapphire glass won't be used in the new iPhone 6: on.mktw.net/1xJwEt3  (http://on.mktw.net/1xJwEt3)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on September 10, 2014, 01:38:41 PM
@MarketWatch: $GTAT down 15% after Apple confirmed sapphire glass won't be used in the new iPhone 6: on.mktw.net/1xJwEt3  (http://on.mktw.net/1xJwEt3)

And now NETE up 130%. For apple pay.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mountain Man on September 10, 2014, 01:51:04 PM
And now NETE up 130%. For apple pay.

How does NETE benefit from the news? Couldn't AAPL just buy them out since the market cap is so small?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on September 10, 2014, 01:54:58 PM

How does NETE benefit from the news? Couldn't AAPL just buy them out since the market cap is so small?
Maybe AAPL would have to pay now +130% to buy them, cuz their value went up 130% since the announcement yesterday?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mountain Man on September 10, 2014, 02:01:18 PM
Maybe but I would've thought that if AAPL had any interest in them then they would've been bought out way before yesterday's announcement. AAPL is kind of trigger happy when it comes to buying out small companies. I think NETE is jumping on noise. I'm not a day trader so I'm going to sit this one out.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eli1571 on September 11, 2014, 11:27:28 AM
any input on FST ?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Sowhat on September 11, 2014, 02:55:55 PM
Yahoo has updated their stock charts and they stink.  Any sites for simple charting, mostly for comparisons among different funds?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on September 11, 2014, 03:33:41 PM
Yahoo has updated their stock charts and they stink.  Any sites for simple charting, mostly for comparisons among different funds?

Doesn't google finance have that feature?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Sowhat on September 11, 2014, 09:40:54 PM
They revamped it.  I don't like it.  I think Marketwatch was ok.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on September 13, 2014, 11:11:16 PM
What do people think about Alibaba?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on September 16, 2014, 03:32:13 PM
Looks like Google Finance is frozen since 2:42.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: stmark on September 18, 2014, 11:24:47 AM
Alibaba (baba) day is finally here!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on September 18, 2014, 11:28:32 AM
Alibaba (baba) day is finally here!
When is it scheduled to begin trading?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on September 18, 2014, 01:22:32 PM
Alibaba (baba) day is finally here!

finalyyyy
i have been waiting on this day since 09/04/2013
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on September 18, 2014, 01:26:35 PM
finalyyyy
i have been waiting on this day since 09/04/2013
?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on September 18, 2014, 03:24:28 PM
When is it scheduled to begin trading?

tomorrow.
GL buying.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: good sam on September 18, 2014, 08:28:43 PM
Great buying opportunity in BCLI (temporarily trading under BCLID).  Should be trading on nasdaq soon.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Vosizderneias on September 18, 2014, 08:30:52 PM

Great buying opportunity in BCLI (temporarily trading under BCLID).  Should be trading on nasdaq soon.
any specific reason?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on September 18, 2014, 08:37:16 PM
Great buying opportunity in BCLI (temporarily trading under BCLID).  Should be trading on nasdaq soon.
This is Lebowitz, no?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on September 18, 2014, 09:21:05 PM
Bclid is an israel firm that the government supported tremendously a lot financially. I'm in already a couple of months.And have been following them closely
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on September 18, 2014, 09:22:30 PM
finalyyyy
i have been waiting on this day since 09/04/2013
?
[/quote]
That's when I took my position on yhoo at $27
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Am on September 18, 2014, 10:41:28 PM
Great buying opportunity in BCLI (temporarily trading under BCLID).  Should be trading on nasdaq soon.

BCLI

I started looking into this stock after all the news articles in the local Jewish weeklys about R' Shmulevitz.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/upcoming-key-clinical-data-catalyst-174201443.html

Anyone watching this one?
It was recommended here 2 years ago and there's been almost no change in price. It has a lot of potential upside but this is for a patient investor
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on September 18, 2014, 11:12:29 PM
+1
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on September 19, 2014, 11:03:09 AM
When is it scheduled to begin trading?
Bump.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on September 19, 2014, 11:04:27 AM

Bump.
IINM 11:30, but it'll probably be delayed
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: damaxer91 on September 19, 2014, 11:05:30 AM
Gonna open close to $95
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on September 19, 2014, 11:08:27 AM
IINM 11:30, but it'll probably be delayed
Like FB? (remember?)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on September 19, 2014, 11:32:35 AM
live coverage

http://www.investarygroup.com/real-time-analysis
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on September 19, 2014, 11:55:05 AM
$92.70 wow
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/09/19/cf3e11590c83501732a1de95e3782e6e.jpg)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on September 19, 2014, 12:01:05 PM
$92.70 wow
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/09/19/cf3e11590c83501732a1de95e3782e6e.jpg)
Yah, my order for $92 didn't go through.....
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on September 19, 2014, 12:01:16 PM
gonna reach $100???
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on September 19, 2014, 12:02:12 PM
And now it's going down the hill..
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on September 19, 2014, 12:03:44 PM
And now it's going down the hill..
probably gonna go down to the $80's.  every IPO the same
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 19, 2014, 12:14:47 PM
$92.70 wow
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/09/19/cf3e11590c83501732a1de95e3782e6e.jpg)
To good to be true. 
Alibaba is not Apple or google, too big
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on September 19, 2014, 12:26:18 PM

To good to be true. 
Alibaba is not Apple or google, too big
It's all about the new trend.. China is the new "the sky is the limit" + an overly ambitious CEO with huge plans, who knows...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: coralsnake on September 19, 2014, 12:56:29 PM
probably gonna go down to the $80's.  every IPO the same
maybe recent IPOs

I bought Visa (V) on it's IPO day for $68 back in 08. Was the biggest IPO to date at the time and a bear market.

It did pretty well out of the gate and I haven't looked back. And that was before MS with visa gift cards :D

Still own those shares. Only picked up 50 but I'll take it.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on September 19, 2014, 12:56:46 PM
finalyyyy
i have been waiting on this day since 09/04/2013
(המקום ימלא לך חסרונך (וחסרוני
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on September 19, 2014, 01:01:52 PM
maybe recent IPOs

I bought Visa (V) on it's IPO day for $68 back in 08. Was the biggest IPO to date at the time and a bear market.

It did pretty well out of the gate and I haven't looked back. And that was before MS with visa gift cards :D

Still own those shares. Only picked up 50 but I'll take it.
i was referring to short term. very volatile. check back within the next few weeks
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: coralsnake on September 19, 2014, 01:32:44 PM
i was referring to short term. very volatile. check back within the next few weeks
My point was that V did really well right out of the gate.
http://www.sfgate.com/business/article/Visa-shares-soar-after-biggest-U-S-IPO-ever-3290871.php

I just checked and I actually paid $58.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: good sam on September 24, 2014, 12:16:14 PM
Sell Rosh Hashana buy Yom Kippur?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on September 24, 2014, 12:40:36 PM
probably gonna go down to the $80's.  every IPO the same
bump!!!!     ;)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on September 24, 2014, 04:14:58 PM
bump!!!!     ;)
$90.57 :P:P
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: lelee on September 25, 2014, 12:18:16 PM
maybe recent IPOs

I bought Visa (V) on it's IPO day for $68 back in 08. Was the biggest IPO to date at the time and a bear market.

It did pretty well out of the gate and I haven't looked back. And that was before MS with visa gift cards :D

Still own those shares. Only picked up 50 but I'll take it.

A friend bought 1 share of Berkshire @ $3300 in 1988 and still has it today. Hes sitting on a goldmine. Last quote it was trading @ 207,100 per shr.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on September 27, 2014, 10:42:19 PM
$90.57 :P:P
Its a roller coaster...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mark F on September 28, 2014, 06:03:22 PM
I'm considering buying about $500 worth of shares... Any recommendations which company to buy into?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on September 28, 2014, 06:12:09 PM
I'm considering buying about $500 worth of shares... Any recommendations which company to buy into?
With $500 there isn't really much room for profit, if you wanna do it just for the fun of it you would probably play with rather riskier companies -penny stocks, low capped companies- cause that more fun.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: sillypainter on September 28, 2014, 06:12:49 PM
I'm considering buying about $500 worth of shares... Any recommendations which company to buy into?

Best way to avoid paying commissions and you're not trading daily would be to look into computershare.com.

You can consider any of the 4 categories you like

Food
Technology
Transporation
Energy

ETA: if somebody would invest $500 in Apple stock in 1998 they would have today over $150 K.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: lubaby on September 28, 2014, 06:16:31 PM
I'm considering buying about $500 worth of shares... Any recommendations which company to buy into?
Buy a Bitcoin, wait for it to go up.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mark F on September 28, 2014, 06:18:10 PM
With $500 there isn't really much room for profit, if you wanna do it just for the fun of it you would probably play with rather riskier companies -penny stocks, low capped companies- cause that more fun.

I kinda wanna do it for the fun but at the same time it's only fun if your making money!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on September 28, 2014, 08:09:16 PM
With $500 there isn't really much room for profit, if you wanna do it just for the fun of it you would probably play with rather riskier companies -penny stocks, low capped companies- cause that more fun.

What about 2k?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: coralsnake on September 28, 2014, 09:02:47 PM
A friend bought 1 share of Berkshire @ $3300 in 1988 and still has it today. Hes sitting on a goldmine. Last quote it was trading @ 207,100 per shr.
a few years ago I got really tired of hearing "if you'd only bought one share of Berkshire in 19xx..." So I actually bought a share. Berkshires fundamentals are still great.
Couldnt afford the class A shares but bought one of the class B shares in my IRA.
Bought for 4355 and regretted it for the year or 2 after when it went down. But I knew I was in for the long term.
That share is now worth $6934 today. (Class B shares Had a 50-for-1 split in 2010).
And thus my new "buy and hold" strategy was born.
I also own one share of goog that's about where I bought it a few years back.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: stmark on September 29, 2014, 10:52:40 AM
Does the ridiculous run of GoPro cause anyone else to consider shorting it?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: wierdal832 on September 29, 2014, 11:01:59 AM

Does the ridiculous run of GoPro cause anyone else to consider shorting it?
Hard to get a short. And if u do its gona b expensive.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mountain Man on September 29, 2014, 11:47:49 AM
Does the ridiculous run of GoPro cause anyone else to consider shorting it?
Yes but the shares are hard to borrow and the puts are ridiculously expensive. But then again I thought it was way over priced at $50 a share.

Also, there is no put/call parity which is weird because it has been public for 3 months already. You can do a bear call spread but your short leg would probably get exercised way before expiration. I think it's going up because it is just too expensive to go short right now.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Emkay on September 29, 2014, 06:33:00 PM
Thoughts on Dave and busters?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: itsallgood on September 29, 2014, 07:41:10 PM
Hey everyone I have a question that I've been thinking for a while.

If I'm investing my money, does it make any sense at all to invest it as a business?
Let me explain. Say I'm a yeshiva student and I don't have any income. I register for a business (a la DansDeals Chase Business cc) and then register an account with Charles Schwab under that business name, investing my money through that. This way I can, perhaps, avoid some tax issues, as well as, open an IRA or a 401k or something.

Does any of this make any sense? Can you see this as possibly beneficial?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on September 29, 2014, 07:41:52 PM
Thoughts on Dave and busters?

got an email from them offering access to the ipo. if anyone wants pm me their email and I can forward the link.

They are offering it through loyal3.com which looking at seems like a very interesting way to buy stocks. anyone here use them? also it seems you can fund through a credit card. does anyone know if that would be considered a cash advance?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: itsallgood on September 29, 2014, 07:44:07 PM
a few years ago I got really tired of hearing "if you'd only bought one share of Berkshire in 19xx..." So I actually bought a share. Berkshires fundamentals are still great.
Couldnt afford the class A shares but bought one of the class B shares in my IRA.
Bought for 4355 and regretted it for the year or 2 after when it went down. But I knew I was in for the long term.
That share is now worth $6934 today. (Class B shares Had a 50-for-1 split in 2010).
And thus my new "buy and hold" strategy was born.
I also own one share of goog that's about where I bought it a few years back.

That's awesome! Isn't the buy and hold strategy what most intelligent investing advisors would tell you to do, no?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: sillypainter on September 29, 2014, 07:51:54 PM
Hey everyone I have a question that I've been thinking for a while.

If I'm investing my money, does it make any sense at all to invest it as a business?
Let me explain. Say I'm a yeshiva student and I don't have any income. I register for a business (a la DansDeals Chase Business cc) and then register an account with Charles Schwab under that business name, investing my money through that. This way I can, perhaps, avoid some tax issues, as well as, open an IRA or a 401k or something.

Does any of this make any sense? Can you see this as possibly beneficial?

False thinking. A typical corporation is an S corporation which all profit goes on your personal tax return. A C corporation is a separate entity, but you're double taxed. Not sure what you want to gain.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 29, 2014, 08:16:46 PM
Hey everyone I have a question that I've been thinking for a while.

If I'm investing my money, does it make any sense at all to invest it as a business?
Let me explain. Say I'm a yeshiva student and I don't have any income. I register for a business (a la DansDeals Chase Business cc) and then register an account with Charles Schwab under that business name, investing my money through that. This way I can, perhaps, avoid some tax issues, as well as, open an IRA or a 401k or something.

Does any of this make any sense? Can you see this as possibly beneficial?
If you are seriously investing and need advice on good tax strategies, consult a professional.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on September 29, 2014, 10:57:48 PM
That's awesome! Isn't the buy and hold strategy what most intelligent investing advisors would tell you to do, no?
Yup. Thats basically the difference between a trader and an investor
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Emkay on September 30, 2014, 01:48:28 AM
got an email from them offering access to the ipo. if anyone wants pm me their email and I can forward the link.

They are offering it through loyal3.com which looking at seems like a very interesting way to buy stocks. anyone here use them? also it seems you can fund through a credit card. does anyone know if that would be considered a cash advance?
Its not a Cash advance and there are limits, there is a thread here on it
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: mercaz1 on September 30, 2014, 09:48:53 AM
I also got the email from dave and busters
anyone have idea if they will do well
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Emkay on September 30, 2014, 06:15:08 PM
I also got the email from dave and busters
anyone have idea if they will do well
Probably not, the money raised is going to pay off a fifth of their debt, not to improve anything
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: itsallgood on October 01, 2014, 12:17:25 PM
False thinking. A typical corporation is an S corporation which all profit goes on your personal tax return. A C corporation is a separate entity, but you're double taxed. Not sure what you want to gain.
I do not fully know what an S or C corporation is but I would look into (and consult a professional) but I understand what you're saying in terms of the taxes. I probably should've opened an IRA instead. Now I have to pay taxes on all dividends.

Thanks your help all.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on October 01, 2014, 12:21:59 PM
I do not fully know what an S or C corporation is but I would look into (and consult a professional) but I understand what you're saying in terms of the taxes. I probably should've opened an IRA instead. Now I have to pay taxes on all dividends.

Thanks your help all.

its not too late. either way if you can get some income on the books it may be even more worthwhile to open an ira/rothira and get the savers credit.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: good sam on October 01, 2014, 12:42:32 PM
Bclid is an israel firm that the government supported tremendously a lot financially. I'm in already a couple of months.And have been following them closely
BCLI now trading on NASDAQ
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mountain Man on October 01, 2014, 03:56:56 PM
its not too late. either way if you can get some income on the books it may be even more worthwhile to open an ira/rothira and get the savers credit.
+1 The savers credit on the Roth IRA is amazing. Basically you get a tax credit to put money into an account that will never pay taxes (assuming the laws aren't changed). The kicker is that if you have a low enough income for the full savers credit you probably aren't paying much in taxes anyway. Plus with a Roth you can withdraw principle whenever you want and earnings for qualified expenses like purchase of a home, education or healthcare.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on October 01, 2014, 08:02:42 PM
+1 The savers credit on the Roth IRA is amazing. Basically you get a tax credit to put money into an account that will never pay taxes (assuming the laws aren't changed). The kicker is that if you have a low enough income for the full savers credit you probably aren't paying much in taxes anyway. Plus with a Roth you can withdraw principle whenever you want and earnings for qualified expenses like purchase of a home, education or healthcare.

I consider it like an instant 50% (or 10% ROI) with the only downside being the ira/rothira or 401k/roth401k limitations
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on October 02, 2014, 10:06:34 AM
Does the ridiculous run of GoPro cause anyone else to consider shorting it?
Short sellers circling $GPRO: about 8.5 million shares are now held short on.mktw.net/1rMEH3D (http://on.mktw.net/1rMEH3D)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on October 06, 2014, 11:20:42 AM
WOW !!
GTAT filing chapter 11
down 99%
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on October 06, 2014, 11:26:21 AM

WOW !!
GTAT filing chapter 11
down 99%
Wow.
Jim Cramer is so foolish.
Lol!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on October 06, 2014, 11:48:45 AM
$GTAT (the sapphire glass maker) is up almost 3%, might be a good stock to short, not too many reports (as of late) that the iPhone 6 will be sapphire


Win!
+90%
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on October 06, 2014, 11:50:11 AM

+90%
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: stmark on October 06, 2014, 01:09:27 PM
Wow.
Jim Cramer is so foolish.
Lol!

what was Cramers call?
Title: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on October 06, 2014, 01:24:49 PM
what was Cramers call?
He had a buy recommendation on it,

and he's now in spin mode... (https://mobile.twitter.com/jimcramer/tweets)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: everythinghjosh on October 06, 2014, 02:08:55 PM
Trade king is a great safe place to buy and sell stocks. They are currently offering a $50 sign up bonus for new customers (if you email me, I will send you the link to sign up and I'll get $50 too- hebs89@gmail.com). They charge below market price per trade- $4.95.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on October 06, 2014, 03:12:21 PM
what was Cramers call?

I hate all these analysts so are so dumb. I followed one stock and every 3 days they changed their opinion on a stock.
The only way to invest is with Benjamin Graham's method.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on October 06, 2014, 08:41:58 PM
I hate all these analysts so are so dumb. I followed one stock and every 3 days they changed their opinion on a stock.
The only way to invest is with Benjamin Graham's method.

+100
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on October 06, 2014, 09:24:26 PM
"Buy as the market goes down and sell as it goes up and becomes overvalued!!"
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on October 06, 2014, 09:26:30 PM

"Buy as the market goes down and sell as it goes up and becomes overvalued!!"
Hmmm.. In line with Benjamin Graham's method?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on October 06, 2014, 10:35:57 PM
Hmmm.. In line with Benjamin Graham's method?

Correct that's my point, and why i added " "
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on October 07, 2014, 01:51:52 PM
Who bought $GTAT yesterday??
I had in mind to.. But that's about it... Now I'm sitting and pulling my hair
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on October 07, 2014, 02:31:18 PM
Just some advice. Never buy the next HOT thing on the market. Buy good companies that are run well.......
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: stmark on October 07, 2014, 02:40:40 PM
Just some advice. Never buy the next HOT thing on the market. Buy good companies that are run well.......
10 years ago google was the next HOT thing on the market...people did pretty good with that one.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on October 07, 2014, 02:46:24 PM
10 years ago google was the next HOT thing on the market...people did pretty good with that one.

Because it is/was a good company that is/was run well.

which brings us to a dilemma

Just some advice. Never buy the next HOT thing on the market. Buy good companies that are run well.......

What happens if its both hot and good?!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on October 07, 2014, 02:54:58 PM
10 years ago google was the next HOT thing on the market...people did pretty good with that one.

You know people always say lets by BABA and all these companies that have just been listed. Lets buy the next Microsoft because if you would've bought $1000 worth of shares when it came out you wouldn't have to work another day in your life. They have made studies certain years if you would've bought all these new IPO's you would've been down %25 more than the average market.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on October 07, 2014, 02:56:28 PM
It's not a problem to buy the next hottest thing on the market. It's just like gambling and the house usually wins (the stock broker)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: wierdal832 on October 07, 2014, 03:19:57 PM

I also got the email from dave and busters
anyone have idea if they will do well
the ipo is in pretty good shape. If your able to get in at the ipo price, I would.
Title: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on October 07, 2014, 07:17:43 PM
Interesting...
$GTAT CEO sold his entire remaining $GTAT stake ONE day before the iPhone 6 [not having sapphire glass] was announced... (http://m.wsj.com/articles/BL-DGB-38100)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on October 23, 2014, 02:27:58 PM
Anybody getting some AMZN before the close?
Hope they won't disappoint us this time (well, after dumping AP they better be in better shape :)) ).
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on October 23, 2014, 02:38:34 PM
I was actually thinking of buying some Union Pacific before the bell yesterday......
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on October 23, 2014, 04:17:35 PM
Hope they won't disappoint us this time (well, after dumping AP they better be in better shape :)) ).
There you go again !!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on October 23, 2014, 04:28:42 PM
There you go again !!

I don't think people thought they would surprise anyone.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on October 23, 2014, 04:42:50 PM
There you go again !!
so now is time to buy?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on October 23, 2014, 05:07:33 PM
so now is time to buy?

I don't think so. They have been loosing money for several quarters and don't expect a major improvement in the next quarter. Although do as you wish. There are better stocks to go for.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on October 23, 2014, 05:20:52 PM
I don't think so. They have been loosing money for several quarters and don't expect a major improvement in the next quarter. Although do as you wish. There are better stocks to go for.

wanna share some ideas?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on October 23, 2014, 05:30:00 PM
wanna share some ideas?

I am not a professional investor nor would I feel comfortable giving ideas being that you may loose money.
Go to your local library and ask them for Value Line. It's pretty trustworthy and they have different portfolio's you can choose from (aggressive investors,conservative investors....) Just because they suggest doesn't mean you will make money, you may loose alot and then gain in several months or you may never gain. Bottom line you have to do your own research and make your own decisions, don't trust anybody.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on October 23, 2014, 05:32:02 PM
I am not a professional investor nor would I feel comfortable giving ideas being that you may loose money.
Go to your local library and ask them for Value Line. It's pretty trustworthy and they have different portfolio's you can choose from (aggressive investors,conservative investors....) You have to do your own research and make your own decisions.
i understand, that why i wrote ideas, not recommendations ;)
but thanks for the info
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on October 23, 2014, 05:33:27 PM
i understand, that why i wrote ideas, not recommendations ;)

One of the stocks I own is apple, I bought it a while ago. However they just released earnings and the stock has shot up.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Emkay on October 23, 2014, 06:20:26 PM


One of the stocks I own is apple, I bought it a while ago. However they just released earnings and the stock has shot up.
That's not called "shot up"
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on October 23, 2014, 06:23:18 PM
That's not called "shot up"

it went from $98 to $104 leading up to and the day after.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: EJB on October 23, 2014, 06:30:35 PM

One of the stocks I own is apple, I bought it a while ago. However they just released earnings and the stock has shot up.

Don't mention Apple. Was forced to sell after taking a job due to conflict of interest at around then 400... Would be around 10k richer had they not been anal. 
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: stmark on October 23, 2014, 10:07:08 PM
I was actually thinking of buying some Union Pacific before the bell yesterday......

Csx and nsc are not far off based on p/e.

Pfe just announced a huge buyback might be worth a look.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on October 23, 2014, 10:30:31 PM
I shorted amzn after hours at 192 and covered at 175
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on October 23, 2014, 10:44:33 PM
I shorted amzn after hours at 192 and covered at 175
I know what the concept of shorting is but I don't know how to actually do it, would it be difficult for you to explain it to me?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: tzvicoco on October 23, 2014, 11:06:18 PM
I'm pretty happy with my purchase of Crumbs at 0.13...  ::)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on October 23, 2014, 11:28:29 PM
I know what the concept of shorting is but I don't know how to actually do it, would it be difficult for you to explain it to me?

Its really very simple, on etrade when placing an order, you have 4options : buy,sell,sell short and buy to cover.

When for example stock is at $100 and you believe it will drop you place a 'sell short ' order. If you were successful and stock dropped to $95 that's when you enter 'buy to cover'order .
If you were unlucky and stock hits at $105 you still have the choice to 'buy to cover' at a loss of $5/ share. Basically when placing the short you want to be as high as possible.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on October 23, 2014, 11:49:58 PM
Its really very simple, on etrade when placing an order, you have 4options : buy,sell,sell short and buy to cover.

When for example stock is at $100 and you believe it will drop you place a 'sell short ' order. If you were successful and stock dropped to $95 that's when you enter 'buy to cover'order .
If you were unlucky and stock hits at $105 you still have the choice to 'buy to cover' at a loss of $5/ share. Basically when placing the short you want to be as high as possible.
Thanks, just logged in to my Scottrade account and saw those 4 options,

I'm general, don't you feel it's riskier to short then to buy?
I somehow have the feeling even if it goes down it will/might still catch back up, but if it rises then there are lesser chances it should fall much,
I might be very wrong but that's my feeling..
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Palm5 on October 24, 2014, 12:01:14 AM
Thanks, just logged in to my Scottrade account and saw those 4 options,

I'm general, don't you feel it's riskier to short then to buy?
I somehow have the feeling even if it goes down it will/might still catch back up, but if it rises then there are lesser chances it should fall much,
I might be very wrong but that's my feeling..

Stay away from stocks unless you have money to blow. If you feel so desperate to go into the stock market, take a couple of hundred bucks and go to AC.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Palm5 on October 24, 2014, 12:04:02 AM
I shorted amzn after hours at 192 and covered at 175

You're referring to 2012 I hope, unless you have some black box system.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on October 24, 2014, 12:04:56 AM

Thanks, just logged in to my Scottrade account and saw those 4 options,

I'm general, don't you feel it's riskier to short then to buy?
I somehow have the feeling even if it goes down it will/might still catch back up, but if it rises then there are lesser chances it should fall much,
I might be very wrong but that's my feeling..
+100
And it's not your feeling it's actually a fact.

As Mr. Buffet always says (Generally speaking) At the end of the day markets go up, the market will be higher in ten years from now regardless what happens until then , the same way markets are now higher v 10 years ago regardless what happened.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Palm5 on October 24, 2014, 12:07:13 AM
+100
And it's not your feeling it's actually a fact.

As Mr. Buffet always says (Generally speaking) At the end of the day markets go up, the market will be higher in ten years from now regardless what happens until then , the same way markets are now higher v 10 years ago regardless what happened.

That's inflation
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on October 24, 2014, 12:10:20 AM

That's inflation
Huh?
$AAPL's growth v 10 years ago, IS INFLATION?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Am on October 24, 2014, 09:24:26 AM
Thanks, just logged in to my Scottrade account and saw those 4 options,

I'm general, don't you feel it's riskier to short then to buy?
I somehow have the feeling even if it goes down it will/might still catch back up, but if it rises then there are lesser chances it should fall much,
I might be very wrong but that's my feeling..
also, it's riskier because the risk vs reward is not even. The max you can profit is limited to if the stock goes to zero. However the potential loss is much worse because there is no limit to how high the stock jump.
this is obvious but I'm spelling it out anyway
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on October 24, 2014, 01:37:20 PM
Thanks, just logged in to my Scottrade account and saw those 4 options,

I'm general, don't you feel it's riskier to short then to buy?
I somehow have the feeling even if it goes down it will/might still catch back up, but if it rises then there are lesser chances it should fall much,
I might be very wrong but that's my feeling..

shorting is a trade that 90% get covered within a very short period of time, its definitely not  the correct way of investing. pure speculation if you like the rush
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on October 24, 2014, 01:38:35 PM
You're referring to 2012 I hope, unless you have some black box system.

you're right !
 i actually meant that i shorted the stock at 292 (not 192) and covered 30 mins later at 275 (not 175) .
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: coralsnake on October 24, 2014, 01:45:33 PM
Stay away from stocks unless you have money to blow. If you feel so desperate to go into the stock market, take a couple of hundred bucks and go to AC.
-1
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: whacked1 on October 28, 2014, 09:20:12 AM
Who has Twitter?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: jjdassi18 on October 28, 2014, 08:41:31 PM
Thinking strongly about buying Twitter on the dip . Solid company with a increasing revenue just didn't live up to analyst who wanted much more user growth . In the long run it will go up ...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on October 28, 2014, 09:10:17 PM
What about Boeing?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on October 28, 2014, 09:21:28 PM
$ORB is on a big [...super-short-term sell-the-news kind of a...] downfall right now, following the explosion.

Might be a good stock to pick up tomorrow, for a very likely +5% jump on Thursday.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on October 29, 2014, 03:20:11 AM
their profits will have a huge impact with the euro dropping 10% this quarter.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: dsw193 on October 29, 2014, 03:01:55 PM
Is this normal for a day?
Is it like this everyday volatility wise? Or am I in the wrong places? I'm a complete noob when it comes to this. TIA
 (http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/10/29/eeaadfe8f893e2b20d9aba1f772436ce.jpg)
ETA: My positions: ( I selected moderately aggressive by portfolio)
VOO    13.6%
VWO    14.8%
SHY     4.95%
VNQ    21.86%
VB       25.27%
CORP 20.78%
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on October 29, 2014, 03:20:14 PM
Is this normal for a day?
Is it like this everyday volatility wise? Or am I in the wrong places? I'm a complete noob when it comes to this. TIA

ETA: My positions: ( I selected moderately aggressive by portfolio)
VOO    13.6%
VWO    14.8%
SHY     4.95%
VNQ    21.86%
VB       25.27%
CORP 20.78%

it looks pretty in line with the markets today
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on October 31, 2014, 01:57:44 PM
Re: amzn
so now is time to buy?
I don't think so. They have been loosing money for several quarters and don't expect a major improvement in the next quarter. Although do as you wish. There are better stocks to go for.
You gotta look at history a little.   Its back up to $303
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on November 03, 2014, 06:38:00 PM
I'm still holding on to $S I think the expectations can't get any lower, and I think they're going to hit a turning point somewhere in '15.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on November 04, 2014, 11:46:56 AM

I'm still holding on to $S I think the expectations can't get any lower, and I think they're going to hit a turning point somewhere in '15.
Just bought more $S @ 18% down.. #believing
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on November 04, 2014, 12:01:14 PM
Hmmm, should I trade my BABA for S?...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on November 04, 2014, 12:04:49 PM
Hmmm, should I trade my BABA for S?...
if you sell baba now wont you have high taxes because it was capital gains?  im trying to understand the taxes issue with stocks. please clarify  TIA
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on November 04, 2014, 12:07:55 PM
if you sell baba now wont you have high taxes because it was capital gains?  im trying to understand the taxes issue with stocks. please clarify  TIA
I hope you're not awaiting an answer from me cause I have no idea what these things mean, totally clueless...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on November 04, 2014, 12:09:10 PM
I hope you're not awaiting an answer from me cause I have no idea what these things mean, totally clueless...
if you buy and sell stocks shouldn't you understand the amount your making? if your gain was %20 but %15 goes to taxes...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Sport on November 04, 2014, 12:14:41 PM

if you buy and sell stocks shouldn't you understand the amount your making? if your gain was %20 but %15 goes to taxes...
Hence open an IRA.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on November 04, 2014, 12:15:48 PM
If you sell BABA now you will have to pay taxes on short term gains which I think is your regular income rate
if you wait till its long term (1 year from purchase) IIRC you only pay max of 15% rate
But obviously don't wait for the year if you can make more by selling earlier
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on November 04, 2014, 12:16:05 PM
if you buy and sell stocks shouldn't you understand the amount your making? if your gain was %20 but %15 goes to taxes...
The only thing I know is that I don't loss by earning money in stocks (sounds strange, huh?),

My accountant told me some people could earn a few thousand bucks but they don't know that they're losing out on some tax credits which is grater then what they earned, but by me that's not the case so I shouldn't worry about it, that's all I know...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on November 04, 2014, 12:18:03 PM
The only thing I know is that I don't loss by earning money in stocks (sounds strange, huh?),

My accountant told me some people could earn a few thousand bucks but they don't know that they're losing out on some tax credits which is grater then what they earned, but by me that's not the case so I shouldn't worry about it, that's all I know...
you should ask your accountant to explain the advantages between long term gains vs short term and if you should open an IRA
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on November 04, 2014, 12:18:34 PM
The only thing I know is that I don't loss by earning money in stocks (sounds strange, huh?),

My accountant told me some people could earn a few thousand bucks but they don't know that they're losing out on some tax credits which is grater then what they earned, but by me that's not the case so I shouldn't worry about it, that's all I know...
i wish thats the case by me.  i lost many tax credit for earning a few hundred bucks!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Emkay on November 04, 2014, 12:20:14 PM
Just bought more $S @ 18% down.. #believing
Whats $S
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on November 04, 2014, 12:20:56 PM
Whats $S
sprint
https://www.google.com/finance?q=s&ei=6ApZVKCANImZ9AbJk4DoBA
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on November 04, 2014, 12:57:33 PM
you should ask your accountant to explain the advantages between long term gains vs short term and if you should open an IRA
Thx for making me aware, I'll ask him.


i wish thats the case by me.  i lost many tax credit for earning a few hundred bucks!
:'(
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on November 04, 2014, 02:23:36 PM

Hmmm, should I trade my BABA for S?...
If (and that's one big 'if') you're gonna end up making a profit off $S, it's going to be only after a very long and scary up and down ride.. not as fast and certainly not as smooth, as $BABA..
So I'd say only trade it if you really understand and most importantly believe in $S
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on November 04, 2014, 03:05:23 PM
Just bought more $S @ 18% down.. #believing

by how much did you buy?   its now down a little more...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on November 04, 2014, 03:07:59 PM
by how much did you buy?   its now down a little more...
Just bought more $S @ 18% down.. #believing
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on November 04, 2014, 03:09:36 PM

gotcha. i misread. i thought you are just mentioning that it hit 18% down.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on November 04, 2014, 07:40:41 PM
if you buy and sell stocks shouldn't you understand the amount your making? if your gain was %20 but %15 goes to taxes...

15% of the 20% gain
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on November 04, 2014, 07:46:41 PM
i wish thats the case by me.  i lost many tax credit for earning a few hundred bucks!

i may have made the same mistake regarding the savers credit. don't have any losses to sell to offset. and had I just waited till 2015 it would have been better. actually that gives me a bit of a temptation to gamble on some earnings. if I win so more cash and if I lose I get my savers credit back. thanks for making me think about it!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on November 06, 2014, 01:45:01 PM
Just bought more $S @ 18% down.. #believing
  :'( :-[ :-\
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on November 06, 2014, 02:08:20 PM

  :'( :-[ :-\
Bump in the road .
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on November 06, 2014, 02:32:22 PM
Ditch in the road .
FTFY
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on November 06, 2014, 02:46:02 PM

FTFY
The deeper the ditch, the higher the return..
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on November 06, 2014, 03:00:45 PM
The deeper the ditch, the higher the return..
............  (saying a prayer)        ;)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on November 06, 2014, 03:08:06 PM

............  (saying a prayer)        ;)
Good! I just hope it's the same prayer I said while buying $AAPL @ $420.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on November 06, 2014, 03:14:29 PM
............  (saying a prayer)        ;)
... גם אני מצטרף
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on November 06, 2014, 11:21:17 PM
ok looking to make a gamble on an earning report before the end of the year. if it goes well great, if not I can sell and lower my agi to qualify for a credit I'm priced out of right now which would negate a lot of the loss (30% drop would end up only being a "10%" loss after the credit) although I could just put into an IRA to reduce my agi, (which I will anyways if gamble plays out nicely) I figure this is a good chance to take a risk.

Im thinking JCP.

Looking for any other recommendations with a potential high swing either way.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: stmark on November 07, 2014, 12:47:55 PM
ok looking to make a gamble on an earning report before the end of the year. if it goes well great, if not I can sell and lower my agi to qualify for a credit I'm priced out of right now which would negate a lot of the loss (30% drop would end up only being a "10%" loss after the credit) although I could just put into an IRA to reduce my agi, (which I will anyways if gamble plays out nicely) I figure this is a good chance to take a risk.

Im thinking JCP.

Looking for any other recommendations with a potential high swing either way.
JCP is in the adomah.  with the republican majority, im looking at CFG or BAC I think financials will do well. SWKS or NXPI are also looking good.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on November 07, 2014, 12:50:53 PM
JCP is in the adomah.  with the republican majority, im looking at CFG or BAC I think financials will do well. SWKS or NXPI are also looking good.

BAC doesn't even have an earnings before the end of the year. didn't check the others yet, but BAC is not what I am trying for as described above.

I still like BAC though!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on November 08, 2014, 06:10:21 PM
JCP is in the adomah.  with the republican majority, im looking at CFG or BAC I think financials will do well. SWKS or NXPI are also looking good.

BA,AAPL,WFC,QCOM
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on November 10, 2014, 04:59:38 AM
ok looking to make a gamble on an earning report before the end of the year. if it goes well great, if not I can sell and lower my agi to qualify for a credit I'm priced out of right now which would negate a lot of the loss (30% drop would end up only being a "10%" loss after the credit) although I could just put into an IRA to reduce my agi, (which I will anyways if gamble plays out nicely) I figure this is a good chance to take a risk.

Im thinking JCP.

Looking for any other recommendations with a potential high swing either way.

QIHU,FCEL,PLUG,TSL
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on November 12, 2014, 11:35:51 AM
QIHU,FCEL,PLUG,TSL
how about buying PLUG after the dip today
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on November 12, 2014, 11:51:11 AM
how about buying PLUG after the dip today

Almost bought yesterday. glad I didn't.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on November 12, 2014, 11:53:27 AM
how about buying PLUG after the dip today
They're coming from less then 1 dollar...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: caliheat on November 12, 2014, 12:39:18 PM
How about YHOO almost + 50% YTD
Long term
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on November 12, 2014, 12:44:07 PM
How about YHOO almost + 50% YTD
Long term
I got some a couple of weeks before the BABA ipo, its up 28%  8)

Probably I think its going to be the biggest IPO ever
you can always invest in yahoo they own 23% or softbank 34%
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on November 12, 2014, 12:45:56 PM
I got some a couple of weeks before the BABA ipo, its up 28%  8)

good for you! if i only had the money to invest... :-\     had my eye on it
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on November 12, 2014, 01:52:28 PM
how about buying PLUG after the dip today

nah, there are much better plays, look at AXAS
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on November 12, 2014, 02:09:35 PM
yhoo and baba both up 30 % since mid October  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: caliheat on November 13, 2014, 01:50:28 PM
AAPL up 15% in 1 month..
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: stmark on November 13, 2014, 02:58:39 PM
Saw this on twitter:
Carl Quintanilla ‏@carlquintanilla

Apple at $142.86 would be $1,000 pre-split. (via @SPCapitalIQ) $AAPL
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on November 13, 2014, 03:04:33 PM
Saw this on twitter:
Carl Quintanilla ‏@carlquintanilla

Apple at $142.86 would be $1,000 pre-split. (via @SPCapitalIQ) $AAPL
whats your point its currently at 112.69
142.86 is pretty far away

(market cap would be around 838 Billion which would be about 180 billion more)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: peroneustertius on November 13, 2014, 03:05:55 PM
whats your point its currently at 112.69
142.86 is pretty far away

(market cap would be around 838 Billion which would be about 180 billion more)
it's not that far away.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on November 13, 2014, 03:13:14 PM
it's not that far away.

? its over 25% away
thats not a small jump.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: stmark on November 13, 2014, 03:28:23 PM
If has a boat load of cash, its working on the watch, the tv, many more new ideas, plus, the ipad numbers that everyone says are low, competitors wish they had those numbers.

I dont see a reason why the stock would drop... in the words of the price is right game- yodeleihe yodeleihe.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on November 13, 2014, 03:51:31 PM
Yeah... flashback late 2012!
Both - $GOOG and $AAPL - were around $700, all the analysts were screaming off the top of their lungs that $AAPL is going to $1000! all while the most bullish mouthpieces on $GOOG were @ $800,

Fast forward 2 years later:
$AAPL is @ $790 pre-split (not before bottoming into the $300's in between...)
$GOOG is @ $1,100 pre-split.

It's the typical noise when a hot tech stock surges, it's as good as an uneducated guess.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on November 14, 2014, 12:03:29 PM
how about buying PLUG after the dip today


They're coming from less then 1 dollar...
...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on November 17, 2014, 03:40:39 PM
Anyone here do options trading?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: robertspangey on November 17, 2014, 03:56:14 PM
I dabble
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: EJB on November 17, 2014, 04:13:58 PM
Me too. Used to bet on volatility ahead of earnings w/ apple but can't now since they're a client.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: EJB on November 17, 2014, 04:15:30 PM
Yeah... flashback late 2012!
Both - $GOOG and $AAPL - were around $700, all the analysts were screaming off the top of their lungs that $AAPL is going to $1000! all while the most bullish mouthpieces on $GOOG were @ $800,

Fast forward 2 years later:
$AAPL is @ $790 pre-split (not before bottoming into the $300's in between...)
$GOOG is @ $1,100 pre-split.

It's the typical noise when a hot tech stock surges, it's as good as an uneducated guess.

On the same note, after AAPL dipped below 400 many analysts had their estimates for AAPL well below where it is now.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eli1571 on November 19, 2014, 09:55:05 AM
any recommendations on BCLI ?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: stmark on November 19, 2014, 02:43:34 PM
any recommendations on BCLI ?

why mess with it?  seems very much spec related. 
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on November 20, 2014, 04:42:24 PM
any new$ on this side of town? ;)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: stmark on November 20, 2014, 04:54:26 PM
buying twitter. and maybe htz next week with new CEO announced.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on November 20, 2014, 05:26:39 PM
buying twitter. and maybe htz next week with new CEO announced.
OH MY !
Why would you do that? and why not FB instead of TWTR ?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on November 21, 2014, 12:24:41 AM
I have never understood the twitter hype. Tons of people with lots of money feel that since twitter has tons of users they will be able to make lots of money off of them. Yet neither the investors or twitter have figured out an effective way to make money at the level needed to be worth what they are worth. It seems to be a big gamble on the ability to monetize. Maybe I am missing something?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on November 21, 2014, 12:27:11 AM

I have never understood the twitter hype. Tons of people with lots of money feel that since twitter has tons of users they will be able to make lots of money off of them. Yet neither the investors or twitter have figured out an effective way to make money at the level needed to be worth what they are worth. It seems to be a big gamble on the ability to monetize. Maybe I am missing something?
I remember when the same was said on $FB, don't underestimate the power of social media + ads.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on November 21, 2014, 12:36:04 AM
I remember when the same was said on $FB, don't underestimate the power of social media + ads.

I personally never said the same for FB. I bought FB in the 30s.

FB is different since you have so many people browsing on their site all the time to see whats the latest. How many people on twitter do that? Oh and I just checked my twitter home page (which I only ever go on for Amex) and I don't see a single ad. (and there is tons of empty space on the sides). If I would invest in twitter it would be after I saw consistent ad placement throughout my usage.

I do grant that my usage is minimal, but thats how I use twitter (fb also is only for deals for me). How does everyone else use it?

I would love to be proven wrong with other people experiences and then maybe I could understand it more.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on November 21, 2014, 12:45:44 AM
I remember when the same was said on $FB, don't underestimate the power of social media + ads.

The same was not said, as FB was profitable way before the IPO.
The big question was how much more they could grow.
TWTR is not and was never in the same boat.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on November 21, 2014, 01:06:26 AM

The same was not said, as FB was profitable way before the IPO.
The big question was how much more they could grow.
TWTR is not and was never in the same boat.
The concerns then on FBs' inability to grow came out of underestimating the power of social media + ads,
FB delivered,
Twitter just hasn't delivered YET,

They may not be in the same boat, but they swim in the same waters. ( btw...)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: stmark on November 21, 2014, 09:47:36 AM
if Twitter can monetize their ad space. They will bring in tremendous cash.  However, it seems like it will need to overhaul their leadership before that will happen.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on November 21, 2014, 09:48:50 AM

if Twitter can monetize their ad space. They will bring in tremendous cash.  However, it seems like it will need to overhaul their leadership before that will happen.
+1 they're a bunch of lazy teens.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on November 21, 2014, 12:29:14 PM
if Twitter can monetize their ad space. They will bring in tremendous cash.  However, it seems like it will need to overhaul their leadership before that will happen.

But thats my point. The whole investment hinges on a big IF
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: SrulyP on November 24, 2014, 11:50:43 AM
need a good stock to pick up. I have some cash laying around and it is just wasting away. Any ideas?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: caliheat on November 24, 2014, 11:56:47 AM
need a good stock to pick up. I have some cash laying around and it is just wasting away. Any ideas?

Why not AAPL?
Just picked some up and already up 15%+
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ergel on November 24, 2014, 12:39:23 PM
And I'm considering when to cash out my AAPL. It's been a lovely ride but....
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: coralsnake on November 24, 2014, 12:47:17 PM
And I'm considering when to cash out my AAPL. It's been a lovely ride but....
You can't lose money by taking a profit.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ergel on November 24, 2014, 12:52:18 PM
Yup. Originally bought at 660. Doubled down at 540. Up almost 40%. And that's not counting the dividend
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: caliheat on November 24, 2014, 01:13:07 PM
And I'm considering when to cash out my AAPL. It's been a lovely ride but....
but...??
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ergel on November 24, 2014, 01:42:02 PM
but...??
look what happened the last time they got near this level
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on November 24, 2014, 01:43:37 PM
look what happened the last time they got near this level
crash? ;)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on November 24, 2014, 02:09:28 PM
need a good stock to pick up. I have some cash laying around and it is just wasting away. Any ideas?
BABA
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: stmark on November 24, 2014, 02:31:43 PM
CSX, NSC or UNP should continue their roll now that keystone is pretty much done.

otherwise looking at SWKS or NXPI.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on November 24, 2014, 03:56:18 PM
BABA
BABA is extremely tempting. but to scared...   i bought AAPL options today that expire DEC 26.  should cover hopefully the holiday shopping hype...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on November 24, 2014, 05:16:40 PM
nice beat for QIHU but still no movement, hopefully it moves up tomorrow
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Redbull3 on November 24, 2014, 05:19:14 PM
Is there an investing thread? Or just the money thread (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=16863.0) and this one.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on November 24, 2014, 06:30:44 PM
You can't lose money by taking a profit.

Minus any tax ramifications.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on November 25, 2014, 12:38:01 AM
Why not AAPL?
Just picked some up and already up 15%+

No one in this thread cared about AAPL when it was a steal...
Nowadays, meh.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on November 25, 2014, 12:49:19 AM

No one in this thread cared about AAPL when it was a steal...
Nowadays, meh.
At least not publicly
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on November 25, 2014, 08:32:15 AM
No one in this thread cared about AAPL when it was a steal...
Nowadays, meh.

 i bought it at $100..... up 20%!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on November 25, 2014, 08:52:16 AM
i bought it at $100..... up 20%!
pre market up already!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on November 25, 2014, 09:24:06 AM
At least not publicly

I mean to say that last year at $56 ($390 pre-split) there was barely anyone excited about AAPL.
The company basically stayed the same, the stock doubles and everyone starts excitedly hopping onto the AAPL train. Again.

There will be a correction sooner than later...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ergel on November 25, 2014, 10:35:53 AM
There will be a correction sooner than later...
True that. I think I'm gonna put in a sell order if it hits $115. Then buy it back at $95-100
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: caliheat on November 25, 2014, 10:37:50 AM

There will be a correction sooner than later...
AAPL is good for a long term investment.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ergel on November 25, 2014, 10:42:58 AM
AAPL is good for a long term investment.
Depends at what price
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on November 25, 2014, 10:49:39 AM

I mean to say that last year at $56 ($390 pre-split) there was barely anyone excited about AAPL.
At least not publicly
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on November 25, 2014, 10:50:29 AM

True that. I think I'm gonna put in a sell order if it hits $115. Then buy it back at $95-100
You'll be disappointed
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: caliheat on November 25, 2014, 11:02:45 AM
Depends at what price
Why would it depend?
Long term, it should will up in 10 years..
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on November 25, 2014, 12:12:18 PM
Just bought more $S @ 18% down.. #believing
i bought at $4.76 ;) 
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: caliheat on November 25, 2014, 12:17:06 PM
i bought at $4.76 ;) 
my MIL making me nuts to buy some...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on November 25, 2014, 12:24:20 PM
my MIL making me nuts to buy some...
i do think its a good buy. although might take some time to climb back up...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on November 25, 2014, 04:05:50 PM
i bought at $4.76 ;)

i bought S and TMUS,
I believe TMUS was a much better buy and they are a buyout target.
They refused a month ago $34 / share, so at $29 they are pretty much undervalued.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on November 26, 2014, 11:29:18 AM
anyone bought HPQ?    i bought yesterday due to all the reports about good expected earnings, earnings was below and after hours the stock fell 2% and now it is up 4%. anyone can explain this?     at least its up but trying to figure it out
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on November 26, 2014, 11:32:21 AM

anyone bought HPQ?    i bought yesterday due to all the reports about good expected earnings, earnings was below and after hours the stock fell 2% and now it is up 4%. anyone can explain this?     at least its up but trying to figure it out
There's the possibility of a split coming in the future, and more layoffs might help too
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on November 26, 2014, 11:34:37 AM
There's the possibility of a split coming in the future, and more layoffs might help too
gotcha. although i was confused i was still pretty happy ;) ;)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: menachem_m on December 11, 2014, 09:18:08 AM
Robinhood app came out of beta today, and is on the app store.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on December 11, 2014, 09:20:51 AM
Robinhood app came out of beta today, and is on the app store.
what is that?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: coralsnake on December 11, 2014, 09:21:47 AM
Robinhood app came out of beta today, and is on the app store.
Robinhood will likely end up just like Zecco. Have free trades until they build up a nice client base. Then get bought out and start charging.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: brotha123 on December 11, 2014, 09:54:43 AM
Robinhood will likely end up just like Zecco. Have free trades until they build up a nice client base. Then get bought out and start charging.
and no catches to the free trades?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: coralsnake on December 11, 2014, 11:40:06 AM
and no catches to the free trades?
I know nothing about Robinhood but I used to have a free account with Zecco which is now $4.95 (very reasonable) per trade with Tradeking after the buyout.

There was no catch with Zecco. It seems like Robinhood is going after the younger demographic.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mikeoracle on December 11, 2014, 01:30:15 PM
Is anyone following LC IPO?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Am on December 11, 2014, 11:41:49 PM
and no catches to the free trades?
here is their answer https://robinhoodapp.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202853769-How-does-Robinhood-make-money-
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on December 12, 2014, 12:32:50 AM
Robinhood will likely end up just like Zecco. Have free trades until they build up a nice client base. Then get bought out and start charging.

A) Zecco merged with TradeKing, they weren't bought out
B) Zecco started charging for trades before they merged. I was a customer of Zecco and when they started charging $5 I switched to TradeKing. I figured if I'm paying $5 a trade I may as well have the best platform at that price.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: TheMentsh on December 13, 2014, 02:14:41 AM
Over 10 years ago, there used to be a brokerage called "Brokerage America" which was 0 commissions. I had an account with them back then and I loved it. They didn't last very long and I don't remember if they got bought out or simply went out of business.

Now there is Robinhood.com, which is also going to be commission-free on US Stocks and ETFs, but they haven't really launched yet and you have to put yourself on a waiting list. I got on it about a year ago and I am like # 234,000 with about that many after me (you can check how you are progressing on the list on their site). Their platform will be only on smartphone apps, not on a website. Right now they have only come out with an app for iPhone and they promise that they'll have an app for Android in 2015. I wish they'd get on with it.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: EJB on December 13, 2014, 07:26:05 PM
Over 10 years ago, there used to be a brokerage called "Brokerage America" which was 0 commissions. I had an account with them back then and I loved it. They didn't last very long and I don't remember if they got bought out or simply went out of business.

Now there is Robinhood.com, which is also going to be commission-free on US Stocks and ETFs, but they haven't really launched yet and you have to put yourself on a waiting list. I got on it about a year ago and I am like # 234,000 with about that many after me (you can check how you are progressing on the list on their site). Their platform will be only on smartphone apps, not on a website. Right now they have only come out with an app for iPhone and they promise that they'll have an app for Android in 2015. I wish they'd get on with it.

nice first post :)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: menachem_m on December 13, 2014, 08:18:22 PM
I have five spare robinhood invites, PM if you want.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on December 13, 2014, 08:20:55 PM

I have five spare robinhood invites, PM if you want.
Am I getting some kind of prioritization using your link?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: menachem_m on December 13, 2014, 08:24:04 PM
It's not a referral, it's instant access. (Since I just hit the top of the list, they gave me codes to give out.)

Even if you don't have iOS you can sign up now online, cause I think they expire at midnight or tomorrow.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on December 13, 2014, 08:33:48 PM

It's not a referral, it's instant access. (Since I just hit the top of the list, they gave me codes to give out.)

Even if you don't have iOS you can sign up now online, cause I think they expire at midnight or tomorrow.
PM sent
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: menachem_m on December 13, 2014, 08:54:22 PM
No more left.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on December 13, 2014, 08:54:59 PM

No more left.
Application submitted,
Thanx!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on December 14, 2014, 12:52:12 AM
I was granted access a few days ago, apparently I was one of the first sign ups last year.

Now I'm waiting for my application to be approved.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: menachem_m on December 14, 2014, 01:16:04 AM
Maybe it's taking a while cause it a weekend, but I did it on Thursday, and was approved within two hours.

As soon as you get accepted they'll send you 3 invites.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ulitkany on December 14, 2014, 10:02:56 AM
Maybe it's taking a while cause it a weekend, but I did it on Thursday, and was approved within two hours.

As soon as you get accepted they'll send you 3 invites.

Have you traded with them already? Do they give you an option to fund your account with your positions/stocks at other brokerages?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: menachem_m on December 14, 2014, 10:07:01 AM
Incoming is free, outgoing is $75. Obviously besides what your current brokerage will charge you.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ahecht37 on December 14, 2014, 10:20:28 AM
if anyone gets invite codes, please pm me. i would like to bypass the wait list
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ulitkany on December 14, 2014, 02:17:38 PM
if anyone gets invite codes, please pm me. i would like to bypass the wait list
What exactly are you refering to above? I asked about positions transfers, those are done for free usually
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ahecht37 on December 14, 2014, 02:29:58 PM
What exactly are you refering to above? I asked about positions transfers, those are done for free usually
im talking about the wait list to be able to use robin hood at all

also if anyone wants to help me move ahead in line, sign up with link below
https://www.robinhood.com/?ref=VK5wMv
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ulitkany on December 14, 2014, 05:24:30 PM
[
im talking about the wait list to be able to use robin hood at all

Oops, I meant to ask menachem_m about his below post [
Incoming is free, outgoing is $75. Obviously besides what your current brokerage will charge you.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on December 15, 2014, 02:10:13 PM

if anyone gets invite codes, please pm me. i would like to bypass the wait list
Still need?
I've got one left
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on December 15, 2014, 02:13:44 PM
I've got mines today as well, if anyone needs please PM.
ETA No more left.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on December 15, 2014, 05:12:47 PM
now i got a few. PM if needed

update: none left
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: sky121 on December 15, 2014, 05:38:30 PM
Looking for an invite. PM or post. Thanks
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: aj26 on December 15, 2014, 05:54:27 PM
Looking for an invite. Please pm
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on December 18, 2014, 12:19:51 PM
i have a serious question,
So far im doing pretty well with my mixed portfolio,long term and short term positions.
one particular position is bothering me a little.

Im down about 10k on YELP I am not in a  rush to sell and im not planning on buying more to average up. Its end of the year so for accounting purposes i might want to make some changes.
I believe the market took a huge pounding the past few weeks and it might be a great opportunity to get somewhere  in at cheap.
i was thinking of taking the loss for this calendar year and buying  IEP at 97 instead, to make up for the 10k loss. i really believe IEP can hit $150 within the next 12-24 months. Analyst have a 12 month target price of  $150.

i really like the way IEP handles his business .
Back two months ago when it was trading at $115  i said to myself i  should have gotten in cheaper so  i was just waiting for a drop. and i believe its the right time to get in.

so far my 2 possible choices are

a) holding on to YELP for a while hopefully they will be bought out very shortly ( maybe PCLN,AMZN,FB...)( i hope not YHOO)

or

b ) taking the loss and buying IEP instead.



I would really love to get your insight.

Pls dont just respond by saying : buy APPL or AMZN instead  . why IEP and not something else? unless you come up with something else with a valid explanation.

also,
 this position is not necessary long term  but not limited to short term either,


looking forward to  some of your responses.

thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: @jack123 on December 18, 2014, 01:05:26 PM
sell yelp for tax loss. buy options (calls) in case your right that it gets bought out. and buy iep if thats what you like.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on December 18, 2014, 01:07:29 PM
sell yelp for tax loss. buy options (calls) in case your right that it gets bought out. and buy iep if thats what you like.

if i only  knew how to trade options...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on December 18, 2014, 02:05:35 PM
if i only  knew how to trade options...
do a lot of research when you want a specific strategy.  can be very confusing

youtube can teach you many basic strategies.  can be pretty helpful for beginners
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Am on December 18, 2014, 02:37:34 PM
I Have three Robinhood invite codes to bypass the wait list. Anyone?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmelly on December 18, 2014, 02:52:39 PM
I Have three Robinhood invite codes to bypass the wait list. Anyone?
Yes please! PM sent.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Am on December 18, 2014, 03:40:42 PM
I Have three Robinhood invite codes to bypass the wait list. Anyone?
all gone
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: caliheat on December 18, 2014, 03:49:07 PM
Anybody re-position AAPL in the last few days?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on December 18, 2014, 03:51:52 PM
yes !! bought at 109.33
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on December 18, 2014, 04:15:07 PM
Anybody re-position AAPL in the last few days?
yes!!! i bought options at about $107 :D :D :D  multiple different expire dates and strike prices
Title: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on December 18, 2014, 09:42:50 PM
What the heck!
I signed up for Robinhoods waiting list on the 13th --
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/18/5b60db84de05e88d40326c75a97afb9e.jpg)
Checking a few minutes ago there are still like 400k people ahead of me on that waiting list  --
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/18/3cce8d6bb9c9bf71bd6c575d0b880a5c.jpg)
But I just got an email saying that my "wait is finally over" and that I'll get my invite in the next 24 hours --
 (http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/18/a652b2c690f229563e20de9f9c59996c.jpg)
I've since opened an account thanks to menachem_m sharing his invites, but what's up with that waiting list??
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on December 18, 2014, 10:12:09 PM
What the heck!
I signed up for Robinhoods waiting list on the 13th --

Checking a few minutes ago there are still like 400k people ahead of me on that waiting list  --

But I just got an email saying that my "wait is finally over" and that I'll get my invite in the next 24 hours --

I've since opened an account thanks to menachem_m sharing his invites, but what's up with that waiting list??

I got the same
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: SMS331 on December 18, 2014, 10:13:52 PM
I got the same
+1
I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: A3 on December 19, 2014, 10:41:18 AM
just got the invitation to Robinhood.. I don't have an Iphone.. (Android) Will wait till get home to open it on my Ipad.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: sky121 on December 19, 2014, 10:52:12 AM
just got the invitation to Robinhood.. I don't have an Iphone.. (Android) Will wait till get home to open it on my Ipad.

Can't you sign up online? Does it have to be through the app?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: A3 on December 19, 2014, 10:57:25 AM
Can't you sign up online? Does it have to be through the app?

You can, but whats the point.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on December 19, 2014, 11:47:33 AM

just got the invitation to Robinhood.. I don't have an Iphone.. (Android) Will wait till get home to open it on my Ipad.
Just got mine too..
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: sky121 on December 19, 2014, 11:59:29 AM
You can, but whats the point.
I assume you can't trade on their site then?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: sunhao39685 on December 19, 2014, 06:50:35 PM
anybody still have robinhood code? PM me. i can pay you.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: A3 on December 20, 2014, 06:40:39 PM
anybody still have robinhood code? PM me. i can pay you.

Pmed you
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: SMS331 on December 20, 2014, 07:14:01 PM
I have 3 codes. PM for an invite.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: SMS331 on December 21, 2014, 04:26:45 PM
I have 3 codes. PM for an invite.

One left
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on December 21, 2014, 05:33:01 PM
1 left as well PM if you want it
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on December 21, 2014, 10:47:18 PM
3 invites available. Don't want 10 PMs so first 3 to post here I will pm you the code
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: PTU on December 21, 2014, 11:05:41 PM
3 invites available. Don't want 10 PMs so first 3 to post here I will pm you the code
post 1 ty
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Alexsei on December 22, 2014, 12:23:31 AM
3 invites available. Don't want 10 PMs so first 3 to post here I will pm you the code
Post 2 ty
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: MI on December 22, 2014, 12:49:44 AM
Post 3 ty
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: sweety on December 22, 2014, 02:55:21 AM
1 left as well PM if you want it
Still available?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: sweety on December 22, 2014, 02:57:25 AM
Anybody still have a Roninhood code?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on December 22, 2014, 02:08:07 PM
any current stock ideas?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: A3 on December 22, 2014, 02:26:22 PM
Anybody still have a Roninhood code?

PM me if you did not yet receive one.
I have 2 left
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: SMS331 on December 22, 2014, 02:30:49 PM
PM me if you did not yet receive one.
I have 2 left

I still have one also.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: stmark on December 22, 2014, 03:18:38 PM
TWTR
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102289637

Dont buy today...wait for another drop.

at these prices CVX gives a nice dividend.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on December 22, 2014, 03:19:37 PM

1 left as well PM if you want it
Offer's still on, first PM gets it
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on December 22, 2014, 03:46:07 PM

Offer's still on, first PM gets it
Update: Gone.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: JosephM on December 22, 2014, 04:18:09 PM
Does anyone know how to contact them?  My deposit says transfer pending for almost a week - its just supposed to take 3 business days.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ulitkany on December 22, 2014, 04:26:28 PM
Does anyone know how to contact them?  My deposit says transfer pending for almost a week - its just supposed to take 3 business days.

If you have any questions, you can contact them at support@robinhood.com.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: SMS331 on December 22, 2014, 05:56:31 PM
I still have one also.
Gone
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Sport on December 22, 2014, 11:09:57 PM
Got  robinhood invites, pm me if you need one.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Alexsei on December 23, 2014, 04:15:23 PM
3 invites available. Don't want 10 PMs so first 3 to post here I will pm you the code
Same here
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: sweety on December 23, 2014, 04:20:33 PM
Anybody still have a Roninhood code?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Alexsei on December 23, 2014, 04:22:56 PM
Anybody still have a Roninhood code?

3 invites available. Don't want 10 PMs so first 3 to post here I will pm you the code
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: MAJ on December 23, 2014, 04:29:24 PM
please send me an invite
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: benjie1305 on December 23, 2014, 04:58:43 PM
Anyone with a. Robinhood invite? Pls pm. Thanks
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on December 24, 2014, 03:59:49 PM
3 new invites from TWs account, first 3 PMs get it
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: caliheat on December 24, 2014, 06:07:21 PM
Enough with robinhood, back to business!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on December 24, 2014, 06:20:09 PM
Enough with robinhood, back to business!
+1
I think the robinhood conversation should be separated from this thread
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on December 24, 2014, 06:39:24 PM

Enough with robinhood, back to business!
+1
I think the robinhood conversation should be separated from this thread
Nobody is holding you back from talking business, you know, you're like that guy who's sitting in his car with the engine shut, complaining the car ain't moving...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on December 24, 2014, 09:14:53 PM

3 new invites from TWs account, first 3 PMs get it
2 left
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on December 25, 2014, 10:55:52 AM

2 left
1 left
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Alexsei on December 25, 2014, 10:56:59 AM
+1
I think the robinhood conversation should be separated from this thread
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=48259.new#new
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ari2955 on December 25, 2014, 02:06:21 PM
+1 The savers credit on the Roth IRA is amazing. Basically you get a tax credit to put money into an account that will never pay taxes (assuming the laws aren't changed). The kicker is that if you have a low enough income for the full savers credit you probably aren't paying much in taxes anyway. Plus with a Roth you can withdraw principle whenever you want and earnings for qualified expenses like purchase of a home, education or healthcare.

Do I need to put in the money before 12/31 to be aligable for 2014 credit?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on December 25, 2014, 06:52:30 PM
Do I need to put in the money before 12/31 to be aligable for 2014 credit?

I didn't. It should be fine as long as you do it b4 April 15th. I'm not an accountant though so not sure
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ari2955 on December 25, 2014, 08:30:16 PM
Thanks
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on December 31, 2014, 10:23:27 AM
Can you use Robinhood for day trading?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: benjie1305 on December 31, 2014, 11:04:18 AM
Can you use Robinhood for day trading?

I would start using >> http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=48259.new#new

Just so that it becomes used/seen more. Certainly a topic that can hold its own.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on December 31, 2014, 11:05:01 AM
any new stock ideas?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: benjie1305 on December 31, 2014, 11:14:09 AM
any new stock ideas?

Ingles Market and Sucampo both did very well for me over the past 6 weeks.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: joeberg on December 31, 2014, 12:36:16 PM
Anyone looking for a high dividend stock, look into NMM.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on December 31, 2014, 12:38:11 PM
Anyone looking for a high dividend stock, look into NMM.
stock is down 50% in the last 3 months
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on December 31, 2014, 12:51:10 PM
stock is down 50% in the last 3 months
my thoughts exactly
Cause?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: stmark on December 31, 2014, 01:00:16 PM
For starters, a dividend is only as good as a company's ability to pay it long term.
Last quarter, for instance, the company paid a $0.4425 dividend, yet only earned $0.37 per share.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: joeberg on December 31, 2014, 01:02:52 PM
I've owned this since 2009 the div had stayed the same through all those bad times.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: joeberg on December 31, 2014, 01:03:58 PM
stock is down 50% in the last 3 months
That's what makes it so attractive.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: stmark on December 31, 2014, 02:14:26 PM
The company isnt making money.  Therefore the stock will go down.

I dont see how anyone can see the stock going up unless it has an earnings beat.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eAge on December 31, 2014, 08:39:53 PM
Has anybody bought oil lately?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on January 01, 2015, 01:44:14 PM
Has anybody bought oil lately?
kinda risky,  looks like it will still go down although when it hits in the 40's i probably will ;)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: shmiel1429 on January 01, 2015, 04:47:55 PM
Looking to understand the market whats considered  a good buy..
would like suggestions where I can find someone to TEACH me and willing to pay...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: tablet deal on January 01, 2015, 05:14:37 PM
Isnt it the lowest in five years?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: killamatic12 on January 01, 2015, 06:58:36 PM
Looking to understand the market whats considered  a good buy..
would like suggestions where I can find someone to TEACH me and willing to pay...
I want to learn too. probably stocks for dummies. I was also looking into bullsonwallstreet.com to apply for the classes but I wanted to see what people think about it first. Anyone for it?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: MyMalarky on January 01, 2015, 07:52:14 PM
John Murphy: his book on Tech. Analysis is great place to start.

FYI: I have a algorithm for US Equities; currently managing money for other hedge funds. Starting this month I am going to start selling monthly subscriptions to my algo's stock picks. Please PM for info
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: JosephM on January 01, 2015, 07:58:29 PM
Looking to understand the market whats considered  a good buy..
would like suggestions where I can find someone to TEACH me and willing to pay...

Great book explaining how to choose and value stocks - Getting Started in Value Investing by Charles Mizrahi

http://www.amazon.com/Getting-Started-Investing-Charles-Mizrahi/dp/0470139080/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1420160157&sr=8-1&keywords=charles+mizrahi
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on January 01, 2015, 10:57:30 PM
I absolutely loved this book http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0060555661/ref=pd_aw_sbs_1?pi=SL500_SY115&simLd=1&dpPl=1&dpID=51KI2Qioc4L

And this one is pretty good too. http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00BD6UKKK/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?qid=1420171012&sr=8-3&pi=AC_SY200_QL40
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Yehuda25 on January 02, 2015, 12:40:08 AM
Any thoughts on shorting tesla with the price its at?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: shmiel1429 on January 02, 2015, 07:03:45 AM
Any suggestions on who's picks to follow...
The ones where you were very successful with :)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on January 02, 2015, 07:18:26 AM
Any suggestions on who's picks to follow...
The ones where you were very successful with :)

may try a subscription to https://research.valueline.com/ it's pretty good. 
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on January 02, 2015, 08:52:32 AM
Any thoughts on shorting tesla with the price its at?
absolutely not its actually pretty low right now
Teslas actually my biggest holding
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: shmiel1429 on January 02, 2015, 09:04:32 AM
Is it a good buy?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on January 02, 2015, 09:07:06 AM
Is it a good buy?
thats up to you its a very risky volatile stock I think it will go up in the long term but thats just my opinion
really the reason its down right now is because of low gas prices which IMO is very short sighted

ETA
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: benjie1305 on January 02, 2015, 09:11:26 AM
thats up to you its a very risky volatile stock I think it will go up in the long term but thats just my opinion

It certainly has had its ups and downs over the last 6-9 months. Overall still a solid buy in my and most ppls eyes.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mikeoracle on January 02, 2015, 10:05:13 AM
BCLI

I started looking into this stock after all the news articles in the local Jewish weeklys about R' Shmulevitz.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/upcoming-key-clinical-data-catalyst-174201443.html

Anyone watching this one?

Finally some nice movement on BCLI
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on January 02, 2015, 10:22:24 AM
Finally some nice movement on BCLI
WOW did you buy it in 2012?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mikeoracle on January 02, 2015, 10:29:36 AM
WOW did you buy it in 2012?
I dont remember the exact date but somewhere around then.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on January 02, 2015, 10:34:01 AM
I dont remember the exact date but somewhere around then.
good for you!
you must have made a fortune
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mikeoracle on January 02, 2015, 10:36:03 AM
good for you!
you must have made a fortune
Nah, I wish.
It was a big gamble so I only put in a few hundred dollars. At this point I am just going to keep holding and see where this goes.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on January 02, 2015, 10:38:30 AM
Nah, I wish.
It was a big gamble so I only put in a few hundred dollars. At this point I am just going to keep holding and see where this goes.
still its up 2100% since that post
not a bad return ;)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mikeoracle on January 02, 2015, 10:39:52 AM
still its up 2100% since that post
not a bad return ;)
Actually there was a 15-1 reverse stock split a few months ago so the stock "only" doubled since then.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on January 02, 2015, 11:14:08 AM
Actually there was a 15-1 reverse stock split a few months ago so the stock "only" doubled since then.
oh didnt see that on here (https://www.google.com/finance?cid=5772744)
still double is still pretty good
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on January 05, 2015, 12:29:03 PM
Same here, I'm still holding on to my shares
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: princea143 on January 05, 2015, 01:21:16 PM
Has anybody used Loyal3 before?  I wanted to get info from other people's experiences with them.  I dabble a bit, but I'm still an amateur at this.  My cousin is an analyst for a firm that exclusively uses Schwab for trades, so I've only been using Schwab.  I get some knowledge from him from time to time, but I'd like to check out other firms as well, just in case. 
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: killamatic12 on January 05, 2015, 08:08:24 PM
A friend bought 1 share of Berkshire @ $3300 in 1988 and still has it today. Hes sitting on a goldmine. Last quote it was trading @ 207,100 per shr.
can you please explain how this is a goldmine? The way I understand it is if he sells it he make 200k+ profit but he doesn't have the money until he sells so it's just a goldmine because he has nothing to lose at this point because it can just keep going up?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on January 08, 2015, 11:53:52 AM
anyone going for the AAPL ride today? :)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: DMYD on January 08, 2015, 12:06:04 PM
can you please explain how this is a goldmine? The way I understand it is if he sells it he make 200k+ profit but he doesn't have the money until he sells so it's just a goldmine because he has nothing to lose at this point because it can just keep going up?
Well if he bought it at $3300 in 1998 and now its worth over 200K he made a goldmine he can sell if he wants, its not guaranteed to keep on going up, but yes he made a good investment, if he would have bought 100 shares in 1998 he would of had over 20M.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: robbie on January 08, 2015, 02:17:35 PM
any thoughts on FCEL?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eAge on January 08, 2015, 02:27:20 PM
anyone going for the AAPL ride today? :)
Not going for it, I'm going with it.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on January 08, 2015, 02:28:31 PM
Not going for it, I'm going with it.
thats what i meant ;)    me too
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on January 08, 2015, 02:43:44 PM
Me three..
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on January 08, 2015, 02:46:20 PM
Not going for it, I'm going with it.
Me three..
Party? ;D
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on January 08, 2015, 02:56:35 PM
Party? ;D
I'm currently on some other rides as well which keeps me from partying...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on January 08, 2015, 02:59:27 PM
I'm currently on some other rides as well which keeps me from partying...
like?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eAge on January 08, 2015, 03:04:59 PM

Party? ;D
Call me when it's back to ATH.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on January 08, 2015, 03:07:20 PM
Call me when it's back to ATH.
excuse my ignorance. cant figure out. what is ATH?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eAge on January 08, 2015, 03:07:47 PM

excuse my ignorance. cant figure out. what is ATH?
All time high
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on January 08, 2015, 03:08:49 PM
All time high
oh!

that will hopefully be pretty soon ;)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on January 08, 2015, 03:09:20 PM
like?
S, AMZN, GOOG.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on January 08, 2015, 03:09:38 PM
Call me when it's back to ATH.
Were not that far.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on January 08, 2015, 03:10:13 PM
S, AMZN, GOOG.
i jumped out of s at $5.05
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: dealvr on January 08, 2015, 06:48:18 PM
Thoughts on TWTR?
Finally getting some momentum back? Off the lows?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: WhiteWolf on January 11, 2015, 10:16:07 PM
Anyone here invest or have any info on SSNT ?
http://investorshub.advfn.com/SilverSun-Technologies-Inc-SSNT-2506/
http://www.morningstar.com/invest/stocks/81607-ssnt-silversun-technologies-inc.html
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eli1571 on January 12, 2015, 10:35:58 AM
Any recommendation on BCLI and S , any of them worth buying now ? Which one of the 2 stands
 a better chance of goin up ? Both seem close to their yearly low
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on January 12, 2015, 10:51:14 AM
Any recommendation on BCLI and S , any of them worth buying now ? Which one of the 2 stands
 a better chance of goin up ? Both seem close to their yearly low
we(here on ddf) thought that s was a low at $5.  i would say its pretty risky
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mikeoracle on January 12, 2015, 11:09:48 AM
Any recommendation on BCLI and S , any of them worth buying now ? Which one of the 2 stands
 a better chance of goin up ? Both seem close to their yearly low
BCLI, is a total Gamble in my opinion. I am in on it but only what I thought I can handle as a 100% gamble and can handle a total loss.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmelly on January 12, 2015, 03:10:19 PM
Need a recommendation for a mutual fund. The person will be depositing $12K initially and plans on depositing $100 per week via direct deposit. She is able to stomach some risk and will not be touching the money for a while. Any direction would be appreciated. 
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: stmark on January 12, 2015, 03:55:05 PM
look for something that tracks the S&p.  focus on low cost.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: MAJ on January 12, 2015, 04:24:55 PM
Need a recommendation for a mutual fund. The person will be depositing $12K initially and plans on depositing $100 per week via direct deposit. She is able to stomach some risk and will not be touching the money for a while. Any direction would be appreciated.
what about something like Betterment or Futureadvisor?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on January 12, 2015, 05:03:23 PM
Need a recommendation for a mutual fund. The person will be depositing $12K initially and plans on depositing $100 per week via direct deposit. She is able to stomach some risk and will not be touching the money for a while. Any direction would be appreciated.
i did that with BRK.B last year, i initially bought at $114. i am planning on averaging up and buying once a year .
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eli1571 on January 12, 2015, 06:55:32 PM
we(here on ddf) thought that s was a low at $5.  i would say its pretty risky
would've thought its a good time since its so low, it ain't gonna go bust so can only go up, or am I missing something
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on January 12, 2015, 06:56:54 PM
would've thought its a good time since its so low, it ain't gonna go bust so can only go up, or am I missing something
Hey ya never know how low it can go. It has given many surprises over the last couple of weeks
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eli1571 on January 12, 2015, 07:07:00 PM
Hey ya never know how low it can go. It has given many surprises over the last couple of weeks
such as ?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on January 12, 2015, 07:10:08 PM
such as ?
Going so low   im just saying that its risky cause it has broken barriers  that were unexpected.   Just IMHO. And if it goes up tomorrow dont come to me. Im just sharing my own opinion.  Not liable  for losses as well
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eli1571 on January 12, 2015, 07:22:57 PM
BCLI, is a total Gamble in my opinion. I am in on it but only what I thought I can handle as a 100% gamble and can handle a total loss.
where did you get in ? I've been debating for a while at $3.3 then suddendly it shot up end of December to $9. And dropped back down to 4.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: killamatic12 on January 20, 2015, 02:11:45 PM
how can one search for  volatile stocks?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eAge on January 20, 2015, 02:36:23 PM

how can one search for  volatile stocks?
I use stock touch app for iPhone
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: CS1 on January 20, 2015, 03:41:33 PM
how can one search for  volatile stocks?

reminiscing of the 'good ol' days of SUNW. Plenty of predictable volatility.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on January 21, 2015, 07:06:24 PM
Picked up ALK - Alaska Airlines today. The company's numbers are incredible.

Boy am I happy to still be holding ALK.
Bought at $28, it has been soaring...

OTOH, I haven't found any stocks worth buying recently, anyone have any value stocks that might be good?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: PTU on January 21, 2015, 08:23:52 PM
Eventually airlines will lower prices to match the realistic fuel prices which will affect profits and share value.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on January 21, 2015, 08:33:31 PM
Eventually airlines will lower prices to match the realistic fuel prices which will affect profits and share value.

Tickets are priced based on supply and demand.
I believe as long as there is healthy demand and limited supply the prices the can pretty much stay the same.

I don't think airlines will be running to buy planes and add new routes just because fuel is currently cheaper.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: PTU on January 21, 2015, 08:46:54 PM
Tickets are priced based on supply and demand. of fuel and pax....
ftfy
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on January 21, 2015, 08:55:28 PM
ftfy

Don't understand your point.

Airlines have been making record profits this year BEFORE the drop in fuel prices.
The airline consolidation has effectively eliminated competition in many markets, so airlines charge what they want. Fuel prices shouldn't dent the prices, definitely not in the near future.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on January 21, 2015, 10:23:01 PM
when gas prices go down people tend to spend more on travel = good for airlines
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: PTU on January 21, 2015, 10:33:13 PM
when gas prices go down people tend to spend more on travel = good for airlines
no, when travel is cheaper people travel more.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ergel on January 21, 2015, 10:42:07 PM
no, when travel is cheaper people travel more.
Actually, he's correct. People have more disposable income when gas prices go down and spend that on various things, including travel.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on January 22, 2015, 11:30:19 AM
Eventually airlines will lower prices to match the realistic fuel prices which will affect profits and share value.

From today's WSJ article- http://www.wsj.com/articles/alaska-air-boosts-dividend-60-amid-lower-fuel-costs-1421936159

"Many big-airline CEOs have said fuel savings would generally go to the companies’ bottom lines, and not to customers, in part because demand is strong and the price of oil remains volatile. Any airline that deeply cuts fares could pay for those discounts if oil rebounds."
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on January 22, 2015, 03:21:45 PM
Nice day BH!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: killamatic12 on January 23, 2015, 09:54:49 AM
How does one go around the SEC law where one may not day trade 4 times in a 5 day period of his account has less than 25k? I've read somewhere that one can go and give money to a broker and you will trade under them but they take a ridiculous percentage....
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on January 26, 2015, 08:03:06 PM
Any suggestions for stocks in the financial sector?

So many stocks have P/Es or Forward P/Es under 10 and I'm looking for a few strong companies to buy into. Or possibly a low-fee ETF that encompasses a lot of the good names?

TIA
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on January 27, 2015, 01:01:16 PM
What are you people's predictions on AAPLs report?
I'm keeping my shares without any particular reason, just curious to hear..
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on January 27, 2015, 01:09:33 PM
What are you people's predictions on AAPLs report?
I'm keeping my shares without any particular reason, just curious to hear..
if history will repeat itself, it will at one point be very up and one point be very down. these reports can have one stupid word and boom, it falls. and then an analyst reads a good word and it shoots up. gonna be a very volatile day.

look at MSFT.  earnings where as projected, but due to other reasons it fell 9%
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on January 27, 2015, 01:25:52 PM
if history will repeat itself, it will at one point be very up and one point be very down. these reports can have one stupid word and boom, it falls. and then an analyst reads a good word and it shoots up. gonna be a very volatile day.

look at MSFT.  earnings where as projected, but due to other reasons it fell 9%
Ya, this is exactly what happened last time IIRC, they just gotta make sure to start off with the bad part and end good...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on January 27, 2015, 07:00:51 PM
Nice report BH $AAPL
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on January 27, 2015, 07:02:23 PM
Nice report BH $AAPL
yup, but as we said earlier, lets hope it stays up...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on January 28, 2015, 06:57:20 PM
Also BA!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on January 29, 2015, 02:29:49 PM
Now let's see what AMZN has to offer...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on January 29, 2015, 02:46:24 PM
Now let's see what AMZN has to offer...
Definitely nothing magical...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on January 29, 2015, 03:26:27 PM
Definitely nothing magical...
It has gone up 2% in the last 2 hours, looks like there's some expectations, let's hope.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on January 29, 2015, 03:38:45 PM
It has gone up 2% in the last 2 hours, looks like there's some expectations, let's hope.
and AAPL fell 3% the day before...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on January 29, 2015, 04:51:30 PM
It has gone up 2% in the last 2 hours, looks like there's some expectations, let's hope.
I'm wrong. However I still wouldn't invest my money with them.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: itsallgood on January 29, 2015, 05:27:07 PM
I'm wrong. However I still wouldn't invest my money with them.
Why not?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on January 29, 2015, 06:37:43 PM
and AAPL fell 3% the day before...
I was just reffering to what he said that he's not expecting anything so I pointed out that other are expecting.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: itsallgood on January 29, 2015, 07:40:47 PM
What are people's thoughts on FTR?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on February 11, 2015, 02:47:10 PM
any news on this side of town?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: benjie1305 on February 11, 2015, 02:52:26 PM
any news on this side of town?

Boeing and Disney my friend.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: itsallgood on February 11, 2015, 02:58:11 PM
Boeing and Disney my friend.
Been watching them for quite some time but I feel like they're at a high. I've been debating buying in and I fear I've missed their boat
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on February 11, 2015, 03:00:49 PM
how much lower do you think $BABA is going?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: benjie1305 on February 11, 2015, 03:04:43 PM
Been watching them for quite some time but I feel like they're at a high. I've been debating buying in and I fear I've missed their boat

I got in there around mid November. Has been treating me very well. But agreed, might be close to the ultimate high at this point.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: benjie1305 on February 11, 2015, 03:06:06 PM
how much lower do you think $BABA is going?

Not sure. What I do believe is that we will see it go back up again.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: stmark on February 11, 2015, 03:19:01 PM
Thinking of selling out of 50% of my Disney (cashing out original position to play with house money only) and getting into either CCL or TWTR.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: caliheat on February 11, 2015, 03:20:55 PM
I still don't see the problem of less diversified and more AAPL  ;)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: itsallgood on February 11, 2015, 03:37:52 PM
I got in there around mid November. Has been treating me very well. But agreed, might be close to the ultimate high at this point.

That's awesome you got in then!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on February 11, 2015, 03:57:37 PM
I still don't see the problem of less diversified and more AAPL  ;)

Yep, the timeless strategy of buy high, sell low, while keeping all your eggs in one basket.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: caliheat on February 11, 2015, 04:02:30 PM
Yep, the timeless strategy of buy high, sell low, while keeping all your eggs in one basket.
1) Who said anything about buy high - got in at $97
2) Eggs in 1 solid basket is better than eggs in multiple iffy baskets
3) Target price is consistently raised, earnings exceeded, no short term worry necessary.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ergel on February 11, 2015, 04:03:11 PM
1) Who said anything about buy high - got in at $97
2) Eggs in 1 solid basket is better than eggs in multiple iffy baskets
3) Target price is consistently raised, earnings exceeded, no short term worry necessary.
LOL
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on February 11, 2015, 04:08:03 PM
1) Who said anything about buy high - got in at $97
I still don't see the problem of less diversified and more AAPL  ;)
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2) Eggs in 1 solid basket is better than eggs in multiple iffy baskets

But not smarter than not buying eggs at all.

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3) Target price is consistently raised, earnings exceeded, no short term worry necessary.

Past performance is not an indicator of future results
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: caliheat on February 11, 2015, 04:20:45 PM


Past performance is not an indicator of future results
So are you predicting against all analysts that some time in the foreseeable future AAPL "bubble" will burst ?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on February 11, 2015, 04:27:07 PM
So are you predicting against all analysts that some time in the foreseeable future AAPL "bubble" will burst ?

I'm not predicting anything.
Though analysts predictions are usually the worst indicators of future performance.
I bought back at 60 (425 pre-split) when all the analysts wouldn't get near the stock with a ten foot pole.
And didn't buy way back at 700 when analysts were all over it.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: itsallgood on February 11, 2015, 04:27:42 PM
So are you predicting against all analysts that some time in the foreseeable future AAPL "bubble" will burst ?
If I'm understanding everyone here correctly, it doesn't seem that anyone is predicting anything. The use of the term "prediction" shouldn't really be associated with stocks. Nothing is definite. And analysts know this too.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eAge on February 11, 2015, 06:03:25 PM

I'm not predicting anything.
Though analysts predictions are usually the worst indicators of future performance.
I bought back at 60 (425 pre-split) when all the analysts wouldn't get near the stock with a ten foot pole.
And didn't buy way back at 700 when analysts were all over it.
+10
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: caliheat on February 11, 2015, 06:06:53 PM
I'm not predicting anything.
Though analysts predictions are usually the worst indicators of future performance.
I bought back at 60 (425 pre-split) when all the analysts wouldn't get near the stock with a ten foot pole.
And didn't buy way back at 700 when analysts were all over it.
I'm not placing any stock in analysts, however, if you have some insight that we are un-aware of, please enlighten.
After all, I don't want to lose my $$
:p
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: WhiteWolf on February 13, 2015, 10:59:22 AM
Anyone here play with GENE  Check out the past week
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=GENE+Interactive#%7B%22range%22%3A%225d%22%2C%22scale%22%3A%22linear%22%7D

I had it for over a year just cashed out...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ergel on February 13, 2015, 11:36:58 AM
For over a year? You got in at 10?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on February 13, 2015, 12:56:33 PM
For over a year? You got in at 10?
+1 I was thinking the same thing...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: WhiteWolf on February 15, 2015, 12:11:51 AM
I got in at 1.50 there was a reverse split 5-1 on 1/21/15 so 7.50 after conversion...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on February 17, 2015, 10:51:32 AM
DVN reporting after hours
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: itsallgood on February 17, 2015, 11:41:22 AM
DVN reporting after hours
It looks like mostly positive projections
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on February 17, 2015, 01:33:31 PM
if history will repeat itself, it will at one point be very up and one point be very down. these reports can have one stupid word and boom, it falls. and then an analyst reads a good word and it shoots up. gonna be a very volatile day.

look at MSFT.  earnings where as projected, but due to other reasons it fell 9%

i dont recall MSFT having $178 Billion cash on hand ! yes you can say that again BILLION spelled with a B.
i dont recall MSFT generating $18 B profit in one quarter.
i dont recall MSFT having costumer camping out 24hours outside the store to grab the newest phones or gadgets.
this list can go on and on.

Apple is not just a technology company selling electronics and software.
im not here to pump the company but this is one of those stocks that people do feel comfortable putting all eggs in one basket.

what im saying, $178 Billion doesnt evaporate overnight.
 Icahn as an insider knows more then us, if he feels comfortable giving a $200+ Target Price im comfortable with that too. i will take $175 any day :-)


"VC Jason Calcanis predicts Apple will buy Tesla within 18 months, citing (among other things) Tesla's head-start in EV development, touchscreen UI investments, and plans for a battery gigafactory that could also benefit other Apple products. Elon Musk reportedly met with Apple M&A execs back in 2013." quote from today in Seeking Alpha

Just Saying :

 TSLA market value is $25.50 Billion
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on February 17, 2015, 01:48:09 PM

"VC Jason Calcanis predicts Apple will buy Tesla within 18 months, citing (among other things) Tesla's head-start in EV development, touchscreen UI investments, and plans for a battery gigafactory that could also benefit other Apple products. Elon Musk reportedly met with Apple M&A execs back in 2013." quote from today in Seeking Alpha

Just Saying :

 TSLA market value is $25.50 Billion
That rumor has been going around forever

I follow TSLA very carefully and I would be VERY VERY surprised if apple tried to acquire it
especially since Apple and Tesla are having a miniwar over poaching employees

Although I would be very happy if they did because TSLA is my biggest holding
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: stmark on February 17, 2015, 02:30:09 PM
Apple could buy almost any company it wanted. It could buy Mastercard, Visa, AMEX if it wanted to boost apple pay. It could buy Bank of America too.
It could buy netflix to have all our information on what we watch and sell that to companies.
If it wanted to boost entertainment, it could buy Disney (ESPN, ABC) too.

It could buy almost anything it wanted.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on February 17, 2015, 02:40:57 PM
Apple could buy almost any company it wanted. It could buy Mastercard, Visa, AMEX if it wanted to boost apple pay. It could buy Bank of America too.
It could buy netflix to have all our information on what we watch and sell that to companies.
If it wanted to boost entertainment, it could buy Disney (ESPN, ABC) too.

It could buy almost anything it wanted.

what are you trying to say?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on February 17, 2015, 02:41:25 PM
what are you trying to say?
+1000000   #confused
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: stmark on February 17, 2015, 02:51:50 PM
If Musk was selling Tesla he would have people lining up at his door.

Just because some company or person has the money doesnt mean it can buy whatever would be cool to own. Takes 2 to tango.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on February 17, 2015, 05:07:05 PM
If Musk was selling Tesla he would have people lining up at his door.

Just because some company or person has the money doesnt mean it can buy whatever would be cool to own. Takes 2 to tango.
I agree... BUT theres always a price.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: peroneustertius on February 17, 2015, 06:05:53 PM
If Musk was selling Tesla he would have people lining up at his door.

Just because some company or person has the money doesnt mean it can buy whatever would be cool to own. Takes 2 to tango.
no way musk will ever sell tesla. It's his baby. He has a type A personality and wants to win. Selling to apple would not be winning the war.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: caliheat on February 17, 2015, 06:39:51 PM
no way musk will ever sell tesla. It's his baby. He has a type A personality and wants to win. Selling to apple would not be winning the war.
His baby? What about his SpacX baby? hyper-loop idea?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on February 17, 2015, 07:02:12 PM
no way musk will ever sell tesla. It's his baby. He has a type A personality and wants to win. Selling to apple would not be winning the war.
not true for the right price he would sell
he even said that he will stay for the next 5 years as CEO but may leave after that
dont forget Paypal used to be his "baby"
he also has other thing he is doing (SpaceX) and things he doesn't have time to do right now (hyperloop)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on February 17, 2015, 10:22:38 PM
i dont recall MSFT having $178 Billion cash on hand ! yes you can say that again BILLION spelled with a B.
i dont recall MSFT generating $18 B profit in one quarter.
i dont recall MSFT having costumer camping out 24hours outside the store to grab the newest phones or gadgets.
this list can go on and on.

Apple is not just a technology company selling electronics and software.
im not here to pump the company but this is one of those stocks that people do feel comfortable putting all eggs in one basket.

what im saying, $178 Billion doesnt evaporate overnight.
 Icahn as an insider knows more then us, if he feels comfortable giving a $200+ Target Price im comfortable with that too. i will take $175 any day :-)


"VC Jason Calcanis predicts Apple will buy Tesla within 18 months, citing (among other things) Tesla's head-start in EV development, touchscreen UI investments, and plans for a battery gigafactory that could also benefit other Apple products. Elon Musk reportedly met with Apple M&A execs back in 2013." quote from today in Seeking Alpha

Just Saying :

 TSLA market value is $25.50 Billion

Wow, if I was a stock holder it would be really tough for me to give a $500 target on this stock.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on February 17, 2015, 11:05:49 PM

Wow, if I was a stock holder it would be really tough for me to give a $500 target on this stock.
-1
In his Oct '14 letter he valued the stock at $203, now 4 months later, and a lot of positive stuff happening to AAPL (numbers  & products), he's still at $216,
he could've valued the stock last week at $250 instead of $216 and it would've made perfectly sense (at least as sensible as his $203 target was in Oct.) but he didn't, he sticked to his "just above $200" target, which tells you (or at least me) that he's on to something and he's not just spewing out numbers to push his agenda.
Just my .02
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on February 17, 2015, 11:40:32 PM
-1
In his Oct '14 letter he valued the stock at $203, now 4 months later, and a lot of positive stuff happening to AAPL (numbers  & products), he's still at $216,
he could've valued the stock last week at $250 instead of $216 and it would've made perfectly sense (at least as sensible as his $203 target was in Oct.) but he didn't, he sticked to his "just above $200" target, which tells you (or at least me) that he's on to something and he's not just spewing out numbers to push his agenda.
Just my .02

Lol he's saying that it's worth nearly 700b more than the consensus and you take his words seriously?
He has provided good advice to Tim Cook but don't rely on him for stock advice.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on February 18, 2015, 12:28:50 AM

Lol he's saying that it's worth nearly 700b more than the consensus and you take his words seriously?
I'm not saying I agree with his target, I'm saying that if he's just putting out high targets because he "owns the stock" and drives an agenda, he could've put out higher targets and still get away with it.
don't rely on him for stock advice.
I'm not that sure you wanna say that on a guy who's worth $30B by following that same advice you just described as unreliable ...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on February 18, 2015, 12:50:53 AM
I'm not saying I agree with his target, I'm saying that if he's just putting out high targets because he "owns the stock" and drives an agenda, he could've put out higher targets and still get away with it.I'm not that sure you wanna say that on a guy who's worth $30B by following that same advice you just described as unreliable ...

He's only worth something because he didn't listen to the analysts.
And also because he bought when the price was closer to $60, not over double that price.
Last but not least, his bank account size doesn't make his bias any less tolerable.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on February 18, 2015, 12:57:53 AM

He's only worth something because he didn't listen to the analysts.
He's not an analyst.
And also because he bought when the price was closer to $60, not over double that price.
Imagine you taking his advice when he first bought the stock...
Last but not least, his bank account size doesn't make his bias any less tolerable.
Bias proven to be accurate, is bias I wanna rely on.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on February 18, 2015, 07:30:37 AM
Lol he's saying that it's worth nearly 700b more than the consensus and you take his words seriously?
He has provided good advice to Tim Cook but don't rely on him for stock advice.

I would not have the guts talking like that about him.
check out his stock IEP
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on February 18, 2015, 11:06:04 AM

I would not have the guts talking like that about him.
check out his stock IEP
+$33.6B
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/18/2d4e7135a8d77d9ec810ae072130f951.jpg)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on February 18, 2015, 11:36:31 AM
He's not an analyst.Imagine you taking his advice when he first bought the stock...Bias proven to be accurate, is bias I wanna rely on.

1. Never said he was. My point is that billionaires didn't become rich by copying others.
2. I bought stock earlier than him and at a better price, not sure of your point.
3. Okay, whatever floats your boat.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Gohabs on February 19, 2015, 01:15:27 PM
Hi,
I was just browsing through and thought I'd ask your guys opinion.
Should I contribute to 401k if employer matches 3% regardless of my contribution?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on February 19, 2015, 02:05:37 PM
Hi,
I was just browsing through and thought I'd ask your guys opinion.
Should I contribute to 401k if employer matches 3% regardless of my contribution?

as opposed to not saving for retirement or saving for other things?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: stmark on February 19, 2015, 02:30:15 PM
Hi,
I was just browsing through and thought I'd ask your guys opinion.
Should I contribute to 401k if employer matches 3% regardless of my contribution?
Always contribute to the max of the match.  Free money you are passing up.
After the match amount contribute to an IRA on the side.  After maxing an IRA you can put more in the 401k. You have to run the math if you can do without additional money from your paycheck to determine if any contribution is worth it.  If you need the money and cant set aside even 3% then you should look for a higher paying job.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on February 19, 2015, 02:37:09 PM
Always contribute to the max of the match.  Free money you are passing up.
After the match amount contribute to an IRA on the side.  After maxing an IRA you can put more in the 401k. You have to run the math if you can do without additional money from your paycheck to determine if any contribution is worth it.  If you need the money and cant set aside even 3% then you should look for a higher paying job.

its not a match he said he gets the 3% regardless of contribution. He needs to decide if he wants to have the saving automated by putting extra into a 401k or can he do it on his own. Either way if he wants to save more than $5500 a year (ira limit) he should be contributing to his 401k.

Look into a roth vs regular ira/401k.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Gohabs on February 19, 2015, 06:03:16 PM
as opposed to not saving for retirement or saving for other things?
As apposed  to saving with IRA..
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Gohabs on February 19, 2015, 06:07:36 PM
its not a match he said he gets the 3% regardless of contribution. He needs to decide if he wants to have the saving automated by putting extra into a 401k or can he do it on his own. Either way if he wants to save more than $5500 a year (ira limit) he should be contributing to his 401k.

Look into a roth vs regular ira/401k.
Exactly. So I stop contributing to 401k, Until I fill up IRA  limit. Where would you recommend opening IRA?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Gohabs on February 19, 2015, 06:11:51 PM
its not a match he said he gets the 3% regardless of contribution. He needs to decide if he wants to have the saving automated by putting extra into a 401k or can he do it on his own. Either way if he wants to save more than $5500 a year (ira limit) he should be contributing to his 401k.

Look into a roth vs regular ira/401k.
To be clear there is no other benifit besides for convenience , in contributing to 401k if there is no match?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on February 19, 2015, 11:31:49 PM
As apposed  to saving with IRA..

IRA is nicer to max out first generally since you will have more control over your investments and likely pay less fees over time (some 401k plans really stink when it comes to fees). but 401k has a higher overall contribution limit per year allowing you to put away more over time.

Exactly. So I stop contributing to 401k, Until I fill up IRA  limit. Where would you recommend opening IRA?

Ideally if you know you are going to save lets say $1000 per month and $5500 would go to your IRA you would want the other 6500 spread out over the year. Its harder (paperwork) with a lot of 401k plans to "turn them on and off" a couple times a year.

I know one company I worked at it was easy to do so maxing out the IRA first made sense to me and then with a couple clicks online I could direct more to the 401k. Another company I worked for would have been a bigger hassle to do it that way.

You can open up your IRA with any company, If you plan on actively trading stocks then make sure to look into trading fees. Fidelity, Schwab, vanguard, etrade, they all work you just have to find something that you like. I use fidelity, although I don't trade very often and I really like their cash management account (checking).
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Gohabs on February 20, 2015, 07:22:04 AM
Yup my 401k fund options stink. I can adjust my contributions online so I don't have to worry about that.
However, since my employer offers a 401k. I believe there are conditions to a deductible IRA. My AGI must be under x amount, I don't know the exact number but with my pass through LLC (rental income) I believe I exceed that limit. Anyway around this?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on February 20, 2015, 10:13:07 AM
Yup my 401k fund options stink. I can adjust my contributions online so I don't have to worry about that.
However, since my employer offers a 401k. I believe there are conditions to a deductible IRA. My AGI must be under x amount, I don't know the exact number but with my pass through LLC (rental income) I believe I exceed that limit. Anyway around this?

I don't know for sure. You can google to see what your MAGI needs to be under. remember contributions will lower your MAGI.

You may just want to contribute to 401k and then at tax time you can tell your accountant to see if you can make a contribution to the previous year.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Gohabs on February 23, 2015, 05:33:52 PM
Thanx will do.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on February 24, 2015, 11:49:48 AM
AVGO reporting tomorrow
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: insider on February 24, 2015, 12:09:53 PM
What are the alternatives to SPDR ETF?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: stmark on February 24, 2015, 01:55:50 PM
I have heard Kevin O'leary talking about buying corporate debt because it pays a better dividend.  Is there a fund or ETF that I can look at for this?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on February 24, 2015, 02:37:16 PM
What are the alternatives to SPDR ETF?

SPDR is just a name of a company that creates and manages ETF's.
Others include Barclays and Vanguard.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: insider on February 24, 2015, 04:29:44 PM
SPDR is just a name of a company that creates and manages ETF's.
Others include Barclays and Vanguard.
Thank you. I tried SPDR, and fidelity four in one (which is a mutual fund). In your experience, which company is the best bang for the buck?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: jackofall on February 24, 2015, 04:33:40 PM
Anybody have a good idea of best to take advantage of future (inevitable) rising fuel prices given the current low prices?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: itsallgood on February 24, 2015, 04:35:55 PM
Anybody have a good idea of best to take advantage of future (inevitable) rising fuel prices given the current low prices?
Make sure to fill up your cars?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: jackofall on February 24, 2015, 05:02:14 PM
Make sure to fill up your cars?
More like future contracts, ETF's that mimic crude prices, options on ETFs etc.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: itsallgood on February 24, 2015, 08:39:29 PM
More like future contracts, ETF's that mimic crude prices, options on ETFs etc.
I was just pulling your leg:)

I'd also look into stocks of oil-based companies that are currently undervalued due to their ties to CO. Curious what others around here think
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mikeoracle on February 25, 2015, 08:58:31 AM
Anybody have a good idea of best to take advantage of future (inevitable) rising fuel prices given the current low prices?
IF you can handle high risk, look into UWTI which is 3x leveraged bullish in oil.
It's a bit complicated how it works so research before buying.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: snowwhite on February 25, 2015, 11:17:06 AM
What do you guys think about JCP? Earnings tomorrow after market. Have been holding couple of them. Not sure whether I can keep those and sell them before the results?

Pour in you thoughts.

TIA!!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on February 25, 2015, 11:30:30 AM
IF you can handle high risk, look into UWTI which is 3x leveraged bullish in oil.
It's a bit complicated how it works so research before buying.
very interesting. never heard of this.  care to share any more info, im using google as well but any info helps
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: snowwhite on February 25, 2015, 11:44:41 AM
What do you guys think about JCP? Earnings tomorrow after market. Have been holding couple of them. Not sure whether I can keep those and sell them before the results?

Pour in you thoughts.

TIA!!

Just saw someone replied to this, but don't see it any more. Am I missing something?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on February 25, 2015, 01:54:33 PM
Anybody have a good idea of best to take advantage of future (inevitable) rising fuel prices given the current low prices?

im currently holding a position on DVN
USO might also be an option for you
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mikeoracle on February 25, 2015, 03:55:53 PM
im currently holding a position on DVN
USO might also be an option for you
I was once contemplating USO as a bullish Oil play but was dissuaded by a guy in the financial industry. He said that USO will always under-perform by a few percent a year because of the hedge funds that buy up the newer future contracts right before USO is scheduled to, which forces USO to purchase the futures a few times a year at a slightly higher price point.
Since USO is such a large fund and needs to buy these large future contracts on a preset schedule (I think a day or 2 before the last contract expires), the hedge funds pump it up ahead of them for a quick profit.

RJN may be another option to look into.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mikeoracle on February 25, 2015, 05:13:43 PM
very interesting. never heard of this.  care to share any more info, im using google as well but any info helps
DWTI is the inverse 3x Leverage against OIL if you are bearish.

The following is my understanding of how these work. Basically they closely mimic the percentage increase/decrease in Crude oil but at 3X. So a 5% increase in Crude would be roughly a 15% increase in the price of UWTI and -15% on DWTI.
Here comes the fun math part- this goes by day. SO for example to keep things simple say we are at a point where Oil and UWTI are both at $100.
Day #1 Oil goes up 20% to $120, UWTI will go up 60% to $160
Day #2 Oil goes down 20% to $96, UWTI will go down 60% to $64
Day #3 Oil goes up 20% to $115.20, UWTI will go up 60% to $102.40
ETC ETC, of course this is an extreme example just to bring the point across that over the long term the return wont be 3x the return of oil, it all depends on the Volatility on the way up (or down).
The less volatility the closer it will be to the 3x mark.

Does this make sense?

(Above is simplified, its probably much more complex)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on February 25, 2015, 05:21:31 PM
DWTI is the inverse 3x Leverage against OIL if you are bearish.

The following is my understanding of how these work. Basically they closely mimic the percentage increase/decrease in Crude oil but at 3X. So a 5% increase in Crude would be roughly a 15% increase in the price of UWTI and -15% on DWTI.
Here comes the fun math part- this goes by day. SO for example to keep things simple say we are at a point where Oil and UWTI are both at $100.
Day #1 Oil goes up 20% to $120, UWTI will go up 60% to $160
Day #2 Oil goes down 20% to $96, UWTI will go down 60% to $64
Day #3 Oil goes up 20% to $115.20, UWTI will go up 60% to $102.40
ETC ETC, of course this is an extreme example just to bring the point across that over the long term the return wont be 3x the return of oil, it all depends on the Volatility on the way up (or down).
The less volatility the closer it will be to the 3x mark.

Does this make sense?

(Above is simplified, its probably much more complex)



in other words its a great day trade for heavy gamblers but never ever hold this position more then a few hours or even a day !
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: jackofall on February 25, 2015, 05:56:39 PM


in other words its a great day trade for heavy gamblers but never ever hold this position more then a few hours or even a day !
Also, I believe, the fund (all heavily leveraged funds) resets itself, I think daily, so there is additional fluctuations unrelated to the underlying asset.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mikeoracle on February 25, 2015, 06:22:06 PM


in other words its a great day trade for heavy gamblers but never ever hold this position more then a few hours or even a day !
that depends on a lot of things, above I mentioned an extreme example. Typically if you are right in the direction and the volatility isn't crazy you should be ok.
Try comparing the charts to get a feel of how this stock reacts to oil movements. Oil typically does not move 20% in a day...
I'm actually long myself since yesterday but I'm monitoring it very closely. My plan is to sell off a chunk on a spike in the next few days or just get out.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mikeoracle on February 25, 2015, 06:26:47 PM
Also, I believe, the fund (all heavily leveraged funds) resets itself, I think daily, so there is additional fluctuations unrelated to the underlying asset.
this is probably why the percentages aren't exactly 3X
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on February 26, 2015, 12:42:30 PM
what are the thoughts on oil? did it bottom? or the worst is yet to come?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on February 26, 2015, 12:48:27 PM
what are the thoughts on oil? did it bottom? or the worst is yet to come?
I was wondering that too I might be interested in that UWTI
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: snowwhite on February 26, 2015, 02:12:40 PM
Any recommendations on TSLA? Is it a good buy at this point?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on February 26, 2015, 02:15:28 PM
Any recommendations on TSLA? Is it a good buy at this point?
I would say so but it depends how long you want to hold onto it.
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Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: jackofall on February 26, 2015, 03:21:04 PM
I would say so but it depends how long you want to hold onto it.
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I am more of a contrarian. A stock that is very hot in the media, chances are it is over priced. Not to say that it isn't a good company to invest in however, given the big hype abt it now it is Prob over-priced.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: stmark on February 26, 2015, 04:18:58 PM
What about DQ?

Seems like an opportunity to get in on a large target of the average price.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on February 27, 2015, 12:45:57 PM
any comments regarding BABA at current price? people seem very skeptical
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on February 27, 2015, 02:25:22 PM
any comments regarding BABA at current price? people seem very skeptical

I would wait another few weeks, lock up expiration of 300+million shares coming up
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mikeoracle on March 02, 2015, 07:15:43 AM
I was wondering that too I might be interested in that UWTI
http://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/121714/look-uwti-leveraged-oil-etn.asp
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eli1571 on March 03, 2015, 01:36:01 PM
IS it time to sell S ? or still gonna go up ?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on March 03, 2015, 02:23:29 PM
$baba??
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Sport on March 03, 2015, 02:26:31 PM
$baba??
Wish I had some free cash to purchase babba.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on March 03, 2015, 02:28:41 PM
Wish I had some free cash to purchase babba.
you think? many said that if it goes so low it will go way lower
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Sport on March 03, 2015, 02:31:59 PM
you think? many said that if it goes so low it will go way lower
I'm by no means knowledgeable. I just imagine it's a good long term bet.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on March 03, 2015, 02:57:15 PM
$baba??

I would wait another few weeks, lock up expiration of 300+million shares coming up

Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Gohabs on March 12, 2015, 02:34:16 AM
What stock trading site should I use?
I'm thinking of opening with optionshouse. They seem to have the lowest fees and are are running a 10k united point promo... Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on March 12, 2015, 08:32:14 AM
What stock trading site should I use?
I'm thinking of opening with optionshouse. They seem to have the lowest fees and are are running a 10k united point promo... Any thoughts?

Search for the brokerage thread.
I'm very satisfied with TradeKing. 
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on March 12, 2015, 09:29:09 AM
What stock trading site should I use?
I'm thinking of opening with optionshouse. They seem to have the lowest fees and are are running a 10k united point promo... Any thoughts?
I started with TD Ameritrade but now I've been using Robinhood trades are completely free
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Gohabs on March 12, 2015, 06:12:47 PM
Search for the brokerage thread.
I'm very satisfied with TradeKing.
Thanx.
Can you pls post the link to the thread , I don't think I found the right one..
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eAge on March 13, 2015, 01:14:19 PM
Anybody's playing $LL?
It looks soooo tempting
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: WhiteWolf on March 16, 2015, 12:15:24 AM
I started with TD Ameritrade but now I've been using Robinhood trades are completely free

@Shmulie How has your experience been with Robinhood? Do they have a online platform or only app?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on March 16, 2015, 12:32:26 AM
@Shmulie How has your experience been with Robinhood? Do they have a online platform or only app?
currently only iphone app. search for the robinhood thread, there is one discussing it all
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: WhiteWolf on March 16, 2015, 12:52:11 AM
Thank You will check it out!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: joshnuss on March 17, 2015, 12:47:16 PM
just curious what sites do you guys use to get stock info like good value stock or growth stock etc etc ? sites like motley fool, investing.com.........
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on March 17, 2015, 02:54:49 PM
just curious what sites do you guys use to get stock info like good value stock or growth stock etc etc ? sites like motley fool, investing.com.........

Google finance, yahoo finance, seeking alpha, and any decent stock screener.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on March 17, 2015, 09:34:54 PM
Wish I had some free cash to purchase babba.

Quote
Still, the 437 million shares that go on sale on Wednesday exceed the 368 million it sold in the IPO.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Sport on March 17, 2015, 09:42:22 PM

So are you saying to buy tomorrow?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on March 17, 2015, 11:02:06 PM
So are you saying to buy tomorrow?

no.

Quote
A larger lock-up of more than a billion shares held by insiders, including Yahoo! Inc expires in September

https://news.fidelity.com/news/news.jhtml?articleid=201503172042RTRSNEWSCOMBINED_KBN0MD2IU_1&cat=Top.Investing.RT&IMG=Y
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Sport on March 17, 2015, 11:11:48 PM
no.

https://news.fidelity.com/news/news.jhtml?articleid=201503172042RTRSNEWSCOMBINED_KBN0MD2IU_1&cat=Top.Investing.RT&IMG=Y
"While some anticipate a small drop in the stock price Wednesday as a result of the lockup, many analysts believe the end of the lockup has already been priced in."
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: stmark on April 01, 2015, 09:47:10 AM
Just out of curiosity has anyone consulted a rav about trading stocks during chol hamoed?  Not as a full time professional.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: caliheat on April 01, 2015, 10:31:54 AM
Just out of curiosity has anyone consulted a rav about trading stocks during chol hamoed?  Not as a full time professional.
I just puked.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: joshnuss on April 01, 2015, 10:33:00 AM
+1
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: joshnuss on April 01, 2015, 10:33:28 AM
I not sure about what though ;D
Title: Stocks
Post by: benjie1305 on April 09, 2015, 11:28:13 AM
I thought this article was pretty good.

http://blogs.cfainstitute.org/investor/2015/04/09/the-only-equities-most-investors-should-buy/
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on April 09, 2015, 03:49:49 PM
any suggestions on where to open a new Roth IRA?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: george on April 12, 2015, 05:53:22 PM
any suggestions on where to open a new Roth IRA?
Vangaurd.com
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: good sam on April 27, 2015, 04:24:59 PM
I'm on the edge of my seat...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: good sam on April 27, 2015, 04:38:09 PM
Apple beats the street again. Stock price up modestly after hours.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on April 28, 2015, 12:08:25 PM
You know Wall Street hates AAPL when u see :

NFLX jumps 17% when reporting a profit of $24 Million  ,
AMZN jumps 12% when reporting a $550 Million loss

and

AAPL reports a $13 BILLION profit and drops 3%
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on April 28, 2015, 12:11:12 PM
;D;D;D
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: killamatic12 on April 28, 2015, 12:30:49 PM
You know Wall Street hates AAPL when u see :

NFLX jumps 17% when reporting a profit of $24 Million  ,
AMZN jumps 12% when reporting a $550 Million loss

and

AAPL reports a $13 BILLION profit and drops 3%
its probably going to close at 134-135 though
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on April 28, 2015, 02:38:17 PM
its probably going to close at 134-135 though

We shall see about that one.
$131 now.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on April 28, 2015, 03:10:14 PM
@fc
AMZN & NFLX have a combined MC of roughly a 1/3 of AAPLs, which makes them more likely to pop after a good report (or in AMZNs case, a report indicating future growth).
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: caliheat on April 28, 2015, 03:57:51 PM
its probably going to close at 134-135 though
If not today, within the week.
Lackluster iPad sales etc. causing a drop..
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ckmk47 on April 30, 2015, 10:09:49 AM

VRTX is a drug company that's come out with a new cystic fibrosis drug that's under review by the FDA.
The announcement by the FDA on whether they will approve the drug or not is set for May 12.


It is likely they will approve it's use:
CF disease has few drugs available for treatment.
The CF foundation was involved in the testing of this drug and is backing approval.
The precursor of this drug is already on the market and works for specific CF patients.


If the drug is approved, the stock should jump.  This is a volatile stock.  In the last 3 months its gone from $110 to over $135, back to $115 and then back up over $135 again.  After hours yesterday, they reported a bigger loss than expected, so the stock price dropped.  It was already going down after rumors that it will be bought out were quashed.


My play. 
I expect the drug to be approved.  I hope it will pop up to at least $137, the high it hit twice in the last 3 months.
I bought call options that expire on May 15. 3 days after the FDA announcement. 
I bought calls that the option + the premium cost less than $134.  That gives me $3 each one profit.


Or I could loose the entire amount.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eAge on April 30, 2015, 02:03:59 PM

VRTX is a drug company that's come out with a new cystic fibrosis drug that's under review by the FDA.
The announcement by the FDA on whether they will approve the drug or not is set for May 12.


It is likely they will approve it's use:
CF disease has few drugs available for treatment.
The CF foundation was involved in the testing of this drug and is backing approval.
The precursor of this drug is already on the market and works for specific CF patients.


If the drug is approved, the stock should jump.  This is a volatile stock.  In the last 3 months its gone from $110 to over $135, back to $115 and then back up over $135 again.  After hours yesterday, they reported a bigger loss than expected, so the stock price dropped.  It was already going down after rumors that it will be bought out were quashed.


My play. 
I expect the drug to be approved.  I hope it will pop up to at least $137, the high it hit twice in the last 3 months.
I bought call options that expire on May 15. 3 days after the FDA announcement. 
I bought calls that the option + the premium cost less than $134.  That gives me $3 each one profit.


Or I could loose the entire amount.
Will be watching
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: jackofall on April 30, 2015, 02:14:10 PM
VRTX is a drug company that's come out with a new cystic fibrosis drug that's under review by the FDA.
The announcement by the FDA on whether they will approve the drug or not is set for May 12.


It is likely they will approve it's use:
CF disease has few drugs available for treatment.
The CF foundation was involved in the testing of this drug and is backing approval.
The precursor of this drug is already on the market and works for specific CF patients.


If the drug is approved, the stock should jump.  This is a volatile stock.  In the last 3 months its gone from $110 to over $135, back to $115 and then back up over $135 again.  After hours yesterday, they reported a bigger loss than expected, so the stock price dropped.  It was already going down after rumors that it will be bought out were quashed.


My play. 
I expect the drug to be approved.  I hope it will pop up to at least $137, the high it hit twice in the last 3 months.
I bought call options that expire on May 15. 3 days after the FDA announcement. 
I bought calls that the option + the premium cost less than $134.  That gives me $3 each one profit.


Or I could loose the entire amount.
Care to elaborate what the premium was, strike price ....
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ckmk47 on May 01, 2015, 12:20:53 PM
Care to elaborate what the premium was, strike price ....
The stock is now 124.20
A may15 call with a strike price of 125 cost (premium) $5-6.  So if the stock is above the strike price on may15, you'll pay a total of 125 + (lets say) 5.50 = $130.50.  Any amount the stock is higher than 130.50 is profit (less fees).
The price of the stock has fallen a few dollars since yesterday, so the options are cheaper.
(It often pays to just sell the call - at approximately the same profit - on or right before expiration.)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on May 01, 2015, 12:36:51 PM

The stock is now 124.20
(It often pays to just sell the call - at approximately the same profit - on or right before expiration.)
I'm not that familiar with option trading, but who would buy an out of the money call 1 day before it expires?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ckmk47 on May 01, 2015, 03:01:11 PM
I'm not that familiar with option trading, but who would buy an out of the money call 1 day before it expires?
This stock has weekly options.  I'm talking about the monthly ones - May 15.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on May 05, 2015, 11:12:19 AM
VRTX is a drug company that's come out with a new cystic fibrosis drug that's under review by the FDA.
The announcement by the FDA on whether they will approve the drug or not is set for May 12.


It is likely they will approve it's use:
CF disease has few drugs available for treatment.
The CF foundation was involved in the testing of this drug and is backing approval.
The precursor of this drug is already on the market and works for specific CF patients.


If the drug is approved, the stock should jump.  This is a volatile stock.  In the last 3 months its gone from $110 to over $135, back to $115 and then back up over $135 again.  After hours yesterday, they reported a bigger loss than expected, so the stock price dropped.  It was already going down after rumors that it will be bought out were quashed.


My play. 
I expect the drug to be approved.  I hope it will pop up to at least $137, the high it hit twice in the last 3 months.
I bought call options that expire on May 15. 3 days after the FDA announcement. 
I bought calls that the option + the premium cost less than $134.  That gives me $3 each one profit.


Or I could loose the entire amount.
these options have extremely large spreads.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ckmk47 on May 05, 2015, 12:48:18 PM
these options have extremely large spreads.
Put in a bid you can live with and see if a seller bites.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on May 08, 2015, 09:50:31 AM
VRTX is a drug company that's come out with a new cystic fibrosis drug that's under review by the FDA.
The announcement by the FDA on whether they will approve the drug or not is set for May 12.

If the drug is approved, the stock should jump.  This is a volatile stock.  In the last 3 months its gone from $110 to over $135, back to $115 and then back up over $135 again.  After hours yesterday, they reported a bigger loss than expected, so the stock price dropped.  It was already going down after rumors that it will be bought out were quashed.

Will be watching
report this morning that this drug may not be so useful, the stock went down 6%. the market opens, stock up 4%. lol ;)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Emkay on May 11, 2015, 06:24:37 AM
$200 bonus when opening a new tradeking account with minimum $3000 http://welcome.tradeking.com/200-cash/
HT:mightytravels
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on May 12, 2015, 10:47:00 AM
VRTX is a drug company that's come out with a new cystic fibrosis drug that's under review by the FDA.
The announcement by the FDA on whether they will approve the drug or not is set for May 12.


 ::)      #patience
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ckmk47 on May 12, 2015, 12:51:18 PM
Yesterday the 'preliminary' report from the committee came out.  The FDA mostly follows their recommendations.  Their report was decidedly parve. 
I'm in, so I just have to wait out the day to see if I lose the whole pot or rake in the gold.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on May 12, 2015, 12:56:30 PM
Yesterday the 'preliminary' report from the committee came out.  The FDA mostly follows their recommendations.  Their report was decidedly parve. 
I'm in, so I just have to wait out the day to see if I lose the whole pot or rake in the gold.
::)      #patience


i wish the two of you and all shareholders lots of luck, i didnt have a good feeling after reading up about them. too much risk for not enough upside...
In general the pharma stocks are so dangerous ...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on May 12, 2015, 12:58:07 PM

i wish the two of you and all shareholders lots of luck, i didnt have a good feeling after reading up about them. too much risk for not enough upside...
In general the pharma stocks are so dangerous ...
i have very little money in this. but the risk is the possibility of the option going to zero yet the reward can be very great in this situation.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: somefield on May 12, 2015, 02:58:04 PM
Live blog of the FDA meeting on VRTX
http://www.thestreet.com/story/13146202/1/vertex-pharma-cystic-fibrosis-fda-advisory-panel-live-blog.html
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on May 12, 2015, 04:17:10 PM
Ad Comm votes 12 - 1 in favor of approval for Vertex's Orkambi

The FDA's Pulmonary-Allergy Advisory Committee votes 12 - 1 supporting
 the regulatory approval of Vertex Pharmaceuticals' (VRTX) Orkambi (lumacaftor/ivacaftor)
 for the treatment of cystic fibrosis patients with the F508del mutation.


It voted 13 - 0 that the product is safe.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on May 12, 2015, 04:19:23 PM
now when does this stock reopen for trading? ;) :P
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ckmk47 on May 12, 2015, 05:00:03 PM
Tomorrow, first thing, there'll be lots of movement.
I don't remember for sure from the last time I pulled this, but I think in the first half hour the stock will soar.
I think I'll going to dump most of my calls around/ before 10 am.  I guess I'll see tomorrow what really happens.
It his $135 in after hour trading. I expect a big surge when the market opens.  Then people start 'profit taking' and coming to their senses, so the price falls a bit.  Sometimes later in the day there's a new surge, but I won't count on it.  Sell 9:45- 10:00 am.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ckmk47 on May 12, 2015, 05:22:00 PM

i wish the two of you and all shareholders lots of luck, i didnt have a good feeling after reading up about them. too much risk for not enough upside...
In general the pharma stocks are so dangerous ...
Just a note about my 'tip'.  This was not a recommendation for the stock per se.  It was a bet that the drug would be approved and the stock would pop. I said how I expect to take advantage of that temporary pop.  I don't expect to hold this stock.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ckmk47 on May 12, 2015, 07:44:59 PM
Plan for the NEXT PLAY:


Tomorrow the stock will jump in price.  Over the next few weeks, it likely will return to it's pre-good news low/volatility.  So now we bet on it's price drifting downward. 
This new play is independent of the previous bet that it would go up.  That was dependent on the FDA decision (that went our way, B"H).  This one depends on human nature - the excitement wears off, the realization that not all patients will benefit from this drug and that profits are not yet here.


So we buy a 'put' when the stock is near it's high in the next few days - maybe even first thing in the morning. (Although it's hard to get a price/purchase when the stock is moving fast.)
I want to buy a put for Aug.  That give the stock 3 months to get low enough to give us a profit. But there are no Aug options listed yet.  They'll probably get listed after Fri's May options expiration.  I don't want to wait until Mon to do this, so I'll have to choose between July - might be too soon for the stock to get really low, and Oct - the price of the put will be higher because with options you're buying time.


Either way- don't keep the option until expiration!  Sell when you have a decent profit- whenever the stock has a dip.  It's a volatile stock- it will dip.
I'll probably get the Oct put.  I'm buying time, but if I sell it by July or Aug I'll be able to sell some of that time to the next guy.


[When we buy a put, we obligate someone else to buy the stock at the strike price of the put. 
So if a stock is $50.  And we buy a July 17 put for 50 and pay a premium of $3.
If on July 17, the stock is down to 45. We sell the stock (that we don't own) for 50.
50 - 3 = 47.  then we buy the stock for 45.  47 - 45 = $2 profit for each stock. x 100 stocks in each option = $200.
Of course, if the stock has a bad day, or even if it's down to 45 in the middle of June.  We sell the put for more than the $3 we bought it at. In fact, the majority of options don't last all the way to expiration.]
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ckmk47 on May 13, 2015, 08:22:04 AM
On 2nd thought!!


The final decision of the FDA on this drug is going to be in July.  The stock may stay up and not drift down enouhg before then.
I'm rethinking buying a put yet.  I certainly won't put a lot of money into it.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yos9694 on May 14, 2015, 04:34:11 PM
Just curious, why are you playing this through options? Why not take a position in the stock instead of paying the additional transaction fees and costs/risks of a derivative? For example, in your first post you quoted the stock at ~124.2 and the option k=125 at ~5.5 for a break even above 130. The stock did in fact open above 130 the other day, but quickly retreated below your BE point. So even if you sold immediately at open your margin was very thin. But had you bought the stock outright at 124.2 you could have profited 5.5 or more at the open.

I'll give 2 strawman reasons for using options as an investment instead of as a hedge: 1) For leverage, 2) For downside protection. But leverage can be obtained at a much lower cost through margin, and downside protection can be obtained at a much lower cost through buying puts. For example, if you had bought shares at 124.2 plus puts k=120 for ~1 or 2, your downside risk would be no more than 4.2+2 but your breakeven would be at 126.2 - a full $4 less than in your strategy. And with such a short investment horizon, you could use margin to multiply that investment as much as you wanted.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ADG on May 14, 2015, 04:47:59 PM
This sounds so cool... to bad i have know clue what ur talking about.... is there a 101 place to learn?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ckmk47 on May 15, 2015, 07:04:10 PM
The thought process on the stock was mostly sound.
The price points were off.  So it didn't work as planned.
My lesson for next time:  Don't have such a small window between the cause of the stock surge and the close of the option.   I lost most of my investment.  If I had bought June calls, I would have another month to wait for a higher stock price.  I guess I was too cheap to pay the extra premium - my loss!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ckmk47 on May 15, 2015, 07:17:19 PM
 yos9694.  The reason to play this through options rather than owning the stock outright.
If I bought options at $7 a piece, then I can buy 5 options - controlling a total of 500 stocks - for $3500.
If I were to use $3500 to buy the stock, at $125 each, I can buy 28 individual stocks.
So if the price went up to 135, the gain would be $10 x 28 = $280
But 5 options with a gain of $3 a stock  (125 + 7) is 500 x 3 = $1500


I didn't think about using puts as a hedge.  It's probably sometimes a better strategy.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on May 16, 2015, 10:27:27 PM
The thought process on the stock was mostly sound.
The price points were off.  So it didn't work as planned.
My lesson for next time:  Don't have such a small window between the cause of the stock surge and the close of the option.   I lost most of my investment.  If I had bought June calls, I would have another month to wait for a higher stock price.  I guess I was too cheap to pay the extra premium - my loss!
+1 although i only lost a small part since i bought at a lower price point than you, it would be worth to have a little later expiration. as you saw Fridays action would've helped the situation
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yos9694 on May 16, 2015, 10:58:52 PM
yos9694.  The reason to play this through options rather than owning the stock outright.
If I bought options at $7 a piece, then I can buy 5 options - controlling a total of 500 stocks - for $3500.
If I were to use $3500 to buy the stock, at $125 each, I can buy 28 individual stocks.
So if the price went up to 135, the gain would be $10 x 28 = $280
But 5 options with a gain of $3 a stock  (125 + 7) is 500 x 3 = $1500


I didn't think about using puts as a hedge.  It's probably sometimes a better strategy.

So for leverage. See above. If used properly, the same play using margin would be more profitable.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yos9694 on May 16, 2015, 11:00:11 PM
+1 although i only lost a small part since i bought at a lower price point than you, it would be worth to have a little later expiration. as you saw Fridays action would've helped the situation

Later expiration = more $$ spent on time value. Seems like a waste of money.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on May 16, 2015, 11:02:36 PM
Later expiration = a little more $$ spent on a little more time value. Seems like a waste of money.
FTFY

just a little more would help. since there were only 2 days after the conclusion of the study.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yos9694 on May 16, 2015, 11:09:41 PM
Yes, I understand. But why spend money on time value at all? I simply don't think the strategy makes sense, because you are paying for something you don't want. Options have their uses, but in your case its the stock you want, so buy the stock.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: coralsnake on May 16, 2015, 11:11:52 PM
Yes, I understand. But why spend money on time value at all? I simply don't think the strategy makes sense, because you are paying for something you don't want. Options have their uses, but in your case its the stock you want, so buy the stock.
If you buy the stock you need more capital and have much more downside exposure.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yos9694 on May 16, 2015, 11:15:52 PM
No you don't. And if you do invest this way, just know that every time you make money you could have made more money if you had invested properly, and every time you lose money you could have lost less money by investing properly.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on May 17, 2015, 01:37:29 AM
Yes, I understand. But why spend money on time value at all? I simply don't think the strategy makes sense, because you are paying for something you don't want. Options have their uses, but in your case its the stock you want, so buy the stock.
there was an expected big move in the short term. We should pay for that Because we want some time for the move to happen. And now we didnt want the stock since it is very volitile  we only wanted to take advantage of the expected move. Which we needed to pay a premium for
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: coralsnake on May 17, 2015, 02:07:40 AM
No you don't. And if you do invest this way, just know that every time you make money you could have made more money if you had invested properly, and every time you lose money you could have lost less money by investing properly.
Assuming your comment above was made towards my previous comment- Unless something changed recently, when you buy a stock with cash or on margin your potential loss is the entire amount of the investment because the stock can go to 0.

When buying calls your potential loss is the amount paid for those calls (as they can expire worthless) which is always less that the cost of buying the underlying stock and having that stock go to 0.

If someone is looking for a decent amount of upside on a short term play with limited risk, options are safer and less costly than buying the stock outright and/or hedging the position with options.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on May 17, 2015, 02:27:07 AM
Risk shmisk.
If you're not buying crappy stocks you're not risking everything.
Buy with a "margin of safety" as described by Benjamin Graham.

You can buy options in a terrific company and still lose the entire investment.

That won't happen to you when buying stock outright if you follow basic guidelines.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: coralsnake on May 17, 2015, 08:02:42 AM
Risk shmisk.
If you're not buying crappy stocks you're not risking everything.
Buy with a "margin of safety" as described by Benjamin Graham.

You can buy options in a terrific company and still lose the entire investment.

That won't happen to you when buying stock outright if you follow basic guidelines.
You can buy stock in a "terrific" company and still lose the entire investment too.

That is a very foolish statement not supported by facts.

Ever heard of Enron, or Lehman Brothers? American Airlines went down below 15 cents. If you think it can't happen to your great stock you haven't been around long enough.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on May 17, 2015, 08:32:55 AM
You can buy stock in a "terrific" company and still lose the entire investment too.

That is a very foolish statement not supported by facts.

Ever heard of Enron, or Lehman Brothers? American Airlines went down below 15 cents. If you think it can't happen to your great stock you haven't been around long enough.

Those stocks all had major warning signs or were just not good at all.
So no idea what you're so worried about.
Again, read up about margin of safety. If a company has significant  assets that back up their market value, going bankrupt won't mean that shareholders don't get paid.

So a one in 100,000 chande of collapse of a terrible company where you still own the underlying assets vs losing your entire investment in a 50/50 chance.

Ps. I believe Lehman shareholders ended up recovering at least 40-50% of their investment.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: coralsnake on May 17, 2015, 08:42:07 AM
Again, read up about margin of safety.
I own and have read the Intelligent Investor multiple times.

For a short term play while limiting downside you're still better off with options. End of story.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on May 17, 2015, 09:54:53 AM

Those stocks all had major warning signs or were just not good at all.
So no idea what you're so worried about.
Again, read up about margin of safety. If a company has significant  assets that back up their market value, going bankrupt won't mean that shareholders don't get paid.

So a one in 100,000 chande of collapse of a terrible company where you still own the underlying assets vs losing your entire investment in a 50/50 chance.
+1
You could invest in a solid company, if your call didn't make it through the finish line your premium is toast, whereas when buying the stock outright you just end up with a smaller profit
Ps. I believe Lehman shareholders ended up recovering at least 40-50% of their investment.
Same with American Airlines, I sat through the entire bankruptcy fiasco not selling a single share, and ended up (as did all who slept through the roller pasted) with a 200% gain when the US Air merger details were executed, nobody could've predicted it with an options call...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on May 17, 2015, 09:55:43 AM
I own and have read the Intelligent Investor multiple times.

For a short term play while limiting downside you're still better off with options. End of story.

If you call plunking down money in companies that can go bankrupt in the next few days -"investing"- I hear.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ckmk47 on May 17, 2015, 11:07:26 AM
Later expiration = more $$ spent on time value. Seems like a waste of money.
Since I wasn't expecting to keep the option very long, I would have sold back most of the time value.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ckmk47 on May 17, 2015, 11:58:56 AM
yos9694
You taught me something.  Thank you.


To pass on his lesson.
Buy 100 of the stock @ 126 or so each (the price when I first wrote about it)
[The cost $12,600 - more than I care to spend on one gamble.  But you buy it on margin.  That is- you use the money of the brokerage house.  But that cost lots of money.  Not in this case, because it's for such a short time. 2-3 weeks.  At an interest of 7.5%,  each week cost less than $20.  So 3 weeks cost up to $60 per 100 stock.]
(In the same purchase transaction) Buy a put option at a strike price about $4 less than your purchase price.  That is - buy the ability to make someone else buy the stock from you for $122. This might have cost $3 per stock, which you have to buy in lots of 100 for each 'option'.
So your cost per stock is 126 + 3 =$129
If the stock goes up:
to $135, you sell the stock.  135 - 126 - 3 = $6 profit
to $128, you sell the stock.  128 - 126  - 3 = -$1 loss
etc
If the stock goes down, as it actually did:
a) It goes down below 122 - the put price:  you sell the stock for 122.   net cost: -126 - 3 + 122 = -$7 or a maximum loss of $7.
b) If it goes down to somewhere between 126 and 122:  you lose (126 - new stock price) + 3 (put premium)
But this will max out at the $7 of scenario (a).
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: joshnuss on May 18, 2015, 10:59:08 AM
Anybody here ever write articles for these stock sites like seeking alpha? they pay like 35 dollars per article if it gets approved and 10 dollars more per 1000 views
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Am on June 01, 2015, 10:02:02 AM
I have such a difficult time selling. I find it so much harder than buying
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: jackofall on June 01, 2015, 11:58:22 AM
I have such a difficult time selling. I find it so much harder than buying
My 2 cents. In order to successfully play the market, you should have an exit strategy before closing on a position thus eliminating the need to make tough decisions on the fly.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on June 01, 2015, 12:00:53 PM
My 2 cents. In order to successfully play the market, you should have an exit strategy before closing on a position thus eliminating the need to make tough decisions on the fly.
every trader will agree to that. but many times you must reconsider for one reason or another. like if the news has a very strong effect and sends the stock away from the regular levels, it might be wise to reconsider the strategy
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on June 01, 2015, 12:41:06 PM
If you call plunking down money in companies that can go bankrupt in the next few days -"investing"- I hear.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on June 01, 2015, 12:40:27 PM
If you call plunking down money in companies that can go bankrupt in the next few days -"investing"- I hear.
It's called speculating. 
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on June 01, 2015, 10:43:33 PM
moving this here. can anyone explain what deferred tax assets could have to do with the deal?


Quote
Responding to speculation in the card industry that Citigroup gave too much to Costco in negotiations earlier, Corbat said the deal is "without a doubt accretive" to shareholders and would be even if Citigroup did not have deferred tax assets it can use to shelter income from taxes.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: menachem_m on June 01, 2015, 10:51:28 PM
moving this here. can anyone explain what deferred tax assets could have to do with the deal?
Citi has $50B or so of deferred tax losses (which I think start to expire soon.)

So that puts then at a 35% (or whatever their effective tax rate is) advantage over Amex or anyone else.

Therefore they can drop their interchange fees so low that Amex would be losing money after taxes if they would give Costco the same rate. (Or at least it wouldn't be worthwhile.)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on June 01, 2015, 11:01:34 PM
thanks,

i guess businesses can't carry deferred tax losses forever?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: menachem_m on June 01, 2015, 11:07:38 PM
They changed the law around two years ago, not sure if Citis money gets grandfathered in or not.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on June 01, 2015, 11:09:44 PM
It's called speculating.

I know that, I was being sarcastic.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: snowwhite on June 08, 2015, 07:49:35 PM
TSLA - hold or sell?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on June 08, 2015, 08:12:52 PM
TSLA - hold or sell?
I've been debating that all day but I still think it has room to go higher when the Model X starts deliveries so I think i'll wait a bit
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: edgeman on June 08, 2015, 09:07:10 PM
Same here I'm going to hold. Do you think its crazy that tsla has a 31 Billion dollar market cap?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: grodnoking on June 08, 2015, 10:43:27 PM
Same here I'm going to hold. Do you think its crazy that tsla has a 31 Billion dollar market cap?
Tesla IS crazy. From Elon to its stock.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on June 08, 2015, 11:24:32 PM
Tesla IS crazy. From Elon to its stock.
Crazy in a GENIUS way  :P
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: grodnoking on June 08, 2015, 11:26:16 PM
Crazy in a GENIUS way 
Crazy as in its stock value and crazy as in he told his wife to stop crying over spilled milk... in reference to his dead 10 week old son!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: grodnoking on June 08, 2015, 11:27:15 PM
Crazy in a GENIUS way 
And from your profile it looks like your a huge fan of tesla.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on June 08, 2015, 11:31:47 PM
Crazy as in its stock value and crazy as in he told his wife to stop crying over spilled milk... in reference to his dead 10 week old son!

Or how about crazy like the man he named his company after...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on June 09, 2015, 12:12:32 AM
Crazy as in its stock value and crazy as in he told his wife to stop crying over spilled milk... in reference to his dead 10 week old son!
never heard that before but if its true thats sick!
where did you see it?
And from your profile it looks like your a huge fan of tesla.
Yup
Or how about crazy like the man he named his company after...
who was a great man IMO
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: grodnoking on June 09, 2015, 12:49:58 AM


never heard that before but if its true thats sick!
where did you see it?

 "She [his wife]recounted the story of how he was unfeeling after their first child died of SIDS and called her "emotionally manipulative" while she was going through the grieving process."
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on June 11, 2015, 04:28:38 PM


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-11/who-just-dumped-over-100-million-aapl
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: PTU on June 15, 2015, 10:26:32 PM

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-11/who-just-dumped-over-100-million-aapl
Quote
An ode to the new Apple clock

With iCon now dumping his stock

The countdown is on

To the end of his con

When fanboys are in for a shock


Lol
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on June 15, 2015, 10:33:59 PM

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-11/who-just-dumped-over-100-million-aapl

i dont recall MSFT having $178 Billion cash on hand ! yes you can say that again BILLION spelled with a B.
i dont recall MSFT generating $18 B profit in one quarter.
i dont recall MSFT having costumer camping out 24hours outside the store to grab the newest phones or gadgets.
this list can go on and on.

Apple is not just a technology company selling electronics and software.
im not here to pump the company but this is one of those stocks that people do feel comfortable putting all eggs in one basket.

what im saying, $178 Billion doesnt evaporate overnight.
 Icahn as an insider knows more then us, if he feels comfortable giving a $200+ Target Price im comfortable with that too. i will take $175 any day :-)


"VC Jason Calcanis predicts Apple will buy Tesla within 18 months, citing (among other things) Tesla's head-start in EV development, touchscreen UI investments, and plans for a battery gigafactory that could also benefit other Apple products. Elon Musk reportedly met with Apple M&A execs back in 2013." quote from today in Seeking Alpha

Just Saying :

 TSLA market value is $25.50 Billion
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on June 15, 2015, 10:50:25 PM


If I Icahn sells, the stock will take a more-than-a-short-term hit, it's a no brainer! (no pun intended).
If a loving father slaps his son on national TV, you know that son screwed up, big time.
I hope and pray that sell off wasn't iChan, I'm seriously considering taking a short position a day or two before his Q2 positions are publicized.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on June 15, 2015, 11:05:51 PM
If I Icahn sells, the stock will take a more-than-a-short-term hit, it's a no brainer! (no pun intended).
If a loving father slaps his son on national TV, you know that son screwed up, big time.
I hope and pray that sell off wasn't iChan, I'm seriously considering taking a short position a day or two before his Q2 positions are publicized.

Icahn isn't Apples daddy in any which way.
He's just playing the system making outrageous predictions and constantly revising them up.
You would think he has financial interest in pumping up the stock. Oh wait, he does...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on June 15, 2015, 11:50:26 PM
Icahn isn't Apples daddy in any which way.
He's just playing the system making outrageous predictions and constantly revising them up.
You would think he has financial interest in pumping up the stock. Oh wait, he does...
Exactly,
That's why when he sells, it should indicate there's no more juice left to be pumped out.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on June 16, 2015, 12:59:09 PM
he would make a bigger fool of himself if he had sold shares a few weeks after he upped the target price to $218 !
People will not take him seriously anymore.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Boruch999 on June 30, 2015, 04:12:35 PM
Anyone aware of a forum for discussion of option strategies?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Let3 on July 07, 2015, 05:30:49 PM
Any good buys now that china tech bubble burst?
(Or I am way off? - I'm new in the market)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on July 15, 2015, 01:10:59 PM
Whats today splay on NFLX ??
short or buy into earnings?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: maxmiles on July 15, 2015, 05:33:53 PM
Whats today splay on NFLX ??
short or buy into earnings?
I guess it was good
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yos9694 on July 15, 2015, 05:37:37 PM
Any good buys now that china tech bubble burst?
(Or I am way off? - I'm new in the market)

Buy when there's blood in the streets. You gotta have nerves of steel though.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: jungarmtl on July 16, 2015, 03:54:44 PM
I am new to the stocks any good ones to buy now?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on July 16, 2015, 05:45:20 PM
I am new to the stocks any good ones to buy now?

INTC, COF
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Wafflemuffins on July 17, 2015, 12:28:07 AM
Anyone invested in FBIOX? BH I've made a lot of money on this awesome mutual fund, and it keeps going up. :)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: brotha123 on July 17, 2015, 03:34:36 AM
Anyone invested in FBIOX? BH I've made a lot of money on this awesome mutual fund, and it keeps going up. :)
looks really good. Biotech is killn it of late.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Wafflemuffins on July 17, 2015, 04:27:12 AM
looks really good. Biotech is killn it of late.
Ya hopefully it stays that way
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ABC on July 20, 2015, 06:52:42 PM
Anyone uses this?  http://www.trading212.com/
Or is Robinhood cheaper.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Sport on July 20, 2015, 07:52:31 PM
Anyone uses this?  http://www.trading212.com/
Or is Robinhood cheaper.
Robinhood is free, but only works in app.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on July 21, 2015, 09:15:46 AM
Blue Buffalo IPO anyone?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: coralsnake on July 21, 2015, 09:28:32 AM
Blue Buffalo IPO anyone?
Has it been priced yet?

Are you talking about pre-market or after it opens for trading?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on July 21, 2015, 09:42:19 AM
So FB is pricing in expectations from GOOG big earnings last week. If they do well(based on new expectations) the stock shouldn't jump on earnings and if they don't hit the new expectations they probably fall post earnings. So it would seem like a relatively safe short, thoughts?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on July 21, 2015, 09:47:51 AM
Has it been priced yet?

Are you talking about pre-market or after it opens for trading?
they expect pricing today
Pre-market
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: wierdal832 on July 21, 2015, 10:16:34 PM

they expect pricing today
Pre-market
priced at 20
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on July 27, 2015, 12:10:51 PM
CMC but I bought S on Friday and buying today more..
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: googwallet on July 27, 2015, 02:19:19 PM
@fc
AMZN & NFLX have a combined MC of roughly a 1/3 of AAPLs, which makes them more likely to pop after a good report (or in AMZNs case, a report indicating future growth).
This guy was on target.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on July 27, 2015, 04:08:07 PM
CMC but I bought S on Friday and buying today more..
CMC?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on July 27, 2015, 04:09:47 PM

CMC?
First two is c'all m'e... I'll let you figure out the rest
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: brotha123 on July 27, 2015, 04:38:53 PM
CMC but I bought S on Friday and buying today more..
Youre not crazy. The stock at this point cant go much lower.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: KidOOO on July 27, 2015, 05:14:20 PM
Youre not crazy. The stock at this point cant go much lower.

One thing i learned is that a stock can ALWAYS go lower..
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on July 28, 2015, 11:38:19 AM
S up 7%
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on July 28, 2015, 12:05:36 PM
I'm still holding on to $S I think the expectations can't get any lower, and I think they're going to hit a turning point somewhere in '15.
Just bought more $S @ 18% down.. #believing
I bought S on Friday and buying today more..
One thing i learned is that a stock can ALWAYS go lower..
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on July 28, 2015, 12:07:55 PM
Im on this very same ride :'( , except that I didn't buy on Friday.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: KidOOO on July 28, 2015, 09:26:11 PM
S up 7%

Your not buying stocks. your playing slots
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on July 28, 2015, 09:31:56 PM
Your not buying stocks. your playing slots
Thank you, but i'm actually long S, never sold a single share.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: KidOOO on July 28, 2015, 09:37:51 PM
Thank you, but i'm actually long S, never sold a single share.

If your really long following it every day is pointless. let is sit and focus on other things

just my 2c
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on July 28, 2015, 09:41:20 PM
If your really long following it every day is pointless. let is sit and focus on other things

just my 2c
And you'll notify me every time there's a buying opportunity?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: KidOOO on July 28, 2015, 10:09:59 PM
And you'll notify me every time there's a buying opportunity?

If you intend on buying every time it goes below a certain price place a limit order with no expiration date

if you just want to get an alert when it hits a price set up a IFTTT https://ifttt.com/stocks

Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on July 28, 2015, 10:35:28 PM
If you intend on buying every time it goes below a certain price place a limit order with no expiration date

if you just want to get an alert when it hits a price set up a IFTTT https://ifttt.com/stocks
"Place a limit order with no expiration" what if they announce bankruptcy?
Thanks, but i don't mind the few seconds it takes to check up a ticker..
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on July 28, 2015, 10:40:22 PM
"Place a limit order with no expiration" what if they announce bankruptcy?
Thanks, but i don't mind the few seconds it takes to check up a ticker..
If you think they may announce bankruptcy then your investment is "gambling."
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on July 28, 2015, 11:01:28 PM
If you think they may announce bankruptcy then your investment is "gambling."

Not necessarily.
Some companies are worth more bankrupt.
(And even if it's not, a company can still have a large amount of assets after bankruptcy.)

ETA: S is currently selling for about half the price of it's total assets (0.57 Price/Book).
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=S+Key+Statistics
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on July 28, 2015, 11:41:37 PM




ETA: S is currently selling for about half the price of it's total assets (0.57 Price/Book).
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=S+Key+Statistics

Wow.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: KidOOO on July 29, 2015, 12:25:26 AM


ETA: S is currently selling for about half the price of it's total assets (0.57 Price/Book).
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=S+Key+Statistics

These things are usually factored in to the stock price
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on July 29, 2015, 12:26:46 AM
These things are usually factored in to the stock price

Sometimes, not always.
If it was always priced in, Warren Buffett and his teacher wouldn't be millionaire/billionaires.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on July 29, 2015, 08:51:44 AM
If you think they may announce bankruptcy then your investment is "gambling."
Um no, all i was saying is that checking up on a few stock symbols each day is far more practical than to place a limit order with no expiration, regardless of the company strength.
+
Not necessarily.
Some companies are worth more bankrupt.
(And even if it's not, a company can still have a large amount of assets after bankruptcy.)

ETA: S is currently selling for about half the price of it's total assets (0.57 Price/Book).
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=S+Key+Statistics
+
If they go bankrupt they'll probably merge with TMUS or someone else, which can be the best thing happening to shareholders in terms of getting the new company shares (i.e. American Airlines)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yos9694 on July 29, 2015, 12:16:47 PM
If they go bankrupt they'll probably merge with TMUS or someone else, which can be the best thing happening to shareholders in terms of getting the new company shares (i.e. American Airlines)

Every bankruptcy case is different. A judge can just as easily decide to give none of the new shares to the bankrupt stockholders.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on July 29, 2015, 12:19:43 PM

Every bankruptcy case is different. A judge can just as easily decide to give none of the new shares to the bankrupt stockholders.
+1
I guess that's why I wrote
If they go bankrupt they'll probably merge with TMUS or someone else, which can be the best thing happening to shareholders in terms of getting the new company shares (i.e. American Airlines)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: snowwhite on July 29, 2015, 01:56:34 PM
Thoughts on yelp? Good time to buy?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Let3 on July 29, 2015, 05:13:25 PM
Twtr?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Boruch999 on July 29, 2015, 06:21:58 PM
Twtr?

Sold Aug 21 $31 Puts
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on July 30, 2015, 01:42:58 PM
Who upset S?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: KidOOO on July 30, 2015, 02:38:10 PM
Sometimes, not always.
If it was always priced in, Warren Buffett and his teacher wouldn't be millionaire/billionaires.

It's usually the case. millions of people would have been as rich as warren buffet and his teacher otherwise.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on July 30, 2015, 03:15:53 PM
It's usually the case. millions of people would have been as rich as warren buffet and his teacher otherwise.

Efficient market theory has been proven false a million times over.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yos9694 on July 30, 2015, 04:09:39 PM
Efficient market theory has been proven false a million times over.

 ::) what a statement
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on July 30, 2015, 08:17:55 PM
::) what a statement

So I'm guessing you think Apples real value more than doubled in the past 2 years?
Based on what previously unknown information did the company gain around 400b in market cap?

The answer is simple.

Fools got burned when Apple got ahead of itself at over $700, and the same fools kept preaching not to buy when the valuation was cheap at $400. Now, those same fools think Apple should be at the equivalent of $1400+.

How efficient is a market where the worlds biggest company drops 50% and jumps 300-400% within the span of 2 years, when nothing has changed?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: everythinghjosh on August 03, 2015, 12:32:07 PM
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Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on August 03, 2015, 12:35:07 PM
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Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on August 11, 2015, 02:52:20 PM
Time to buy oil?  And if yes which stock/or whatever
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: caliheat on August 11, 2015, 03:51:01 PM
Who upset S?
in for a few, let's see where this goes..
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on August 11, 2015, 04:57:31 PM
When was the last time AAPL 'closed' at -5%? long time ago.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on August 11, 2015, 06:49:43 PM
When was the last time AAPL 'closed' at -5%? long time ago.

When celebrities photos were exposed.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on August 12, 2015, 10:04:13 AM
Not a nice day at all...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: fc on August 12, 2015, 05:28:06 PM
When was the last time AAPL 'closed' at -5%? long time ago.
following Q2 results few weeks ago
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on August 12, 2015, 05:31:45 PM

following Q2 results few weeks ago
Nope, it closed -4.3%
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: KidOOO on August 12, 2015, 05:39:21 PM
What do you guys think about dividend stocks? For example CVX  dividend is at 5% now. Why isn't that a steal?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: good sam on August 12, 2015, 06:17:51 PM
What do you guys think about dividend stocks? For example CVX  dividend is at 5% now. Why isn't that a steal?
My understanding, feel free to CMIIW:

Basically, the dividend is priced into the stock. When the company releases earnings, there's a certain amount that has to be paid out in dividends so the stock price will only reflect the amount of earnings exceeding the amount that has to be paid out. If there was no dividend, more cash from earnings would be retained by the company and the stock price would reflect the additional cash. In a perfect market, it should even out.

The benefit of solid dividend stocks is that they're able to pay out even when earnings are down, so your returns are more steady and predictable. Of course companies can always change the amount of their dividend so it's important to research how steady the dividend has been over the years and if there's been steady dividend growth.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: good sam on August 12, 2015, 06:23:18 PM
So I'm guessing you think Apples real value more than doubled in the past 2 years?
Based on what previously unknown information did the company gain around 400b in market cap?

The answer is simple.

Fools got burned when Apple got ahead of itself at over $700, and the same fools kept preaching not to buy when the valuation was cheap at $400. Now, those same fools think Apple should be at the equivalent of $1400+.

How efficient is a market where the worlds biggest company drops 50% and jumps 300-400% within the span of 2 years, when nothing has changed?
The reason your analysis is wrong is because your forgetting that the most important variable in valuing a company is its growth potential which is speculative. That can change drastically in a short period of time.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: aygart on August 12, 2015, 07:01:20 PM
How efficient is a market where the worlds biggest company drops 50% and jumps 300-400% within the span of 2 years, when nothing has changed?
I think that most of even the most fervent believers of efficient markets aren't referring to the short term
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Zevi16 on August 13, 2015, 01:45:11 PM
hi
where is a good place to deal online stocks in england?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Yeki89 on August 13, 2015, 02:05:12 PM
If you are trading US Stock, any US platform can work
Fidelity, Scottstrader ect
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Zevi16 on August 13, 2015, 02:06:57 PM
If you are trading US Stock, any US platform can work
Fidelity, Scottstrader ect
No most of them require a SSN.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Yeki89 on August 13, 2015, 02:07:17 PM
Anyone invested in FBIOX? BH I've made a lot of money on this awesome mutual fund, and it keeps going up. :)
Yes, I have shares in this MF.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on August 14, 2015, 07:55:02 AM
I think that most of even the most fervent believers of efficient markets aren't referring to the short term

Hmm...that's the whole idea of efficient market theory, that the current stock price takes into account all available news, rumors, and analysis....

Why you're referring to is more in line with Benjamin Graham- ie. In the short term the market acts like a voting machine (prices go up and down based on popularity among speculators), while in the long term the market is like a weighing machine (more reflective of real value). This has nothing to do with efficient market theory, it's actually almost completely opposite of it.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on August 14, 2015, 08:17:53 AM
My understanding, feel free to CMIIW:

Basically, the dividend is priced into the stock. When the company releases earnings, there's a certain amount that has to be paid out in dividends so the stock price will only reflect the amount of earnings exceeding the amount that has to be paid out. If there was no dividend, more cash from earnings would be retained by the company and the stock price would reflect the additional cash. In a perfect market, it should even out.

The benefit of solid dividend stocks is that they're able to pay out even when earnings are down, so your returns are more steady and predictable. Of course companies can always change the amount of their dividend so it's important to research how steady the dividend has been over the years and if there's been steady dividend growth.

Well stocks aren't always priced right, so the dividend can be the extra cherry on top when buying undervalued stocks. If you find a good value stock with a dividend it's a must buy.
That was true when I bought MSFT, AAPL, and ALK a few years ago.Reinvest using a DRIP and the profits can add up quickly.

The reason your analysis is wrong is because your forgetting that the most important variable in valuing a company is its growth potential which is speculative. That can change drastically in a short period of time.

LMAO. One day mister yoyo investor says Apple is gonna gonna grow to a trillion dollars and therefore it's worth a trillion dollars? And the next day mister yoyo wakes up and decides Apple will shrivel up and die a slow death and now it's worth 100 billion? Growth speculation accounts for high P/Es in startups and certain companies. For the biggest company in the world you shouldn't be so fickle to expect it to double when you have years of historic data of sales, growth, net income and etc. that doesn't suggest such growth.

I am curious to hear what new Apple products account for the doubling and tripling of apples market cap. And I'm curious to hear what lack of new products 2 years ago accounted for a 50% drop compared to today, where all we have new since then is the Apple watch (bust).

I like investors (speculators) like you.
It gives responsible investors some stocks to make money on.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on August 21, 2015, 03:39:38 PM
Correction it is
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on August 21, 2015, 03:43:19 PM
Goal: pour every single $ sitting available waiting to buy TWTR, MSFT at a good price today before closing bell.
Good times.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on August 21, 2015, 03:54:31 PM
I cannot look at my portfolio today, it just hurts...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on August 21, 2015, 03:57:37 PM

I cannot look at my portfolio today, it just hurts...
It shouldn't, buy more from the stuff you love...
Fed, China, oil, can't kill a solid spreadsheet!
Still remember Greece?? I bet not
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: coralsnake on August 21, 2015, 04:01:17 PM
I cannot look at my portfolio today, it just hurts...
Market was ready for a pullback.

Heres hoping for more. ??? ;D
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Freddie on August 21, 2015, 04:12:43 PM
It shouldn't, buy more from the stuff you love...
Fed, China, oil, can't kill a solid spreadsheet!
Still remember Greece?? I bet not

You mean like a blue chip stock? Any recomendations? Not looking for anything fancy, just straightforward.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on August 21, 2015, 04:31:34 PM

You mean like a blue chip stock? Any recomendations? Not looking for anything fancy, just straightforward.
TWTR, MSFT
+ AAPL,
Also LL & S which are risky, but potentially hugely rewarding
(Disclosure: not a recommendation, just a dry ddf post.. )
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: David Smith on August 21, 2015, 04:47:18 PM
I made a nice amount percentage wise on YNGFF (Veris Gold) this week. Sold last night. Made over 800% in about four days.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on August 21, 2015, 05:03:16 PM

I made a nice amount percentage wise on YNGFF (Veris Gold) this week. Sold last night. Made over 800% in about four days.
Penny stocks - where Atlantic city meets Wall Street
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: David Smith on August 21, 2015, 05:04:40 PM
Penny stocks - where Atlantic city meets Wall Street
You mean the lottery. Never put money in that you mind losing.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Yammer on August 21, 2015, 05:41:32 PM
You mean the lottery. Never put money in that you mind losing.
It depends how much $$ your talking about to throw around $100 in 10 different penny stocks usually works out
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on August 24, 2015, 08:23:56 AM
I cannot look at my portfolio today, it just hurts...
WTH IS GOING ON???
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: A3 on August 24, 2015, 09:04:33 AM
#BlackMonday is trending :(
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on August 24, 2015, 09:08:35 AM
Ouch :'(
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: clear thinker on August 24, 2015, 09:09:49 AM
Today I feel good that I don't play this game.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on August 24, 2015, 09:12:16 AM
Hope I'm wrong but I think this is worst than the past Greece collapse in the sense that China is an unmatched card in terms of power,

And even worst than the US collapse back in '07 in the sense that -- as one Weibo user puts it -- "China's stock market is like a cheating boyfriend: You keep on trusting him but each time you're disappointed." "You keep on trusting him and believe that everything will turn out fine. But, every time he disappoints and hurts you and breaks another new record"
This is bad I think, although Cook just announced his China sales look great.. Who knows
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on August 24, 2015, 09:12:54 AM

Today I feel good that I don't play this game.
A great day to start would be today
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: TimT on August 24, 2015, 09:15:34 AM
Ouch :'(
+1. It's ugly
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on August 24, 2015, 09:16:54 AM
+1. It's ugly
Are you a victim?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on August 24, 2015, 09:30:13 AM
A great day to start would be today
+10000. AAPL under $100. TSLA  under $200 BABA under $60  ;) 
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on August 24, 2015, 09:33:13 AM
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/24/7b86ef79102c42bcc807642a0317a338.jpg)
Probably the only time you'll see a smile on that floor today.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on August 24, 2015, 09:36:05 AM
+10000. AAPL under $100. TSLA  under $200 BABA under $60  ;)
+1 YUP Im going to wait a little then put alot more money in all of those I've been waiting for something like this
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: clear thinker on August 24, 2015, 10:03:51 AM
A great day to start would be today
Also true!
Hmmmm....
Maybe.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: MAJ on August 24, 2015, 10:16:10 AM
wish i had cash in brokerage accounts, by the time it gets to account in 2-3 business days might be too late:(
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Let3 on August 24, 2015, 10:28:32 AM

wish i had cash in brokerage accounts, by the time it gets to account in 2-3 business days might be too late:(
Agreed!

I missed the dip-
Was a big opportunity  actually ...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on August 24, 2015, 10:34:20 AM

wish i had cash in brokerage accounts, by the time it gets to account in 2-3 business days might be too late:(
Transfer today,
Wednesday might be a better opportunity than today the same way today is a better opportunity than last week.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: MAJ on August 24, 2015, 10:44:17 AM

Transfer today,
Wednesday might be a better opportunity than today the same way today is a better opportunity than last week.
correct sent over money last night
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on August 24, 2015, 10:50:21 AM
Transfer today,
Wednesday might be a better opportunity than today the same way today is a better opportunity than last week.
Prices will probably go lower until Thursday when GDP is supposed to be revised higher.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on August 24, 2015, 10:50:44 AM
With trade king my money shows up right away or very quickly.
That might be because I already have a few stocks in my portfolio already, I don't know.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on August 24, 2015, 10:52:43 AM
With trade king my money shows up right away or very quickly.
That might be because I already have a few stocks in my portfolio already, I don't know.
Some brokerage accounts give you access to the money as soon as you initiate the transfer.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eli1571 on August 24, 2015, 11:20:22 AM
is it worth buying TWTR ?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on August 24, 2015, 11:34:55 AM

Wednesday might be a better opportunity than today the same way today is a better opportunity than last week.
Shut up ya!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: HowYaDoin on August 24, 2015, 12:00:46 PM
Any of you guys actually end up getting AAPL under 100 and make a couple of dollars today
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Boruch999 on August 24, 2015, 01:48:33 PM
wish i had cash in brokerage accounts, by the time it gets to account in 2-3 business days might be too late:(

A competent broker should let you wire in, credit immediately.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Yammer on August 24, 2015, 01:55:47 PM
A competent broker should let you wire in, credit immediately.
The quickest that I was able to access funds with a wire transfer was 24hrs later.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Yammer on August 24, 2015, 02:00:44 PM
Agreed!

I missed the dip-
Was a big opportunity  actually ...
While the plunge is over, the correction process doesn't seem to over just yet. Put in your bids now, so that you don't miss the next boat
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Yammer on August 24, 2015, 03:01:23 PM
While the plunge is over, the correction process doesn't seem to over just yet. Put in your bids now, so that you don't miss the next boat
Indexes going south again....

DJIA down 646 points

S&P  down 82 points
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Let3 on August 24, 2015, 03:20:02 PM

While the plunge is over, the correction process doesn't seem to over just yet. Put in your bids now, so that you don't miss the next boat
I did!
Thanks!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yakrot on August 24, 2015, 03:51:37 PM
Just transferred some money into robinhood hope the market stays low for a couple of days. I've been meaning to invest for a  while
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Boruch999 on August 24, 2015, 04:11:55 PM
The quickest that I was able to access funds with a wire transfer was 24hrs later.

Get a new bank, or more likely, a new broker.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Lou Bob on August 24, 2015, 07:05:41 PM
Why are you guys still involved in stocks?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: aygart on August 24, 2015, 07:13:39 PM
Prices will probably go lower until Thursday when GDP is supposed to be revised higher.
If it is supposed to happen then it is already priced in
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eli1571 on August 24, 2015, 07:36:48 PM
A competent broker should let you wire in, credit immediately.
which broker do u know that allows that ? td ameritrade doesn't the're quite competent.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eli1571 on August 24, 2015, 07:37:38 PM
any recommendations on what to buy ?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on August 24, 2015, 07:56:46 PM
Why are you guys still involved in stocks?
Cause you lose less then what you lose in real estate O0
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on August 24, 2015, 11:30:46 PM
This happened when I needed a mood lift after looking at my stock portfolio today
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=16024.msg1242679#msg1242679
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Yammer on August 24, 2015, 11:40:02 PM
Why are you guys still involved in stocks?
Because that's where every single investment house/bank/hedge fund etc make Money!!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on August 24, 2015, 11:56:10 PM
This happened when I needed a mood lift after looking at my stock portfolio today
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=16024.msg1242679#msg1242679
;)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Lou Bob on August 24, 2015, 11:59:45 PM
Because that's where every single investment house/bank/hedge fund etc make Money!!
most people throw in their $ into stocks/funds and have no idea what they're doing.
Besides for the fact that many people are better off having a savings account for a bad day before trying to invest what they can't afford to lose.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: aygart on August 25, 2015, 12:08:48 AM
Because that's where every single investment house/bank/hedge fund etc make Money!!
do you really believe that every hedge fund makes money?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: David Smith on August 25, 2015, 12:12:15 AM
most people throw in their $ into stocks/funds and have no idea what they're doing.
Besides for the fact that many people are better off having a savings account for a bad day before trying to invest what they can't afford to lose.
Look at almost any portfolio over ten years, and you'll see a much bigger net gain than any savings or CD account. The problem is loss of liquidity. Penny stocks and the like are a different story. (Still, the fact that you know that the market will come back doesn't alleviate the feeling when you look at how much you lost in a week.)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Lou Bob on August 25, 2015, 12:31:28 AM
Look at almost any portfolio over ten years, and you'll see a much bigger net gain than any savings or CD account. The problem is loss of liquidity. Penny stocks and the like are a different story. (Still, the fact that you know that the market will come back doesn't alleviate the feeling when you look at how much you lost in a week.)

like you said, the problem is loss of liquidity.
And if you need the $ just when the market is down, you've got a problem.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: David Smith on August 25, 2015, 12:34:04 AM
like you said, the problem is loss of liquidity.
And if you need the $ just when the market is down, you've got a problem.
Same problem with CD's and bonds. What savings account has an interest rate that can combat inflation?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on August 25, 2015, 01:16:09 AM
Why are you guys still involved in stocks?

Today is actually the first day in a while that has been great for those involved in stocks.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on August 25, 2015, 01:57:17 AM
What happen when you try and catch a falling knife?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on August 25, 2015, 02:02:23 AM
Look at almost any portfolio over ten years, and you'll see a much bigger net gain than any savings or CD account.
What about 1998 - 2008 and 1999 to 2009?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: David Smith on August 25, 2015, 02:04:10 AM
What happen when you try and catch a falling knife?
Best time to pick it up is when it's in the floor.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: David Smith on August 25, 2015, 02:25:54 AM
Market (djia) vs gold over twenty years.
Gold is almost equally volatile, although it doesn't look like it. You would have made more on the market over the course of ten or twenty years.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Yammer on August 25, 2015, 05:14:48 AM
Interesting Fact.

There was $24,100,000,000,000 in the US stock market prior to yesterday's crash.

$1.8 trillion was wiped away..

MarketWatch.com
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on August 25, 2015, 07:01:17 AM
Looks like today will be a nice one,
Good for those who invested yesterday.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on August 25, 2015, 07:19:27 AM
Look at almost any portfolio over ten years, and you'll see a much bigger net gain than any savings or CD account.
What about 1998 - 2008 and 1999 to 2009?
Bump
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on August 25, 2015, 07:20:03 AM
Looks like today will be a nice one,
Good for those who invested yesterday.
Dead cat bounce?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: David Smith on August 25, 2015, 09:14:22 AM
What about 1998 - 2008 and 1999 to 2009?
The market recovered back to 1998-99 peak levels within a year. You're a moron if you sell as soon as the market crashes. Although the market did take six years to get back to the 2007-8 peak, and is not much higher today than it was then, after the losses of the past couple of days.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on August 25, 2015, 09:15:21 AM
Dead cat bounce?
NO!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on August 25, 2015, 09:19:57 AM
The market recovered back to 1998-99 peak levels within a year. You're a moron if you sell as soon as the market crashes. Although the market did take six years to get back to the 2007-8 peak, and is not much higher today than it was then, after the losses of the past couple of days.
You said take any ten years and I did. Don't make statements you can't back up. Just admit you were wrong and move on.  :)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: David Smith on August 25, 2015, 09:27:11 AM
You said take any ten years and I did. Don't make statements you can't back up. Just admit you were wrong and move on.  :)
My specific example had cases which didn't fit, but the principle is still true. The stock market continues to turn a profit long term. You just have to have the patience to stick out the lows. Anyone who sold out in the 2008 crash missed out on the recovery.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on August 25, 2015, 09:31:31 AM
My specific example had cases which didn't fit, but the principle is still true. The stock market continues to turn a profit long term. You just have to have the patience to stick out the lows. Anyone who sold out in the 2008 crash missed out on the recovery.
I remember when life insurance companies claimed never in their history have they lowered their dividend. That was true until it happened.  ;)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: aygart on August 25, 2015, 11:39:35 AM
Market (djia) vs gold over twenty years.
Gold is almost equally volatile, although it doesn't look like it. You would have made more on the market over the course of ten or twenty years.
how about if you exclude the dotcom bubble? Your charts will look very different.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Boruch999 on August 25, 2015, 12:17:37 PM
which broker do u know that allows that ? td ameritrade doesn't the're quite competent.

C Schwab, tradeking, according to their websites, interactive IME.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: coralsnake on August 25, 2015, 12:44:26 PM
The problem with these stock sales is when the bulk of your money is already tied up in securities  :-\
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Lou Bob on August 25, 2015, 06:34:03 PM
How about today's ugly turn?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Yammer on August 25, 2015, 06:54:43 PM
How about today's ugly turn?
Warren Buffett quote.

Over the long term, the stock market news will be good. In the 20th century, the United States endured two world wars and other traumatic and expensive military conflicts; the Depression; a dozen or so recessions and financial panics; oil shocks; a fly epidemic; and the resignation of a disgraced president. Yet the Dow rose from 66 to 11,497.



Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on August 25, 2015, 07:02:25 PM
How about today's ugly turn?
Only ugly for those who believe in the tooth fairy.  :)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Yammer on August 25, 2015, 07:37:38 PM
Only ugly for those who believe in the tooth fairy.  :)
+1
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eli1571 on August 25, 2015, 08:07:20 PM
C Schwab, tradeking, according to their websites, interactive IME.
thanx, would youknow their trade prices ?  also do they so commodities as well ?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on August 26, 2015, 02:34:12 PM
Is it safe to buy now?  :)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: coralsnake on August 26, 2015, 02:51:31 PM
Is it safe to buy now?  :)
Its always safe to buy if you have a good strategy.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on August 26, 2015, 02:57:21 PM
Its always safe to buy if you have a good strategy and it plays out the way you predicted.....
FTFY ;)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: coralsnake on August 26, 2015, 02:59:10 PM
FTFY ;)
-1

You can always hedge.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on August 26, 2015, 08:21:45 PM
How about today's ugly turn?

Yesterday was a mixed day, I'm not sure why your so gloomy in every post.

"How about today's nice move upward"
I hope that cheers you up.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Yammer on August 26, 2015, 09:05:10 PM
Yesterday was a mixed day, I'm not sure why your so gloomy in every post.

"How about today's nice move upward"
I hope that cheers you up.
This is an example of why the stock market simply isn't for everyone. Some people can't handle the volatility, especially in situations like the past few days.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on August 26, 2015, 09:13:48 PM
This is an example of why the stock market simply isn't for everyone. Some people can't handle the volatility, especially in situations like the past few days.

I prefer corrections every once in a while over the boring senseless bull markets of the past few years.
I basically fell out of the market waiting for opportunities to buy again.

It does take a lot of nerves and self discipline.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Yammer on August 26, 2015, 09:26:59 PM
I prefer corrections every once in a while over the boring senseless bull markets of the past few years.
I basically fell out of the market waiting for opportunities to buy again.

It does take a lot of nerves and self discipline.
+1
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Lou Bob on September 01, 2015, 02:26:12 PM
Just checking in...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: good sam on September 01, 2015, 02:40:48 PM
Thanks. We really appreciate it.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on September 01, 2015, 05:15:22 PM
Are we depressed again?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on September 01, 2015, 05:18:51 PM

Are we depressed again?
Only if you're selling
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: caliheat on September 01, 2015, 07:56:02 PM
Just checking in...
Not bad, got S at 3.90, can't complain!
AAPL still above 98 purchase price..
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on September 01, 2015, 08:07:47 PM

Not bad, got S at 3.90, can't complain!
AAPL still above 98 purchase price..
Grabbed TWTR @ $23.97. Long.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on September 02, 2015, 03:46:35 PM
Just checking in...

+1
Is everyone doing alright?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on September 08, 2015, 03:32:26 PM
I think the sky stopped falling.
Bback to the boring ol' bull run.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 08, 2015, 07:35:07 PM
I'm just curious, does anyone here invest professionally, or all just for self?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Zevi16 on September 09, 2015, 08:45:36 AM
Where can i get good info on ipo? Regarding buying them.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Lou Bob on September 24, 2015, 11:56:33 AM
Ouch
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Let3 on September 30, 2015, 04:31:00 AM
Ouch!

Side Point-
Are stocks allowed to be traded on chol hamoed (for those that don't work on chol hamoed)?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: jameswacht on October 14, 2015, 11:07:33 PM
I know nothing about the stock market.I have like 35k I would like to invest in something that can give me a nice return. any ideas?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: coralsnake on October 14, 2015, 11:14:37 PM
I know nothing about the stock market.I have like 35k I would like to invest in something that can give me a nice return. any ideas?

Id look into buying an index fund.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: jameswacht on October 14, 2015, 11:26:36 PM
U got an rsvp for me?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on October 14, 2015, 11:59:37 PM
I know nothing about the stock market.I have like 35k I would like to invest in something that can give me a nice return. any ideas?

try this https://personal.vanguard.com/us/funds/tools/recommendation?WT.srch=1
but before investing any money you should learn a little about how the market works
and maybe speak to a financial advisor.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: itsallgood on October 15, 2015, 11:04:40 AM
I would also open a practice account and trade for a month or two to get a feel. You can find many of them online.
Also, speak with a professional :)

try this https://personal.vanguard.com/us/funds/tools/recommendation?WT.srch=1
but before investing any money you should learn a little about how the market works
and maybe speak to a financial advisor.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 15, 2015, 12:03:16 PM
I know nothing about the stock market.I have like 35k I would like to invest in something that can give me a nice return. any ideas?
How long will you be investing it?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: jameswacht on October 15, 2015, 12:34:47 PM
A few years. Under 5
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: caliheat on October 20, 2015, 05:37:53 PM
Anyone get in on the WTW hype?
200% in 2 days!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 20, 2015, 05:50:19 PM
Anyone get in on the WTW hype?
200% in 2 days!
Yeah, Oprah.... She made like a hundred mil over night!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on October 21, 2015, 12:59:57 PM
Starting to hate the fact that Carl Icahn owns AAPL, this is what happens when he announces he no more likes a stocked he once loved.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/21/8e3276549f4b80e9e83e1f837803d7d0.jpg)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 21, 2015, 01:03:28 PM
Starting to hate the fact that Carl Icahn owns AAPL, this is what happens when he announces he no more likes a stocked he once loved.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/21/8e3276549f4b80e9e83e1f837803d7d0.jpg)
Huh? Much more to this story.

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/21/valeant-halted-in-heavy-trading-down-28-after-citron-research-report.html


http://www.citronresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Valeant-Philador-and-RandO-final-a.pdf
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on October 21, 2015, 02:16:26 PM

Huh? Much more to this story.

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/21/valeant-halted-in-heavy-trading-down-28-after-citron-research-report.html


http://www.citronresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Valeant-Philador-and-RandO-final-a.pdf
You're right realized afterwards, but my point still stands with AAPL maybe not a 40% drop (that's why I was so surprised with VRX and posted inaccurately) but the fact that every word he utters on AAPL is news makes me nervous
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: hide4 on October 22, 2015, 02:32:19 PM
whats the best book on stocks for beginners
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on October 22, 2015, 02:57:31 PM
whats the best book on stocks for beginners
חובת הלבבות :D
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on October 23, 2015, 09:45:36 AM
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Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on October 23, 2015, 12:34:11 PM
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Okay
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: jj1000 on October 27, 2015, 06:21:43 PM
Buy Rite Aid stock?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Yehuda25 on October 28, 2015, 12:01:52 AM
Buy Rite Aid stock?
because of the buyout?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Yammer on October 28, 2015, 01:03:02 AM
because of the buyout?
Maybe buy Walgreen's...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: jj1000 on October 28, 2015, 01:05:00 AM
Rite aid went up 43% so far.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Yammer on October 28, 2015, 01:14:34 AM
Rite aid went up 43% so far.
If you look at the charts from the past 3 months you'll see that RAD was at $9 just 3 months ago.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: johnec4 on October 28, 2015, 09:36:57 AM
Any insight as to why RAD is trading at $8 this morning when WAG is paying $9/share cash (http://www.forbes.com/sites/antoinegara/2015/10/27/the-last-big-drugstore-deal-walgreens-to-buy-rite-aid-for-17-2-billion/)? Am I missing something?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on October 28, 2015, 09:51:32 AM
Because $9 was underpriced?

I don't think you understood his question.
The share price should be much closer to 9.
Like $8.70-$8.90.

To answer his question, when the America's biggest pharmacy tries to purchase the 3rd biggest pharmacy,
you can be sure that anti-trust issues can very likely stop it from happening.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: benjie1305 on October 28, 2015, 09:52:16 AM
I don't think you understood his question.
The share price should be much closer to 9.
Like $8.70-$8.90.

To answer his question, when the America's biggest pharmacy tries to purchase the 3rd biggest pharmacy,
you can be sure that anti-trust issues can very likely stop it from happening.

+1 Deal might simply not go through.
Title: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on October 28, 2015, 10:07:42 AM
I don't think you understood his question.
The share price should be much closer to 9.
Like $8.70-$8.90.

To answer his question, when the America's second biggest pharmacy tries to purchase the 3rd biggest pharmacy,
you can be sure that anti-trust issues can very likely stop it from happening.
FTFY
CVS is #1
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on October 28, 2015, 10:49:41 AM
FTFY
CVS is #1

Walgreens has more locations, CVS has higher revenue.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 28, 2015, 05:10:41 PM
Any insight as to why RAD is trading at $8 this morning when WAG is paying $9/share cash (http://www.forbes.com/sites/antoinegara/2015/10/27/the-last-big-drugstore-deal-walgreens-to-buy-rite-aid-for-17-2-billion/)? Am I missing something?
The 9 is a M&A premium. There is usually a premium paid over mv during merger. Either due to other bidders etc etc.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: David Smith on October 29, 2015, 03:13:55 AM
Great month on the market, b'h, ka'h. Remember September panic? Some of the best price mistakes were then. Still cashing out.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yakrot on October 29, 2015, 03:28:05 AM
Great month on the market, b'h, ka'h. Remember September panic? Some of the best price mistakes were then. Still cashing out.
+1 bought BABA at under 65
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: itsallgood on October 29, 2015, 11:16:15 AM
What are ppl's thoughts on TEVA?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: snowwhite on November 02, 2015, 09:49:33 AM
thoughts on cmg? will it be a good buy at this time?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ergel on November 02, 2015, 09:07:49 PM
AYLOR regarding CMG
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Yammer on November 02, 2015, 09:21:51 PM
Quite shocked at VRX performance today after being downgraded by Goldman, citron doubling down, investigations continuing etc...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: churnbabychurn on November 02, 2015, 10:25:18 PM
I wouldn't trust a stock which has been the darling of the hedge funds. These guys will do anything to make a buck...........
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on November 03, 2015, 07:24:29 AM
AYLOR regarding CMG

AFAIK it's acceptable (according to most if not all) to buy these kinds of stocks.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Zevi16 on November 07, 2015, 11:27:44 AM
Would anyone recommend me to use capital 1 investing?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: BAHayman on November 11, 2015, 01:41:13 PM
Square IPO?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: coralsnake on November 11, 2015, 01:58:02 PM
Square IPO?
I wouldnt touch it.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: joeberg on November 11, 2015, 02:56:14 PM
I wouldnt touch it.
Why? They seem to be the leaders in a hot industry.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on November 11, 2015, 03:19:00 PM

I wouldnt touch it.
Looks to me like Jack Dorsey is a Steve Jobs replay, comeback founder, visionary, etc. I wouldn't underestimate him or his toys.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Boruch999 on November 12, 2015, 08:16:04 AM
Why? They seem to be the leaders in a hot industry.
+1
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yos9694 on November 12, 2015, 12:20:48 PM
Why? They seem to be the leaders in a hot industry.

I read the prospectus and I was very turned off. A few things-
1) nonexistent voting rights
2) difficult to imagine the growth continuing, especially with Starbucks discontinuing
3) weird income statement - maybe just proving that I don't understand the business enough - but I do not like seeing product development costs consistently as large as at 20% of transaction revenue. How do they spend so much on developing products and what products? Little plastic readers? This is not marketing expenses. Invest in a company you understand, and I don't.
4) JP Morgan is involved, so I assume at least something in there is crooked. Plus they will own way too much voting shares for my liking.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on November 18, 2015, 07:45:41 PM
Square IPO $9
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Square on November 20, 2015, 01:04:10 AM
Got $630 in Square IPO, sold same day for $907. :)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Welder on November 20, 2015, 10:43:29 AM
Got $630 in Square IPO, sold same day for $907. :)
Nice!
I got $500 of the IPO , can sell now for $720... I'm thinking of waiting it out though.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on November 20, 2015, 02:11:09 PM
Nice!
I got $500 of the IPO , can sell now for $720... I'm thinking of waiting it out though.
Got $630 in Square IPO, sold same day for $907. :)
How'd you guys get it at the IPO price
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Welder on November 20, 2015, 02:32:38 PM
How'd you guys get it at the IPO price

https://www.loyal3.com/ via the offer token that Square emailed to their customers.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: BAHayman on November 21, 2015, 08:41:18 PM
https://www.loyal3.com/ via the offer token that Square emailed to their customers.
I wasn't feeling well and fell asleep before the 2 hour confirmation window opened :(
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: doovid d on November 21, 2015, 11:55:12 PM
Is there a good platform that gives you good info on every company(not speculations)and that also shows you why a companies shares dropped or rose?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Am on November 23, 2015, 10:09:32 AM
What's a good play if I'm bullish on the drones market?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ckmk47 on November 23, 2015, 02:36:08 PM

From this week's Barron's (subscription required to read, so I copied it in it's entirety.)
FEATURE
Whirlpool Enters Up Cycle
The international appliance leader was dinged by a strong dollar, but smart acquisitions and cost cutting will help boost its shares by 25%.




By AVI SALZMAN
November 21, 2015
From Boston to Beijing, Whirlpool Machines clean the world’s laundry and wash its dishes. The company’s breadth of products and its manufacturing-and-distribution network have made it the global leader in household appliances. But that success has made it vulnerable to instability overseas, and agitation in markets thousands of miles from Whirlpool’s Michigan headquarters can sink the stock.


This year, Whirlpool (ticker: WHR) shares have swirled down the drain, dropping 18%. The dollar’s rise and the decline of Brazil’s economy and currency have proved especially problematic. In its third-quarter earnings release, the company reduced earnings-per-share expectations for the year to $12 to $12.50 from $12 to $13. Currency effects alone reduced revenue by more than 10% in the most recent quarter. In Brazil, the weak real and slumping demand will strip 50 cents off total 2015 EPS, the company says.


A new laundry machine attracted attention at a January trade expo. Photo: Courtesy of Whirlpool
But investors may be overreacting. Brazil accounts for about 15% of revenue, and should diminish in importance as sales in Europe and Asia rise following major acquisitions there.


Investors who buy Whirlpool stock now, when it’s at 11.1 times 2016 earnings expectations, are likely to profit handsomely. Earnings are expected to rise annually at an average of 17% for the next few years. As a result, Whirlpool should achieve $15 in annual EPS within the next 18 months and could fetch an earnings multiple of at least 13 times, toward the high end of its historical valuation, once concerns dissipate about the global economy. Shares could rise to $200 from a recent $160. Add a 2.3% dividend yield, and investors could see a nearly 30% total return.


“The problems in Brazil are probably 80% over, and they’re already in the stock. And Whirlpool’s deals in Europe and China are game changers,” says John Harloe, a portfolio manager at Barrow, Hanley, Mewhinney & Strauss, which has owned the stock for about seven years.


Benton Harbor, Mich.–based Whirlpool was started in 1911. It sells washers and dryers, stoves, dishwashers, refrigerators, and kitchen appliances under more than a dozen brands including Maytag, KitchenAid, and Consul. About half of its sales come from North America. Whirlpool has dominant market share for appliances in the U.S., at 39%, and across the globe, at 10.9%, says IBISWorld.


Whirlpool made $650 million, or $11.39 per share, last year on $19.9 billion in revenue. This year, the company is set to net $851 million, or $12.18 per share, on $21.2 billion in revenue. Analysts expect EPS to rise to $14.45 in 2016, a 19% jump.


Acquisitions—notably Whirlpool’s 2006 purchase of Maytag—have fueled its growth. “The management transformed a nonbranded low-margin equipment manufacturer dependent on Sears into the global leader in branded home appliances,” says Robert Wetenhall, an analyst at RBC Capital Markets.


Whirlpool has a remarkable track record of lifting earnings even when sales are rising moderately. Its revenue rose 5% from 2008 to 2014, but earnings rose 55% as the company cut capacity and costs.


The company can replicate that success in the next few years. Whirlpool bought Italian appliance maker Indesit last year for $1.4 billion, doubling its capacity in Europe. By 2017, Whirlpool expects to wring $350 million in costs out of the acquisition. Whirlpool is targeting at least 7% margins in Europe, the Middle East, and Africa by 2018, versus 3% in 2014. Harloe thinks that Indesit should add $5 a share to Whirlpool’s earnings and $75 to the stock. “It takes them from a mediocre position in Europe and vaults them to No. 1 or close in every [European] country.”


IN CHINA, WHIRLPOOL has expanded its reach and should see large benefits. Last year, the company bought a controlling stake in Chinese appliance company Hefei Sanyo, expanding its distribution network in China to 30,000 outlets from 3,000. Whirlpool is targeting 8% margins in that business by 2018, up from about 3% last year. Asia accounts for 6% of Whirlpool’s sales, more than doubling in the third quarter on a year-over-year basis.


In North America, Samsung and LG have gained ground in recent years, and investors worry that the Korean companies will sell products at break-even to take share. In the third quarter, Whirlpool’s North American sales trailed the overall appliance market, a blip it blamed in part on delays in getting new products to sales floors. Management is confident that Whirlpool will keep pace this quarter while avoiding a price war. “We believe in earning market share, not buying market share,” says CEO Jeff Fettig in response to a question on the third-quarter call. Fettig was not available to comment for this article.


North American sales should benefit once U.S. housing construction—still 25% below normal levels—returns to previous rates. Historically, Whirlpool has been able to raise prices and boost volume when housing grows.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: shulemw on November 23, 2015, 04:44:41 PM
whats my best option to open a trading account for a corporation

easiest simplest place

maybe was asked once already

thanks in advance
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: shulemw on November 23, 2015, 05:25:10 PM
tried opening by Scottrade but they requireto code down in person to fund the money to your account so not good
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: googwallet on November 23, 2015, 05:35:40 PM


From this week's Barron's (subscription required to read, so I copied it in it's entirety.)
I

I don't want to quote the entire post for space concerns, with my limited knowlege the way it's written it looks like propaganda.

Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on November 23, 2015, 05:57:03 PM

I don't want to quote the entire post for space concerns, with my limited knowlege the way it's written it looks like propaganda.

+1

Though IMHO at first glance it doesn't look like a bad stock.
Basically a decent stock at a mediocre price.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yos9694 on November 23, 2015, 08:18:38 PM

I don't want to quote the entire post for space concerns, with my limited knowlege the way it's written it looks like propaganda.

As are mostvSeeking Alpha articles
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Yammer on November 23, 2015, 10:15:14 PM
As are mostvSeeking Alpha articles
Whichever trading house you'll be using will provide you with articles on whatever you need.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: shulemw on November 25, 2015, 06:48:10 PM
if anyone can please answer me where is the best easiest way to open a stock trading account for a corporation I would really appreciate it
Got advice to try Scottrade but they require to fund the money in person at their location so not good
thanks a ton in advance
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on November 25, 2015, 07:07:31 PM
Got advice to try Scottrade but they require to fund the money in person at their location
!? Link your bank account to your brokerage account.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Yammer on November 25, 2015, 09:10:42 PM
!? Link your bank account to your brokerage account.
Try Options House.

$3.95 a trade.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on November 25, 2015, 09:14:00 PM
Try Options House.

$3.95 a trade.
Does Trading house give any info from different stock analysis? 
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: snowwhite on November 30, 2015, 10:09:38 AM
Thoughts on ACI? Bought at $1. Good to hold on or sell it now?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Let3 on November 30, 2015, 12:50:50 PM
does any of the trading platforms give you access to the money after a trade right away?
(as apposed to robinhood which holds it for 3 days...)

tia
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on November 30, 2015, 12:55:18 PM
does any of the trading platforms give you access to the money after a trade right away?
(as apposed to robinhood which holds it for 3 days...)

tia
i believe etrade will let you trade it but not sell the new trade before the original money settles(3 days) but you cannot withdraw before 3 days. there are federal laws regarding this
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Let3 on November 30, 2015, 01:03:23 PM
i believe etrade will let you trade it but not sell the new trade before the original money settles(3 days) but you cannot withdraw before 3 days. there are federal laws regarding this
got it,
thanks
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: stmark on November 30, 2015, 02:09:48 PM
Same with scottrade. can buy but not sell until funds settle.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Stealth on December 01, 2015, 04:49:11 PM
thanks levi for your help. now if you can give some advice on whats the best site to use to trade online (small time trading, starting with $2000)

Robinhood
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Zevi16 on December 03, 2015, 04:22:15 PM
Robinhood
How does one sign up from israel. It says only usa
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Eli Moj on December 03, 2015, 05:40:40 PM
Robinhood is how I trade - I trade its no fees on every trade but only carries Nyse and Nasdaq. I looked into international companies that trade on different markets and they are not on the robin hood app.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yochiek93 on December 03, 2015, 07:20:42 PM
How does one sign up from israel. It says only usa
Scramble your location there are plenty of apps that can do it
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yomo on December 09, 2015, 03:21:28 AM
Contrarian Play - KMI - Think now is a good time to buy after this crazy slide and pessimism?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: avremie on December 13, 2015, 09:42:09 PM
any thoughts on buying vanguard funds with the pending lawsuit?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: lunatic on December 13, 2015, 10:55:54 PM
any thoughts on buying vanguard funds with the pending lawsuit?
Link? I have quite alot of Ira money with them. Very good funds
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: avremie on December 14, 2015, 11:29:26 AM
Link? I have quite alot of Ira money with them. Very good funds

http://fortune.com/2015/12/07/vanguard-billions-taxes
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: MAJ on December 14, 2015, 12:56:31 PM
Contrarian Play - KMI - Think now is a good time to buy after this crazy slide and pessimism?
did you buy? how do you feel about the dividend cut?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yomo on December 15, 2015, 02:24:22 AM
Have not bought yet. Everyone knew that was coming and I think it will be good in the long run to fund growth. Eventually I am sure the dividend will come back. Don't forget it's still almost a 4% yield even after the cut.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ilherman on December 27, 2015, 03:51:19 PM
Good idea to buy Amazon now? Someone told me beginning of Sep to buy while it was 499 and I didn't. Now its at 662...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: avremie on December 27, 2015, 06:17:20 PM
Good idea to buy Amazon now? Someone told me beginning of Sep to buy while it was 499 and I didn't. Now its at 662...
Has doubled just in the past year.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ilherman on December 27, 2015, 07:19:49 PM
Has doubled just in the past year.
Does it mean that its at its dead end?..
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on December 27, 2015, 07:29:15 PM
Does it mean that its at its dead end?..

It means overpriced and you shouldn't be speculating.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ckmk47 on December 27, 2015, 07:47:21 PM
Some good stocks dip at the end of Dec as they are sold off for year end profit taking. And they rebound in the 1st 2 weeks of Jan.
Amex looks good this year, among others.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on December 27, 2015, 08:03:53 PM
It means overpriced and you shouldn't be speculating.
Time to pull out???
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on December 27, 2015, 08:39:26 PM
Time to pull out???

AMZN doesn't follow rational thought.
Pull out whenever you feel comfortable but I wouldn't suggest buying this stock no matter how great you think the company is.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yochiek93 on December 27, 2015, 08:46:01 PM
AMZN doesn't follow rational thought.
Pull out whenever you feel comfortable but I wouldn't suggest buying this stock no matter how great you think the company is.
Reason being?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Tzafnas Paneach on December 27, 2015, 11:31:54 PM
Good idea to buy Chipotle now? Get them while they are under valued because of everyone getting sick?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: churnbabychurn on December 28, 2015, 09:18:21 AM
Good idea to buy Chipotle now? Get them while they are under valued because of everyone getting sick?
How they going to fix their supply chain quality control issues?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Tzafnas Paneach on December 28, 2015, 09:48:27 AM
They said they are switching from locally grown produce to larger distributers
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: churnbabychurn on December 28, 2015, 09:52:01 AM
They said they are switching from locally grown produce to larger distributers
Which defeats their market differentiator of farm to table
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on December 28, 2015, 12:03:39 PM
They said they are switching from locally grown produce to larger distributers

They have more issues than quality control.
Read comments online from typical customers,
They're upset that the portions of meat have gotten smaller while the prices have gone higher.
Add in that the main selling point is fresh locally grown produce, I don't see why anyone would invest at a P/E near 30.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on December 28, 2015, 12:05:30 PM
Reason being?

P/E is near 1,000 and Amazon has barely posted profits in its history.
Amazon will need to be grow profits 25 fold just to be at a reasonable price for a growth stock.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: avremie on December 28, 2015, 01:44:58 PM
All depends if  you're buying to hold or to make a quick buck.
Don't buy Chipotle (unless hillary buys another burrito).
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Yeki89 on December 28, 2015, 02:33:56 PM
Anyone interested in a STOCKS whatsapp group?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: churnbabychurn on December 28, 2015, 03:16:27 PM
Didn't read it yet

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20151228/9684499d7434d8a3d4846ccb0722013b.jpg)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ilherman on December 29, 2015, 03:18:11 PM
All depends if  you're buying to hold or to make a quick buck.
Don't buy Chipotle (unless hillary buys another burrito).
Bought Amazon at 655 couple of days ago and sold today for 696...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on December 29, 2015, 03:39:51 PM
Bought Amazon at 655 couple of days ago and sold today for 696...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ilherman on December 29, 2015, 04:00:30 PM

Actually I am a real N00b. It was the first trade for me in my life so coming out ahead with $400 is nice..
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on December 29, 2015, 04:30:38 PM
Actually I am a real N00b. It was the first trade for me in my life so coming out ahead with $400 is nice..

If your still new to this, I would suggest staying with safer bets.
In any short span of time any stock could easily swing 5-10% in any direction, regardless of the long term direction of the stock.
Speculating can be fun and profitable in a bull market, but trading frequently has fees that cut out a big chunk of profits, and when the bear market hits, speculative stocks usually drop faster and harder than others (which can easily erase all the gains you've ever made, and then some more.)

There are lots of safer investments right now that you can lock up long term, and profit heck of a lot more than 6%.

Anyways, enjoy the cash you made so far, hopefully you make a lot more.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on December 29, 2015, 04:59:43 PM
Actually I am a real N00b. It was the first trade for me in my life so coming out ahead with $400 is nice..
FYI
The only thing I know is that I don't loss by earning money in stocks (sounds strange, huh?),

My accountant told me some people could earn a few thousand bucks but they don't know that they're losing out on some tax credits which is grater then what they earned, but by me that's not the case so I shouldn't worry about it, that's all I know...


i wish thats the case by me.  i lost many tax credit for earning a few hundred bucks!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Let3 on December 29, 2015, 05:04:00 PM
If your still new to this, I would suggest staying with safer bets.
In any short span of time any stock could easily swing 5-10% in any direction, regardless of the long term direction of the stock.
Speculating can be fun and profitable in a bull market, but trading frequently has fees that cut out a big chunk of profits, and when the bear market hits, speculative stocks usually drop faster and harder than others (which can easily erase all the gains you've ever made, and then some more.)

There are lots of safer investments right now that you can lock up long term, and profit heck of a lot more than 6%.

Anyways, enjoy the cash you made so far, hopefully you make a lot more.
any suggestions for  safe long term stocks to buy now?

TIA
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Zevi16 on December 29, 2015, 05:25:56 PM
Will NRX go back up like it did last new year?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on December 29, 2015, 06:08:28 PM
any suggestions for  safe long term stocks to buy now?

TIA

I like financials like C WFC AXP COF
BRK.B
Tech- INTC maybe AAPL and CHL
WMT
ALK- near its all time high, but still at just 13p/e. I bought at all time high a few years ago and it has done really, really well.
Some other stocks that look great but I didn't have time to research further:
JNJ MMM CAT

Note:
I am not an expert, these are just stocks that I have either invested in or considering to invest in.
They usually have low P/E, have good/great book value per share, and a sustainable dividend (which I enroll in a drip). While I do feel good about my picks in the long run, it would be best to buy like 5-6 of them to assure you are diversified and mitigate the risk of one going bad. A proven investing method for beginners is to invest a set amount in SPY every month. Most investors don't beat the S&P, so if you could match the S&P's returns over a long period of time you will probably do pretty well.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ckmk47 on December 29, 2015, 08:54:08 PM
any suggestions for  safe long term stocks to buy now?

TIA
There's no such thing as fully safe.  Always realize that stock prices can change in a day. 
Longer term.  I look for stocks that I understand what they do and how they make money. Among other factors.  Nice if they have dividends that they've increased over time (dividend aristocrats)
NKE- nike.  SBUX- starbucks. RAI-renolds. COST-costco. HD-home depot.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: gubevo18 on December 29, 2015, 09:18:37 PM
I would go with MSFT for a long term stock. They are big in cloud computing which is gonna (if its not already) be the future - no need for hardware- which is very low maintenance. Meaning the profits can be great. criticism accepted ;)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on December 29, 2015, 09:22:46 PM
I would go with MSFT for a long term stock. They are big in cloud computing which is gonna (if its not already) be the future - no need for hardware- which is very low maintenance. Meaning the profits can be great. criticism accepted ;)

I'm not sure you understand how cloud computing works,
but their is a crap load of hardware that Microsoft needs to constantly purchase and maintain.

I don't know why people wait til a stock doubles before deciding to purchase.
It was a great buy for me at $31- at $56 and 37 p/e I would pass.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: gubevo18 on December 29, 2015, 10:11:25 PM
I'm not sure you understand how cloud computing works,
but their is a crap load of hardware that Microsoft needs to constantly purchase and maintain.

I don't know why people wait til a stock doubles before deciding to purchase.
It was a great buy for me at $31- at $56 and 37 p/e I would pass.
yes i understand but that cost doesnt come near salaries etc.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on December 29, 2015, 10:45:38 PM
yes i understand but that cost doesnt come near salaries etc.

I don't think you understand.

The "Cloud" is a commodity.
There are many companies operating in this space.
They buy hard drives and rent it out to other companies.
They compete on price, so it's not like Microsoft can say "wow we have a cloud that costs us $1b to maintain, let's charge $10b!".

Theres no easy money in cloud technologies.
Microsoft is paying boatloads of engineers, boatloads of money.

Basically, it's not as simple as you make it sound.
You asked for criticism, here you have it.

Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: gubevo18 on December 29, 2015, 11:09:24 PM
I don't think you understand.

The "Cloud" is a commodity.
There are many companies operating in this space.
They buy hard drives and rent it out to other companies.
They compete on price, so it's not like Microsoft can say "wow we have a cloud that costs us $1b to maintain, let's charge $10b!".

Theres no easy money in cloud technologies.
Microsoft is paying boatloads of engineers, boatloads of money.

Basically, it's not as simple as you make it sound.
You asked for criticism, here you have it.


I actually appreciate criticism. That's the only way one can think critically.
But I don't think it's as bad as you make it sound either.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on December 30, 2015, 01:53:28 AM
I actually appreciate criticism. That's the only way one can think critically.
But I don't think it's as bad as you make it sound either.

I actually believe that Microsoft will do well with their cloud services.
What I was criticizing was the oversimplified opinion you originally posted.
Cloud will be very big but I don't think it will be an easy battle for any of the winners.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Let3 on December 30, 2015, 06:31:27 AM
Thanks for all your opinions!
I think this is what this thread was originally made for...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Let3 on December 30, 2015, 07:43:09 AM
What's the opinions on tesla and solar city ?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: gubevo18 on December 30, 2015, 07:52:38 PM
What's the opinions on tesla and solar city ?
wouldn't go into TSLA . overvalued IMHO
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: gubevo18 on December 30, 2015, 07:55:17 PM
so what do you guys think about oil stocks? a bit high risk but i personally invested in a few. i know that there might be a drop but long term oil will probably go back up. Even if not to its former price but still can make a good return
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ckmk47 on December 30, 2015, 08:46:07 PM
so what do you guys think about oil stocks? a bit high risk but i personally invested in a few. i know that there might be a drop but long term oil will probably go back up. Even if not to its former price but still can make a good return
I think very long term.  And probably not to its former levels.
Fracking is increasing supply.  The next administration may allow fracking on federal land, which would increase supply more.
But demand will increase. If the price of oil is too low, it doesn't pay for small companies to frack, so some wells will remain unpumped.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ilherman on December 30, 2015, 09:04:06 PM
so what do you guys think about oil stocks? a bit high risk but i personally invested in a few. i know that there might be a drop but long term oil will probably go back up. Even if not to its former price but still can make a good return
A guy just told me to invest in ORIG.

Is that what you're talking about? Do people agree with what my friend advised me?

He bought like 30k shares in HQCL when it was like 12 and sold 10k last week when it was 27......

He is still holding 20k shares, he says it will still go back up...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: churnbabychurn on December 30, 2015, 09:18:50 PM
A guy just told me to invest in ORIG.

Is that what you're talking about? Do people agree with what my friend advised me?

He bought like 30k shares in HQCL when it was like 12 and sold 10k last week when it was 27......

He is still holding 20k shares, he says it will still go back up...
Don't buy ORIG

http://www.streetinsider.com/dr/news.php?id=11150701

With oil so cheap who needs risky offshore drilling anyway?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on December 30, 2015, 09:24:53 PM
What's the opinions on tesla and solar city ?
buy $TSLA hold $SCTY
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: churnbabychurn on December 30, 2015, 09:26:55 PM




Is that what you're talking about? Do people agree with what my friend advised me?

He bought like 30k shares in HQCL when it was like 12 and sold 10k last week when it was 27......

He is still holding 20k shares, he says it will still go back up...
The question is whether your friend made his $$$$ in the market, or yarshened it and is just having fun?


If he made it in the market he probably knows something. Otherwise wtvr.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on December 30, 2015, 09:27:16 PM
wouldn't go into TSLA . overvalued IMHO

Agreed.
Probably the same for anything solar.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ilherman on December 30, 2015, 09:29:06 PM
The question is whether your friend made his $$$$ in the market, or yarshened it and is just having fun?


If he made it in the market he probably knows something. Otherwise wtvr.
He did make it in the market.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ilherman on December 30, 2015, 09:40:48 PM
Reg ORIG he just told me he was talking about short term trading.

He says RIG is good.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: joeberg on December 31, 2015, 02:36:13 AM
RIG has been dead since the Deepwater Horizon disaster.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: itsallgood on January 03, 2016, 05:13:19 PM
Don't buy ORIG

http://www.streetinsider.com/dr/news.php?id=11150701

With oil so cheap who needs risky offshore drilling anyway?

Is that site legit?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: gubevo18 on January 03, 2016, 08:56:26 PM
Anybody here into UWTI or the like? I personally lay around a little with some extra cash I'm willing to lose on stocks like this or GASL. Using robinhood of course. Risky. Volatile. Short term. (Well all those go together ;) )
But for the same price, some might argue, your better off splitting aces.  :)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on January 04, 2016, 08:18:54 AM
Not a nice start for the new year :-\
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on January 04, 2016, 09:04:41 AM
Looks like an amazing start
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on January 04, 2016, 10:15:31 AM
Looks like an amazing start
My portfolio is deep in the red, how's that amazing??
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on January 04, 2016, 10:28:46 AM
My portfolio is deep in the red, how's that amazing??

It's amazing if you want to buy in
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on January 04, 2016, 10:30:06 AM
It's amazing if you want to buy in
Hopefully it will go lower over the next week or 2. The market is still a bit overpriced.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on January 04, 2016, 10:31:27 AM
Hopefully it will go lower over the next week or 2. The market is still a bit overpriced.

In general it's overpriced but there are a lot of cheap stocks out there already.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on January 04, 2016, 10:32:20 AM
In general it's overpriced but there are a lot of cheap stocks out there already.
Like?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on January 04, 2016, 10:33:54 AM
Like?

A lot of the ones I mentioned above.

C WFC AXP COF ALK
BRK.B INTC AAPL WMT
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: avremie on January 04, 2016, 02:10:17 PM
Bought Amazon at 655 couple of days ago and sold today for 696...
Good job.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: gubevo18 on January 04, 2016, 06:56:26 PM
A lot of the ones I mentioned above.

C WFC AXP COF ALK
BRK.B INTC AAPL WMT
You really believe in WMT? can you explain?
And what do you think about M or CHK
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ilherman on January 04, 2016, 07:20:53 PM
Good job.
I was actually holding on 2 shares.... What a shame....

Good to buy AAPL now? How about Amazon? Will they go back up?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: rivkao on January 04, 2016, 07:26:04 PM
Not a nice start for the new year :-\
Did it everything crash due to the Chinese market?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on January 04, 2016, 07:28:51 PM
I was actually holding on 2 shares.... What a shame....

Good to buy AAPL now? How about Amazon? Will they go back up?
Had I had extra cash I'd invest in both, on what basis? My feelings...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ergel on January 04, 2016, 08:18:12 PM
Did it everything crash due to the Chinese market?
That's the speculation
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on January 06, 2016, 08:24:37 AM
Had I had extra cash I'd invest in both, on what basis? My feelings...
How do you "feel" about AAPL today?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on January 06, 2016, 08:36:41 AM
How do you "feel" about AAPL today?
Shut up!!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on January 06, 2016, 08:44:55 AM
How do you "feel" about AAPL today?

It finally feels like they're at a decent price again.
I love the reports of slashing iPhone production, it happens every year.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on January 06, 2016, 08:58:33 AM
Shut up!!

if you can't handle the ups and downs of a stock maybe you need to rethink your investment strategy.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on January 06, 2016, 09:20:49 AM
if you can't handle the ups and downs of a stock maybe you need to rethink your investment strategy.
Dont worry, I'm fine, I'm entitled to become angry when it's being rubbed into my face though :D
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on January 06, 2016, 08:38:48 PM
Shut up!!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on January 06, 2016, 08:39:03 PM
It finally feels like they're at a decent price again.
-1
My gosh, P/E ratio at 11 while reporting on a GAAP basis + an unprecedented cash hoard, it easily crushes any "iPhone slowdown" doom and gloom IMHO.
I love the reports of slashing iPhone production, it happens every year.
+1
Only downside though, the stock never tends to fully climb back up when those "reports" are debunked.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on January 06, 2016, 09:12:05 PM
Any opinions on UNP?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on January 06, 2016, 09:25:41 PM
-1
My gosh, P/E ratio at 11 while reporting on a GAAP basis + an unprecedented cash hoard, it easily crushes any "iPhone slowdown" doom and gloom IMHO.+1
Only downside though, the stock never tends to fully climb back up when those "reports" are debunked.

Why the -1 if it sounds like you agree?

Apple always go through these cycles.
They go too high, plummet, go sky high again plummet.

I bought a few times at the lows and it always rebounded drastically.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on January 06, 2016, 09:49:43 PM
Why the -1 if it sounds like you agree?
If by
decent price
you ment "ridiculously cheap", then I totally agree.
I bought a few times at the lows and it always rebounded drastically.
+1 (especially from those Q2 2013 buys @ $390's) but not at the same pace it fell.
Though I don't think it has bottomed out just yet, (China news in the last hour alone indicates another drastic drop tomorrow) and I'm counting on a few other WSJ-like articles popping out before earnings
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on January 06, 2016, 11:09:39 PM
If by you ment "ridiculously cheap", then I totally agree.+1 (especially from those Q2 2013 buys @ $390's) but not at the same pace it fell.
Though I don't think it has bottomed out just yet, (China news in the last hour alone indicates another drastic drop tomorrow) and I'm counting on a few other WSJ-like articles popping out before earnings

It's been cheaper than 11 P/E before, and it still has some wiggle room to go lower.
I also bought in 2013 at 420 and tried buying again more at 390 but had to run to seder ::)
Also bought a bunch of years ago at $250 right after the overblown antenna-gate (wasn't a real investment, though I wish it was...I was still a rookie and trying to see if I could find underpriced stocks.)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on January 06, 2016, 11:18:31 PM
You really believe in WMT? can you explain?
And what do you think about M or CHK

Surprisingly WMT is one of the only winners of the past few days.
They're very cheap right now (just 13 p/e), they're a company that I expect to be around a very long time,
and they have incredible logistics that are tough to replicate.

Ecommerce will be a very big factor in the coming years and I think they haven't done a bad job (most retailers have done a far worse job IMO), and will
probably continue to improve the experience and carve out a nice percentage of the increasing online sales.

Add in a 3% dividend + a large percentage of their market cap is backed by cash + assets, and I think they're a good buy.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Let3 on January 07, 2016, 06:05:59 AM
What your opinion on DIS ?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on January 07, 2016, 08:36:19 AM
I'm thinking today may be a buying day for F, especially with an upcoming dividend announcement that should be higher based on previous announcements.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: good sam on January 07, 2016, 05:43:35 PM
AAPL has got to be a buy at this level.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ilherman on January 07, 2016, 08:20:33 PM
AAPL has got to be a buy at this level.
not gonna go down even more?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on January 07, 2016, 08:43:20 PM
not gonna go down even more?

If you buy at these prices you won't regret it in 6-12 months from now.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: CS1 on January 07, 2016, 08:47:44 PM
AAPL has got to be a buy at this level.

true. It's 20% less than it was one month ago. It will likely be up 20% in 6 months. Hence:

If you buy at these prices you won't regret it in 6-12 months from now.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eli1571 on January 08, 2016, 09:10:36 AM
What about FB ?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: rs242 on January 08, 2016, 01:10:34 PM
I would like to get involved with stocks, not sure where to start I have a bunch of stock that I have not touched in 18 years. When I was younger I use to dabble but with no knowledge of what I was doing just trusting a adviser. What's the best way to get my feet wet? Are there any apps that's let u trade with fake money and build a fake portfolio?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Shmulie on January 08, 2016, 01:32:14 PM
I would like to get involved with stocks, not sure where to start I have a bunch of stock that I have not touched in 18 years. When I was younger I use to dabble but with no knowledge of what I was doing just trusting a adviser. What's the best way to get my feet wet? Are there any apps that's let u trade with fake money and build a fake portfolio?
GIYF (http://bfy.tw/3d8V)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on January 08, 2016, 01:32:49 PM
I would like to get involved with stocks, not sure where to start I have a bunch of stock that I have not touched in 18 years. When I was younger I use to dabble but with no knowledge of what I was doing just trusting a adviser. What's the best way to get my feet wet? Are there any apps that's let u trade with fake money and build a fake portfolio?

even if there you do use one (i am sure there are) it won't compare to the emotions that can alter your judgement when you are up or down.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: rs242 on January 08, 2016, 01:33:44 PM

even if there you do use one (i am sure there are) it won't compare to the emotions that can alter your judgement when you are up or down.
i understand but it's a way of getting my feet wet
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on January 08, 2016, 01:47:24 PM
i understand but it's a way of getting my feet wet

i should clarify that I don't necessarily think its a bad way to get your feet wet, just was throwing out the pitfall.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: rs242 on January 08, 2016, 02:49:01 PM

GIYF (http://bfy.tw/3d8V)
thank u
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: caliheat on January 11, 2016, 10:10:13 AM
If you buy at these prices you won't regret it in 6-12 months from now.
Depends, I got in at around 93 6-12 months ago, see where it is now...

true. It's 20% less than it was one month ago. It will likely be up 20% in 6 months. Hence:

Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on January 11, 2016, 10:14:06 AM
Depends, I got in at around 93 6-12 months ago, see where it is now...

Personally I would've sold when it was overvalued, but still-
you made 5.3% plus 2% dividends- not a bad return and nothing you should regret in a flat market.
Give it some more time and it'll be overvalued once again.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: caliheat on January 11, 2016, 10:15:59 AM
Personally I would've sold when it was overvalued, but still-
you made 5.3% plus 2% dividends- not a bad return and nothing you should regret in a flat market.
Give it some more time and it'll be overvalued once again.

I agree; I am in it for the long haul.
20% in 6 months, possible but not likely, definitely not steadfast.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on January 11, 2016, 10:23:55 AM
I agree; I am in it for the long haul.
20% in 6 months, possible but not likely, definitely not steadfast.

I obviously can't put a time frame on when it'll go up 20%,
I just think that 6 months from now it won't be lower,
and in a few years from now it'll probably be at least 30-40% higher.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: churnbabychurn on January 12, 2016, 08:47:54 AM
Anyone have a good resource to learn the ins and out of the Bloomberg terminal?
Like an eBook or something
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Sport on January 12, 2016, 06:12:00 PM
Thoughts on ACI? Bought at $1. Good to hold on or sell it now?
Hope you sold. http://k2radio.com/arch-coal-inc-files-for-bankruptcy/
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eli1571 on January 12, 2016, 06:42:33 PM
Thoughts on Twitter can it get any lower ?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: @Yehuda on January 12, 2016, 06:46:20 PM
Thoughts on Twitter can it get any lower ?
I went in at 29 with that thought process...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eli1571 on January 12, 2016, 07:09:52 PM
I'm basing it on the fact that after the IPO it dropped to this amount as well.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: whacked1 on January 12, 2016, 07:46:07 PM
I went in at 29 with that thought process...
+1 for 35, than again at 24 and again at 21!!!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Mordyk on January 13, 2016, 02:58:22 PM
Bought Amazon at 655 couple of days ago and sold today for 696...
who remembers this guy? ;)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Jkhein on January 13, 2016, 03:49:28 PM
who remembers this guy? ;)
You mean this one
AMZN doesn't follow rational thought.
Pull out whenever you feel comfortable but I wouldn't suggest buying this stock no matter how great you think the company is.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: myi on January 13, 2016, 04:05:17 PM
Did any of you ever hear about the company called wealth generater(they had a parnassah event yesterday in brooklyn and suppose to have one thursday in lakewood.)It was on ywn,there was a whole  ARTICLE-YWN  (https://t.co/QhnE1S9oEE/s/0M6y) : Parnassah? Tonight in Brooklyn, Attend Wealth Generator's Event, (Thursday in Lakewood) - [COMMUNICATED ... - ,is there any truth to it,or is it another scam artist company out there ?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on January 13, 2016, 04:32:49 PM
Did any of you ever hear about the company called wealth generater(they had a parnassah event yesterday in brooklyn and suppose to have one thursday in lakewood.)It was on ywn,there was a whole  ARTICLE-YWN  (https://t.co/QhnE1S9oEE/s/0M6y) : Parnassah? Tonight in Brooklyn, Attend Wealth Generator's Event, (Thursday in Lakewood) - [COMMUNICATED ... - ,is there any truth to it,or is it another scam artist company out there ?

SCAM

Discussed in a different thread, don't remember where.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Am on January 13, 2016, 08:17:07 PM

SCAM

Discussed in a different thread, don't remember where.
ya the discussion started somewhere in the Lakewood thread but may have been spun off into it's own thread at some point
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: churnbabychurn on January 13, 2016, 09:47:37 PM
ya the discussion started somewhere in the Lakewood thread but may have been spun off into it's own thread at some point
It is in the multilevel marketing/ pyramid scam thread where it rightfully belongs.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on January 14, 2016, 09:33:02 AM
Thoughts on Twitter can it get any lower ?
Looks like it could...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ADG on January 14, 2016, 11:39:02 AM
Has anyone here read "the intelligent Investor" By Benjamin Graham? Does anyone here practice value investing? I am asking because i think a found a little discrepancy in the book and want to ask someone.

 
 
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yuneeq on January 14, 2016, 02:22:33 PM
Has anyone here read "the intelligent Investor" By Benjamin Graham? Does anyone here practice value investing? I am asking because i think a found a little discrepancy in the book and want to ask someone.

Excellent book.
And yes.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ADG on January 14, 2016, 02:37:42 PM
At the end of the commentary on chapter 5 Jason brings an example of DCA and says if you have 500 a month. put them in indexes $300 in US stocks index 100 in Bonds and 100 in foreign markets.

This contradicts the basic premise of no less then 25% in bonds. What am I miss understanding?

Also will the retirement fund work under the principals of DCA?

If I have an option of 3-5 different indexes fro each category, would Graham divide it within the category (because the whole strategy is based on diversification)?


 
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ADG on January 14, 2016, 05:48:05 PM
At of curiosity are you defensive or enterprising ?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: eli1571 on January 15, 2016, 06:19:20 AM
Looks like it could...
Guess so.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on January 15, 2016, 01:22:53 PM
A guy just told me to invest in ORIG.

Is that what you're talking about? Do people agree with what my friend advised me?
Imagine....  (https://www.google.com/finance?q=Orig&ei=ujiZVoG7Fs6medD5rtgG)
OTOH it might go back up...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ilherman on January 18, 2016, 08:31:52 PM
Imagine....  (https://www.google.com/finance?q=Orig&ei=ujiZVoG7Fs6medD5rtgG)
OTOH it might go back up...
He actually bought 50k ORIG shares. He claim it will go up.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ilherman on January 18, 2016, 08:34:57 PM
Anyone ever invested here?  :)  Here is what I earned so far...

(http://i.imgur.com/jghhIfL.png)
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Adam101 on January 18, 2016, 11:58:14 PM
Anyone have access to Fous4? ( chat room)
Curious if it lives up to its  hype.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Let3 on January 19, 2016, 01:05:54 PM
How about sprint now?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ABC on January 20, 2016, 09:54:42 AM
Does anyone trade binary options?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on January 20, 2016, 11:07:35 AM
He actually bought 50k ORIG shares. He claim it will go up.
Down another 11%...
Now I'm tempted to buy.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: DMYD on January 20, 2016, 11:24:55 AM
Down another 11%...
Now I'm tempted to buy.
How much was it at the highest?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on January 20, 2016, 11:29:05 AM
How much was it at the highest?
52 week   0.99 - 9.52
All time high $20.83 in Nov 2013
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ADG on January 20, 2016, 12:56:30 PM
He actually bought 50k ORIG shares. He claim it will go up.

Good Luck to those who try to predict the market! they need luck because that is all it is about!
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ilherman on January 20, 2016, 12:59:03 PM
Good Luck to those who try to predict the market! they need luck because that is all it is about!
I guess time will tell.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Adam101 on January 21, 2016, 01:35:44 AM
Needed to understand something. If aftermarket hours a stock goes up , and stays up until 9:30 the next morning, does it open at the price that went up after hours? And if yes, If I want Buy a stock after hours do I pay what it closed at that day? Or the new price even though it's not traiding at that hour?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on January 21, 2016, 01:39:03 AM
Needed to understand something. If aftermarket hours a stock goes up , and stays up until 9:30 the next morning, does it open at the price that went up after hours? And if yes, If I want Buy a stock after hours do I pay what it closed at that day? Or the new price even though it's not traiding at that hour?
Yes, not sure about after hours trading.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Adam101 on January 21, 2016, 01:40:39 AM
Yes, not sure about after hours trading.
what exactly wet l was the yes to? My question was mainly about after-hours trading
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on January 21, 2016, 01:49:16 AM
what exactly wet l was the yes to? My question was mainly about after-hours trading
See the line in bold.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Adam101 on January 21, 2016, 01:59:16 AM
See the line in bold.
I'm on tapatalk. No bold.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on January 21, 2016, 02:06:36 AM
I'm on tapatalk. No bold.
Here you go.
If aftermarket hours a stock goes up , and stays up until 9:30 the next morning, does it open at the price that went up after hours?
Yes.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Adam101 on January 21, 2016, 02:09:02 AM
Here you go. Yes.
Im kein, if aftermarket hours a stock goes up why doesn't everyone just buy it then and there for the lower price of the closing the day before so that when it opens they're able to sell it immediately for the higher price that it opened up as?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on January 21, 2016, 02:16:31 AM
Im kein, if aftermarket hours a stock goes up why doesn't everyone just buy it then and there for the lower price of the closing the day before so that when it opens they're able to sell it immediately for the higher price that it opened up as?
I'm not familiar with after hours trading but basically 4:00 the market closes and you cannot trade until tomorrow 9:30, only some investors (Google for more info) are able to trade after hours (which is what causes activity after hours),
But if you'd be able to trade after hours then you'd pay the higher price and not the price at which it closed at 4:00.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Adam101 on January 21, 2016, 02:18:08 AM
I'm not familiar with after hours trading but basically 4:00 the market closes and you cannot trade until tomorrow 9:30, only some investors (Google for more info) are able to trade after hours (which is what causes activity after hours),
But if you'd be able to trade after hours then you'd pay the higher price and not the price at which it closed at 4:00.
Not sure if that's 100% correct. From what I gather most if not all stocks can have after hours activity. The reason not a lot of trades go down then is because there aren't a lot of traders willing to trade at that time. And if there are no sellers there can't be any buyers...
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Centro on January 21, 2016, 02:30:25 AM
Not sure if that's 100% correct. From what I gather most if not all stocks can have after hours activity. The reason not a lot of trades go down then is because there aren't a lot of traders willing to trade at that time. And if there are no sellers there can't be any buyers...
I might be totally wrong, that's according to what I remember from a long time ago, if I'm wrong just correct me.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: miles lover on January 21, 2016, 02:46:50 AM
Not sure if that's 100% correct. From what I gather most if not all stocks can have after hours activity. The reason not a lot of trades go down then is because there aren't a lot of traders willing to trade at that time. And if there are no sellers there can't be any buyers...
Nah. After hours is not open for everyone.  And for those that are able to trade it works just like the reg day just witg extended hours. not sure what your "im kein" was about.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: good sam on January 21, 2016, 07:13:34 AM
Nah. After hours is not open for everyone.  And for those that are able to trade it works just like the reg day just witg extended hours. not sure what your "im kein" was about.
+1

You guys are asking as if there's some sort of set price that you can buy stock at after hours or at the open. The price that you can buy stock at any time of day is determined only by the amount someone else is willing to sell it for.

The price at the open is not determined by the previous closing price or after hour trading. It's simply the price that people are willing to trade for at that given moment.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Zevwolf on January 22, 2016, 12:23:50 PM
AXP  down %11. That's what happens when you don't give small business Saturday.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yos9694 on January 22, 2016, 12:35:42 PM
AXP  down %11. That's what happens when you don't give small business Saturday.

Ha. Have you been following the rash of bad news Amex has had in the past 12 months, leading up to the announcement that they (need to) trim $1B of expenses? Losing Costco, losing the anti-trust lawsuit, losing on foreign currency exchanges from a steadily strengthening dollar, the death of the company president... in all not a good year. They are going to struggle no doubt; look out for some belt tightening on the beloved (but overly abused) cardmember benefits in 2016.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: yos9694 on January 22, 2016, 12:41:48 PM
Nah. After hours is not open for everyone.  And for those that are able to trade it works just like the reg day just witg extended hours. not sure what your "im kein" was about.

Fidelity lets me trade after hours. So did Scottrade and Tradeking and a handful of other online brokers I've used in the past. It's not that people aren't able to trade after hours if they want to, it's that they don't want to. Fewer market makers operating and fewer traders trading, much higher bid/ask spreads - it's not for everyone. Unless you're reacting to a specific piece of after hours news (e.g. earnings report) there just won't be a lot of volume.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: mirguy on January 24, 2016, 11:47:50 AM
Anyone have thoughts or insights into gpro?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: whacked1 on January 24, 2016, 05:04:25 PM
Any thoughts on TWTR? Do ya'll think it'll tank (more than it did already) tomorrow because of their executive debacle.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: mirguy on January 24, 2016, 05:18:40 PM
Sounds like It tanked on untrue buyout rumours so I would think no
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: whacked1 on January 24, 2016, 06:11:04 PM
Sounds like It tanked on untrue buyout rumours so I would think no
Not what I'm referring to
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: mirguy on January 24, 2016, 06:15:20 PM
Woops little behind on the news ....
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: gubevo18 on January 24, 2016, 07:51:47 PM
Any thoughts on TWTR? Do ya'll think it'll tank (more than it did already) tomorrow because of their executive debacle.

It prob will, the street never likes uncertainty. But why continue to hold? What's the catalyst that'll make them (more specifically their stock price) all of the sudden rebound upwards in the future?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: whacked1 on January 24, 2016, 08:28:23 PM
It prob will, the street never likes uncertainty. But why continue to hold? What's the catalyst that'll make them (more specifically their stock price) all of the sudden rebound upwards in the future?
I'm not ready to call my losses. I gotta give it some time.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: good sam on January 24, 2016, 08:31:52 PM
I'm not ready to call my losses. I gotta give it some time.
sounds like a good strategy.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: 12HRS on January 24, 2016, 09:43:34 PM
I'm not ready to call my losses. I gotta give it some time.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/facebook-s-new-sports-feature-is-bad-news-for-twitter-204027421.html

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"I don't think Twitter is nervous about Facebook specifically," this executive says, "but they are nervous about all the different platforms encroaching on real-time data, because Twitter is the real-time platform, whereas everything else is not."
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ADG on January 27, 2016, 03:19:13 PM
Is there anyone here that reads the 10-k reports before investing in a company?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: churnbabychurn on January 27, 2016, 07:24:05 PM
Is there anyone here that reads the 10-k reports before investing in a company?
Nah, I think everyone here invests in Apple Google and Amazon.

Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Ephraimh on January 28, 2016, 07:59:43 PM

Nah, I think everyone in America invests in Apple Google and Amazon

FTFY
That's why it's commonly talked about.
I own 30+ stocks, 10 of which sounds more like a name for a disorder (I don't own ADHD, I should look into PTSD though... ) than a stock ticker, if I (or somebody else with theirs) bring up those lesser known symbols nobody would care to engage, hence the high frequency of GOOG AAPL AMZN talk here. IMHO.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Adam101 on January 29, 2016, 02:50:47 PM
Where can I get real-time candle charts?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: killamatic12 on January 31, 2016, 10:48:52 AM
Where can I get real-time candle charts?
freestockcharts.com
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ludmila on February 01, 2016, 07:07:46 PM
That is not the way it works, whether a stock is up or down after hours the opening price is determined on the opening by the specialist depending on the orders received , and whether there is an imbalance between buy and sell orders coming from mutual funds, hedge funds and retail customers.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ludmila on February 01, 2016, 07:11:35 PM
+1

You guys are asking as if there's some sort of set price that you can buy stock at after hours or at the open. The price that you can buy stock at any time of day is determined only by the amount someone else is willing to sell it for.

The price at the open is not determined by the previous closing price or after hour trading. It's simply the price that people are willing to trade for at that given moment.

Correct explanation.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ludmila on February 01, 2016, 07:34:20 PM
Anyone have access to Fous4? ( chat room)
Curious if it lives up to its  hype.

All chat rooms are a rip off, to be successful in trading you have to make your own decisions, fundamentals are already reflected in the price of a stock or a commodity, you are not discovering any new info that the hedge funds do not already know, I was fortunate to train with one of the biggest and best traders ever , he was featured in the well known Market Wizards book , we use certain technical signals that are propriety , self discipline. using stops , letting profits run while moving your stops to protect your profits , also do not chase the herd, pigs get slaughtered, best stocks or commodities to watch right now are oil, gold, silver, palladium,platinum, agricultural commodities, after running up like crazy for many years they have been in a bear market and are bottoming out, buy low and sell high, do not chase those social media , biotech and tech or internet stocks that have skyrocketed 400-500% since QE started, when they crash you can lose it all in a very short period.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: Adam101 on February 01, 2016, 07:35:10 PM
All chat rooms are a rip off, to be successful in trading you have to make your own decisions, fundamentals are already reflected in the price of a stock or a commodity, you are not discovering any new info that the hedge funds do not already know, I was fortunate to train with one of the biggest and best traders ever , he was featured in the well known Market Wizards book , we use certain technical signals that are propriety , self discipline. using stops , letting profits run while moving your stops to protect your profits , also do not chase the herd, pigs get slaughtered, best stocks or commodities to watch right now are oil, gold, silver, palladium,platinum, agricultural commodities, after running up like crazy for many years they have been in a bear market and are bottoming out, buy low and sell high, do not chase those social media , biotech and tech or internet stocks that have skyrocketed 400-500% since QE started, when they crash you can lose it all in a very short period.
That's kind of why I asked if anyone has access to it so I don't have to pay it myself. Would like to see what a chat room with this content is all about
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ludmila on February 01, 2016, 07:43:29 PM
52 week   0.99 - 9.52
All time high $20.83 in Nov 2013

The all time high or yearly high do not matter in this case, there is no fundamental change or any TA reason to buy ORIG, sure it might move up a few cents, but longer term there is more chance of being delisted.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ludmila on February 01, 2016, 07:46:14 PM
I don't think you understand.

The "Cloud" is a commodity.
There are many companies operating in this space.
They buy hard drives and rent it out to other companies.
They compete on price, so it's not like Microsoft can say "wow we have a cloud that costs us $1b to maintain, let's charge $10b!".

Theres no easy money in cloud technologies.
Microsoft is paying boatloads of engineers, boatloads of money.

Thanks for a great and simple explanation.

Basically, it's not as simple as you make it sound.
You asked for criticism, here you have it.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: gubevo18 on February 01, 2016, 09:25:38 PM
thoughts on RDS'B?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: killamatic12 on February 02, 2016, 08:37:41 AM
That's kind of why I asked if anyone has access to it so I don't have to pay it myself. Would like to see what a chat room with this content is all about
I actually took his partners' course. Kunal desai. I knew nothing about trading. I'm obviously still learning but I was in his chatroom (kunal desai's) and they are good. I think you have to know his method though because they buy and sell max 5k shares. I believe fous goes big like 50k and so you can follow him easier. They both trade from a platform that they own which is supposedly the best for retail traders. I think it's 27 cents per 1000 shares. If you have Twitter, you can follow "szaman" who goes by the Twitter name NYCtrader. He's been giving away a lot of good calls lately or follow kunal desai. Good luck. If you have any questions, pm me.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ludmila on February 03, 2016, 11:15:04 PM
That's kind of why I asked if anyone has access to it so I don't have to pay it myself. Would like to see what a chat room with this content is all about

They all make their money from members, some recommended trades work and some do not, you can do better on your own, just find a trading style that suits your personality.Good luck.
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: nobiggy on February 03, 2016, 11:31:25 PM
Anyone here have value line?
Title: Re: Stocks
Post by: ludmila on February 03, 2016, 11:32:51 PM
I actually took his partners' course. Kunal desai. I knew nothing about trading. I'm obviously still learning but I was in his chatroom (kunal desai's) and they are good. I think you have to know his method though because they buy and sell max 5k shares. I believe fous goes big like 50k and so you can follow him easier. They both trade from a platform that they own which is supposedly the best for retail traders. I think it's 27 cents per 1000 shares. If you have Twitter, you can follow "szaman" who goes by the Twitter name NYCtrader. He's been giving away a lot of good calls lately or follow kunal desai. Good luck. If you have any questions, pm me.

Good traders trade and make big money on their own, the wanna be traders rip others off by offering trading classes and chat rooms because they CAN'T make a profit trading their own accounts, if my method of trading is a good one, i am not going to share it with others, ill be making a fortune trading. I have trained  under Victor Sperandeo, aka Trader Vic, he and Marty Schwartz are the best among the great traders featured in the Market Wizards, these 2 guys are in their sixties now and never had a losing year in over