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Just Shmooze / Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« on: Today at 10:35:02 PM »
Not really following but it sounds like a big nothing..

Which? my whole thread ? sure in light of @cmey  yes.

From the get go I asked Rabbi smith and he said hes not seen it in the rambam and it would be a OU typo.

Lots of things dont "make sense"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_years_(Jewish_calendar)

Rabbi Geizinsky in NMB has a book on it I was reading.

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Just Shmooze / Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« on: Today at 10:26:41 PM »
Thatís because itís a misquote. The yerushalmi and bavli are merely brought as a basis by some to say that Rabbi Dosa and Chaggai met each other. The Rambam (its in the hakdama miseder zeraim haperek hariviíi) learns that Rav Dosa was in the generation of Shimon Hatzadik (and therefore chaggai) and it was Rav Dosa who lived until the time of Rabbi Akiva...

Thank you, because I asked and no one knew where the rambam said it.


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Just Shmooze / Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« on: Today at 10:25:18 PM »
You're issue in a nutshell is you can't fathom that there wasn't social media and paparazzi around every aged Rabbi a there is today and documenting their lives? We see very clearly only things that were important L'doros were written, even megillas Esther wasn't so simple, who knows if we'd have ever heard of the story..  had Esther not gotten her way...

I have nachman cohen's "esther's plea"

But there were midrash and talmdic instances where they visited old sages to ask questions ?

The case of pinchas in his old age is different

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Just Shmooze / Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« on: Today at 10:02:22 PM »

Can it be as simple as the same reason that the nevua that was transmitted is a tiny fraction of what there was. And the only stuff written are things that are nogeia L'doros..

I've been thinking and discussing that too...becsuse there were hundreds of true neviim that aren't in the canon.

Ovadiya saved 100 prophets alone.

Still, I'm not saying its not true. I said it doesn't make sense.

Maybe because I live in 2018 where we micro focus on every aged rebbe and rav but I can't believe that.. They visited aged taanaim and amoraim etc.
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i just don't understand how chagai who was a chain in the mesorah or Mordecai could exist for hundreds of years and this all not recorded nor were they contributing Torah etc?

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Just Shmooze / Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« on: Today at 09:39:01 PM »
See radak "rachok meod" far fetched.

He must be a heretic like me

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Just Shmooze / Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« on: Today at 09:31:23 PM »
Did Ruth live 300+ years? (see tal. baba batra 91b - she was alive after Abshalom becomes king)...?

שנאמר (מלכים א ב, יט) וישם כסא לאם המלך וא"ר אלעזר לאמה של מלכות

רשב"ם - זו רות המואביה - שנקראת על שבט יהודה כלומר בנים שיצאו ממנה.

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Just Shmooze / Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« on: Today at 09:24:28 PM »
Can I ask a silly question, all the way from the first post of this thread?

Where is this Rambam?

Very good point, I asked someone fluent in the rambam and he doesn't recall.. Maybe the ou messed up? But per @cmey it's in yerushalmi.

My question is then how literal is this?  Though Pinchas lived very long. Maybe chagai was a spirit ?

iI hhave no issue accepting someone lived 600 yyears as unnatural as that is. I just have a hard time understanding a navi living that long and disappearing from public life and history. Why would he give him hhis leadership role? 

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Just Shmooze / Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« on: Today at 08:17:58 PM »
?
Great comeback to not answer my question. You understand clearly that what a tanna said has nothing to do with what we could say.

Sure. I have a duty to question everything.


Do you talk in shull? if yes, do you believe in God ? because clearly you dont respect him

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Just Shmooze / Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« on: Today at 06:47:34 PM »
@chevron You say:

Yet you also write:
Which (IINM) most around here would find an extremely problematic statement. So you might be the one engaged in Loshon Hora here (against Rabbi Smith).

In any event, I think you should find a way to read comments, even those responding, arguing or refuting your statements, and not take them as attacks.

So let's try to simplify your issue/question in your OP: When it is stated that someone lived a few hundred years, does it not make sense to you? Why? Is it in all cases? Only after a certain period? What length of lifespan is it that starts to become "it doesn't make sense" (which sounds like a blanket statement as if there's a problem with the statement of fact) versus "I can't understand it" (which is a personal questioning of the stated facts which seem to contradict your understandings otherwise)?

Yes "you" i.e. ME... his response was, either I believe in nevua or I dont.

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Just Shmooze / Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« on: Today at 06:45:36 PM »
are you implying that you are on the level of the tanaaim or amoraim?

Did you stop beating your wife ?

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Just Shmooze / Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« on: Today at 06:44:32 PM »
The Gemara clearly states that Rabbi Pereidah lived 400 years. You may want to take issue with the Gemara as well. And since we are close to Purim, Rashi says that Mordechai was on the Sanhedrin during the first Bais Hamikdash, was in the story of Purim, and was still a leader of Klal Yisrael during the seige of Hyrcanus and Aristobulus, during Romeís ascendency when he would be well over 400 years old...

Yes modchai's age was discussed. My issue with chaggai is not as much age but what I wrote earlier, Rambam says shimon hatzadik was the last of anshei keneses hagedola

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Just Shmooze / Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« on: Today at 05:50:20 PM »
That would be extremely helpful for me.  :)

Maybe you want to switch user names so we can confuse them?

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Just Shmooze / Re: Torah stuff that I don't understand
« on: Today at 05:49:27 PM »
You are not, because you do not have enough knowledge in the field.
You also fail to answer a simple question of mine

I can still say it doesn't make sense.

Rambam says in the intro that Chaggai was part of the Anshei Knesset HaGedolah and that the last surviving member was Shimon HaTzadik (not Chaggai)

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Just Shmooze / Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« on: Today at 05:47:45 PM »
That explains some of this. If your source of information leaves open the possibility to deny one of the ikrim then we get the language used to begin this thread.

I have no idea how you got that. And with all the hard time you give me, you slander a noted dayan? 

I stated very clearly what his reply was. Use your intellect to process it.

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Just Shmooze / Re: Torah stuff that I don't understand
« on: Today at 05:29:20 PM »
Please explain system....
No you are not little guy, Your entitled to say I dont understand the Rambam.

No I'm entitled to say it doesn't make sense.  It could as well indicate that the ou made a typo.


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