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I would think that clam chowder needs totally different equipment than apple juice... - But I'm not supprised, and neither should you be - that a plant that has specialized equipment to spray/dry coffee, could technically be spray drying milk. Or even clam chowder.
What you would think in your ignorance is irrelevant. It it's easy and common to use a pasteurizer for various items. Your thoughts that clam chowder would need different equipment than juice is without basis as is your assumption that a plant which dries coffee would (more relevant than could) also dry milk. It would be silly to do it due to the specialized system needed for milk.

Again, is there anyone knowledgeable who disagrees with these hechsherim about this or is it only your baseless feelings?

I'm going to let all the experts hash it out without having done some basic research. I'm starting to understand why doctors hate internet medical advice.
Point of note, I have asked twice if there is anyone who knows what they are talking about who disagrees with the OU, OK, Star K, CRC and others about this. Meanwhile there have been no replies.

Is it against VA law to remove a confederate memorial?
  15.2-1812. Memorials for war veterans.

A locality may, within the geographical limits of the locality, authorize and permit the erection of monuments or memorials for any war or conflict, or for any engagement of such war or conflict, to include the following monuments or memorials: Algonquin (1622), French and Indian (1754-1763), Revolutionary (1775-1783), War of 1812 (1812-1815), Mexican (1846-1848), Confederate or Union monuments or memorials of the War Between the States (1861-1865), Spanish-American (1898), World War I (1917-1918), World War II (1941-1945), Korean (1950-1953), Vietnam (1965-1973), Operation Desert Shield-Desert Storm (1990-1991), Global War on Terrorism (2000- ), Operation Enduring Freedom (2001- ), and Operation Iraqi Freedom (2003- ). If such are erected, it shall be unlawful for the authorities of the locality, or any other person or persons, to disturb or interfere with any monuments or memorials so erected, or to prevent its citizens from taking proper measures and exercising proper means for the protection, preservation and care of same. For purposes of this section, "disturb or interfere with" includes removal of, damaging or defacing monuments or memorials, or, in the case of the War Between the States, the placement of Union markings or monuments on previously designated Confederate memorials or the placement of Confederate markings or monuments on previously designated Union memorials.

The governing body may appropriate a sufficient sum of money out of its funds to complete or aid in the erection of monuments or memorials to the veterans of such wars. The governing body may also make a special levy to raise the money necessary for the erection or completion of any such monuments or memorials, or to supplement the funds already raised or that may be raised by private persons, Veterans of Foreign Wars, the American Legion or other organizations. It may also appropriate, out of any funds of such locality, a sufficient sum of money to permanently care for, protect and preserve such monuments or memorials and may expend the same thereafter as other funds are expended.

Code 1950, 15-696; 1962, c. 623, 15.1-270; 1982, c. 19; 1988, c. 284; 1997, c. 587; 1998, c. 752; 2005, c. 390; 2010, c. 860.

The chapters of the acts of assembly referenced in the historical citation at the end of this section may not constitute a comprehensive list of such chapters and may exclude chapters whose provisions have expired.

Does my insurance (geico) go up if a car hit me while parked
It shouldn't. Do you know who the driver was?

This eclipse was a great way for Americans to forget about all the political nonsense dividing us and to come together in unity over this monumental cosmic event, and also to remember that if science can predict eclipses, it can also predict climate change, you science-denying dumb@SS mofos.'s_Number_of_the_Day

It may be DROPR in the nestle case, wondering what's the actual reason these d o not have an OU as opposed to other Tasters Choice
So we can easily have a plant which would say they process milk but doesn't do so in a manner which would cause a kashrus problem. If giving a hechsher on it then the hechsher would need to make all sorts of assurances that there is no residue while practically even if there is it would be batel and we have a right to rely on the cleaning process.

Logic. What else are they doing with milk?

Mixing it in to the "flavor" in a separate milchic kitchen part of the plant? Nah.
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how these products are made. When you have a container of powdered cappuccino the plant where they dry the coffee is highly unlikely to be the one drying the milk. In order to dry milk they would need all of the equipment and regulations of a dairy. Instead they buy powdered milk and simply mix it with the dried coffee in a tumbler which looks similar to a drier. All that ever goes into the tumbler will be dry powders at ambient temperature.

I thought it's fine? Like coffee.
How does room temperature powder in a mixer have bliyos?

I say they dry milk.
On what basis?

And sticking that into the "flavor" disclaimer is disingenuous

According to an OU article that @aygart linked, it's fine and doesn't need a hechsher because the plant only makes coffee.
Problem is that this is simply not true in this case. And it definitely would therefore need a hechsher even according to the OU.
Is there anyone who actually knows what they are talking about who is of this opinion?

Saying that plants only make coffee, and therefore doesn't need a hechsher, does not mean they also make milk. That is so rediculous. If they process other things besides coffee they most definitely need a hechsher.
The OU was wrong about the premiss.

So now coffee is milchig , but it's ok because it's chlov hacompanies? How does that make sense to you?

If the drying equipment is used exclusively for coffee and the only other ingredients in the plant are mixed into the dry coffee then regular coffee which does not go through that equipment will automatically not be affected. It is not that they dry milk in the plant but that they have a separate piece of equipment in which they mix powdered milk with the dry coffee at ambient temperatures. In that case it would be included in this.
Although there are forms of flavored instant coffees, the flavors are added at ambient temperatures after the drying process.
So we can easily have a plant which would say they process milk but doesn't do so in a manner which would cause a kashrus problem. If giving a hechsher on it then the hechsher would need to make all sorts of assurances that there is no residue while practically even if there is it would be batel and we have a right to rely on the cleaning process.

And again, if this is not something you understood from my previous post you should refrain from discussing hechsherim.


    Wanted to know from the kashrus experts, what the deal is with drinks where the ingredients are all 100% kosher -- just doesn't make the kosher list because the factory uses the same machinery for other products that have grape ingredients.

E.g. 100% pure apple juice.

I am sure the factories would clean / flush the equipment out between the production of different products, as people have allergies. So the question is why one cannot rely on bitul?

There is a concept called bliyos which creates certain precise requirements to run kosher using non kosher equipment.

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