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Lol, perhaps you're saying that now, but you'll have a tough time twisting the statement I replied to into anything resembling the statement above.

But once we're on the topic - it's not disingenuous to point out the dollar amounts of the cuts for different ranges of wealth/income. Perhaps it's disingenuous to assume everyone agrees that the current proposal is bad for that reason, but no more than the opposite assumption.

Also, your argument at best holds water with the changes to the individual income brackets and tax rates. When you factor in all the other things in the bill (estate tax repeal, changes to the AMT, and many others), it becomes pretty clear that even on a percentage basis, the top few percent gain more from the bill than anyone else. You could of course argue that this brings us closer to how it should be, but it would still be disingenuous to call the bill a tax cut for the middle class when it does so much more for the upper class and beyond.
Each of those items was a campaign promise of his. His tax promises can't be compared to Obama's keep your plan promise just because those items which he also campaigned on are also included in the same bill.

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I didn't make an argument yet. But it sounds like you do believe tax cuts by definition must benefit those that already pay higher taxes more than those who pay lower amounts of taxes. That's certainly false. A tax cut can be constructed in any way the legislators want to, targeting whatever segment they want to. The same is true in reverse when implementing or raising taxes.
Of course you can do whatever you want. You can confiscate all of the upper class's money and hand to the lower class too. That does not mean it is a rational tax argument. I am simply saying that the argument that the rich are getting a larger dollar amount of the tax cut is a disingenuous argument. If you cut every single person's taxes by the same percentage the bulk will be saved by the rich. You can make the middle class pay no tax at all and cut the rich's rate by a few percentage points and the rich will still get a larger dollar amount of the tax cuts.

Doing so would be to make the tax code more progressive. It is ridiculous to be expecting the Rs to do that.

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Just catching up on this thread and came across this beauty. I really hope you don't actually believe this (insert your tired line about process arguments here).
That's a very coherent argument ::)

I only use that when it actually has to do with process. It is true whether you like it or not. Or are you one of those who feel one party is sincere and one not?

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OK then you are wrong.
Show me the numbers

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I thought you meant partisan as in R vs D. If you meant middle/low vs upper then we are on the same page.
I did mean R vs D

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Ok that's fair. Using your vast wisdom how about taking an educated guess?  :)
I already wrote that I think the support is mostly partisan. Probably lower among middle class than upper class but not very significant.

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Why do you refuse to answer this question?
I didn't find numbers on that.

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Actually I think the R's support is higher. Again that doesn't answer my question.

Oh yes it does. Don't change the question now.

There is a thread for this but check who favors this bill and who doesn't and you will have your answer who it is better for.
What percent of middle/low income R's favor the bill? Leave the other party out of it.

As far as who benefits the most of course it will be the upper class. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to relearn elementary school math.

Of course it benefits the rich mor ethan the middle class. How could any tax cut not benefit those who pay more taxes more than those who pay less?

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You completely avoided the question. You claimed this only about parties. So I will ask again.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-tax-poll/nearly-half-of-americans-oppose-republican-tax-bill-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKBN1DT3BX
In the Nov. 23-27 poll, 59 percent of Republicans supported the tax bill, 26 percent said they did not know and 15 percent opposed it. Among Democrats, 82 percent opposed it, 11 percent said they did not know and 8 percent supported it.

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What percent of middle/low income R's favor the bill? Leave the other party out of it.

Also you might want to check who the pass-through benefits the most. Hint: not small businesses.
Of course it benefits the rich mor ethan the middle class. How could any tax cut not benefit those who pay more taxes more than those who pay less?

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Nothing and your trolling comments are really getting out of hand.
My trolling comments? LOL

It is so obvious that party affiliation/never Trumpism is so very highly correlated to whether or not people like this bill.

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There is a thread for this but check who favors this bill and who doesn't and you will have your answer who it is better for.
What does party affiliation have to do with it?

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So you don't have a problem with his promise for tax plan for the middle working class that is a giveaway to the rich and big businesses?
I see benefits for the middle class too. The cap on pass through taxes are tremendous for any small business owner. SALT is the big thing for those like you and I living in high tax states. Considering the percentage of taxes pad by the 1% any tax cut will benfit them more.

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So its OK to mislead your readers as long as your not a journalist?
It is not okay but is unfortunately par for the course with politicians. I care much less about his less about fluff and hot air than about the more substantive one like Obama's if you like your plan you can keep your plan.

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