Author Topic: We The People - Big News for Rubashkin!! (Read 40300 times)

AsherO · « **Reply #140 on:** November 02, 2011, 02:20:42 PM »

Quote from: mercaz1 on November 02, 2011, 02:19:45 PM

even that might be hard to get

Granted. All I'm saying is if it's done it's likely to have an effect. oBOMBa needs every vote he can get.

AJK · « **Reply #141 on:** November 02, 2011, 03:18:21 PM »

Quote from: AsherO on November 02, 2011, 02:20:42 PM

Granted. All I'm saying is if it's done it's likely to have an effect. oBOMBa needs every vote he can get.

Oh please. Obama isn't going to launch an internal investigation as a result of 10,000 (or even 50,000 though itll never happen) callers. He's not going to risk a backlash from whatever is left of his established base.

Calculus: please 10,000 or alienate thousands more?

PlatinumGuy · « **Reply #142 on:** November 02, 2011, 03:24:20 PM »

Quote from: AJK on November 02, 2011, 03:18:21 PM

Oh please. Obama isn't going to launch an internal investigation as a result of 10,000 (or even 50,000 though itll never happen) callers. He's not going to risk a backlash from whatever is left of his established base.

Calculus: please 10,000 or alienate thousands more?

all it takes is to crash their phones etc. (like what he did to congress) & make it to national news

Maybe we can bombard his Twitter acct? or some media members? it would be nice to have #ObamaRespond trending (when many users include that hashtag in their tweets).

AsherO · « **Reply #143 on:** November 02, 2011, 05:29:36 PM »

Quote from: AJK on November 02, 2011, 03:18:21 PM

Oh please. Obama isn't going to launch an internal investigation as a result of 10,000 (or even 50,000 though itll never happen) callers. He's not going to risk a backlash from whatever is left of his established base.

Calculus: please 10,000 or alienate thousands more?

He'll be in a bind because if he completely ignores it and the right wing media picks up on it, they'll totally go to town...

Quote from: PlatinumGuy on November 02, 2011, 03:24:20 PM

all it takes is to crash their phones etc. (like what he did to congress) & make it to national news

Maybe we can bombard his Twitter acct? or some media members? it would be nice to have #ObamaRespond trending (when many users include that hashtag in their tweets).

+1

AJK · « **Reply #144 on:** November 02, 2011, 05:31:10 PM »

Quote from: AsherO on November 02, 2011, 05:29:36 PM

He'll be in a bind because if he completely ignores it and the right wing media picks up on it, they'll totally go to town...

Oh, you mean more than they already have?

AsherO · « **Reply #145 on:** November 03, 2011, 10:09:23 AM »

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/Article.aspx?id=244183

AJK · « **Reply #146 on:** November 03, 2011, 10:12:40 AM »

Quote from: AsherO on November 03, 2011, 10:09:23 AM

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/Article.aspx?id=244183

Meh. Like it or not, Obama fell back on a plausible excuse.

OTOH, had we asked for a pardon... (as others have pointed out)

mercaz1 · « **Reply #147 on:** November 03, 2011, 10:14:56 AM »

not exactly the paper with the biggest circulation
he needs to get it published in the Times or Wall Street Journal

AsherO · « **Reply #148 on:** November 03, 2011, 10:15:41 AM »

Quote from: AJK on November 03, 2011, 10:12:40 AM

Meh. Like it or not, Obama fell back on a plausible excuse.

Plausable my @$$, it's a cop out IMHO.

mercaz1 · « **Reply #149 on:** November 03, 2011, 10:16:02 AM »

does he deserve a pardon?
he def deserves clemency but not so sure about a a full pardon, he did commit a crime ateotd (at the end of the day)

AJK · « **Reply #150 on:** November 03, 2011, 10:16:12 AM »

Quote from: mercaz1 on November 03, 2011, 10:14:56 AM

not exactly the paper with the biggest circulation
he needs to get it published in the Times or Wall Street Journal

The New York Times? Publish this? Ha.

AJK · « **Reply #151 on:** November 03, 2011, 10:17:34 AM »

Quote from: AsherO on November 03, 2011, 10:15:41 AM

Plausable my @$$, it's a cop out IMHO.

Cop out, most definitely. Problem is what I said and what you said aren't mutually exclusive.

Quote from: mercaz1 on November 03, 2011, 10:16:02 AM

does he deserve a pardon?
he def deserves clemency but not so sure about a a full pardon, he did commit a crime ateotd (at the end of the day)

I'm not saying he does or doesn't. All I'm saying is that it would have (theoretically) compelled Obama to address the issue directly.

AsherO · « **Reply #152 on:** November 03, 2011, 10:21:46 AM »

Quote from: AJK on November 03, 2011, 10:16:12 AM

The New York Times? Publish this? Ha.

+1

Quote from: AJK on November 03, 2011, 10:17:34 AM

Cop out, most definitely. Problem is what I said and what you said aren't mutually exclusive.

Plausible is an ambiguous word, his argument definitely isn't plausible by my standards (for example).

Quote from: AJK on November 03, 2011, 10:17:34 AM

I'm not saying he does or doesn't. All I'm saying is that it would have (theoretically) compelled Obama to address the issue directly.

He would just find another cop out.

AJK · « **Reply #153 on:** November 03, 2011, 10:29:38 AM »

Quote from: AsherO on November 03, 2011, 10:21:46 AM

Plausible is an ambiguous word, his argument definitely isn't plausible by my standards (for example).

Well, I obviously cannot speak to your standards of plausibility (I don't even know you), but whatever your standards are separation of powers is deeply rooted in the American democracy and constitution, and whether we like it or not, a President refusing to compel (directly or indirectly) a different branch of the Government is consistent within that rubric.

Quote from: AsherO on November 03, 2011, 10:21:46 AM

He would just find another cop out.

Perhaps, but it woulda made it more difficult (at least in light of his most recent response).

AsherO · « **Reply #154 on:** November 03, 2011, 10:33:46 AM »

Quote from: AJK on November 03, 2011, 10:29:38 AM

Well, I obviously cannot speak to your standards of plausibility (I don't even know you), but whatever your standards are separation of powers is deeply rooted in the American democracy and constitution, and whether we like it or not, a President refusing to compel (directly or indirectly) a different branch of the Government is consistent within that rubric.

Oh, what people will do in defense of 'democracy'...

Quote from: AJK on November 03, 2011, 10:29:38 AM

Perhaps, but it woulda made it more difficult (at least in light of his most recent response).

Agreed.

AJK · « **Reply #155 on:** November 03, 2011, 10:35:59 AM »

Quote from: AsherO on November 03, 2011, 10:33:46 AM

Oh, what people will do in defense of 'democracy'...

Oh, I absolutely agree Obama used this response out of mere convenience. Problem is we can't truly call him out on it as it is "plausible."

Maybe that's the wrong word.

mercaz1 · « **Reply #156 on:** November 03, 2011, 12:54:40 PM »

technically its the same branch of government since he would instruct the justice dept to look into it which is under the attorney general which is under the executive branch which obama controls

jj1000 · « **Reply #157 on:** April 30, 2012, 11:00:26 PM »

I found this article by Alan Dershowitz very interesting from a law view point. http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=1202550419883&slreturn=1

Dan · « **Reply #158 on:** January 18, 2017, 03:39:16 PM »

If Rubashkin announces that he wants to become a woman, will Obama commute his sentence?

whYME · « **Reply #159 on:** January 18, 2017, 03:44:33 PM »

Quote from: Dan on January 18, 2017, 03:39:16 PM

If Rubashkin announces that he wants to become a woman, will Obama commute his sentence?

I don't think that'll be enough for him. Maybe if he also says he wants to be a drug dealer when he gets out...