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Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #90 on: March 21, 2013, 09:08:41 PM »
My understanding is that the heter to eat before davening may only apply if its absolutely essential to improving your davening, (even then, only chabad go with this) I would imagine its not encouraged...
Chabad yeshivos all serve (and encourage) mezonos before davening. I'll leave it up to Chabad poskim to explain their position.
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Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #91 on: March 21, 2013, 09:09:15 PM »
Chabad yeshivos all encourage and serve mezonos before davening. I'll leave it up to Chabad poskim to explain their position.
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Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #92 on: March 21, 2013, 09:13:46 PM »
Chabad yeshivos all serve (and encourage) mezonos before davening. I'll leave it up to Chabad poskim to explain their position.
I personally would daven better if I would eat before Shacharis. More than once I went through the sugya and basically came out that if that's the case (you'll daven better) you're allowed to, I just could never muster up the guts to eat b4 davening.  :)
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Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #93 on: March 21, 2013, 09:46:06 PM »
I personally would daven better if I would eat before Shacharis. More than once I went through the sugya and basically came out that if that's the case (you'll daven better) you're allowed to, I just could never muster up the guts to eat b4 davening.  :)
Really ::)? Do yourself a favor speak to a orthodox rabbi that you respect, if you dont have one then just follow the mishna berurah.
On the other hand you must have seen the relevant gemoros because you do appreciate how chomur it is...

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Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #94 on: March 21, 2013, 10:15:17 PM »
Really ::)? Do yourself a favor speak to a orthodox rabbi that you respect, if you dont have one then just follow the mishna berurah.
On the other hand you must have seen the relevant gemoros because you do appreciate how chomur it is...

Shulchan Aruch O"C, 89 - 4. הצמא והרעב הרי הם בכלל החולים, אם יש בו יכולת לכוין דעתו, יתפלל, ואם לאו אם רצה אל יתפלל עד שיאכל  וישתה.
 I feel that I fall into this category. As I said I can't muster up the guts - because I am not certain that I fit into it, and the M"B says it's not a chiyuv to eat, ayin sham.

I feel that your response to my comment was malei gaavah.
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #95 on: March 21, 2013, 10:22:12 PM »
I did misspeak - it can't just be you'll daven better. It has to be that the fact that you're hungry makes you not be mechaven.
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #96 on: March 21, 2013, 10:29:10 PM »
I did misspeak - it can't just be you'll daven better. It has to be that the fact that you're hungry makes you not be mechaven.
Better to eat for the sake of davening rather than ...

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #97 on: March 21, 2013, 10:38:14 PM »
Better to eat for the sake of davening rather than ...
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Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #99 on: March 21, 2013, 10:56:57 PM »
Chabad yeshivos all serve (and encourage) mezonos before davening. I'll leave it up to Chabad poskim to explain their position.

Isn't that a Chassidish minhag?
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #100 on: March 21, 2013, 10:58:43 PM »
Isn't that a Chassidish minhag?
Could be, I wouldn't know.
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #101 on: March 21, 2013, 11:04:17 PM »
Though I never quite understood how Romaine is OK?
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #102 on: March 21, 2013, 11:29:59 PM »
I did misspeak - it can't just be you'll daven better. It has to be that the fact that you're hungry makes you not be mechaven.
Your previous comment was better.
 Someone who is very hungry has a din choleh <mechaber>, hence no problem of gaavah, (see m"b there 21 and 24.
(It has nothing to do with kavana, the m'b only mentions the fact that today we are not mechaven as a reason not to be mechayev it)

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Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #103 on: March 21, 2013, 11:35:30 PM »

I feel that your response to my comment was malei gaavah.
I happen to feel that lay people who "Go thrugh sugiyos" and reach halachic conclusions are possibly malei gaava to.
I suggested asking a qualified rov.
I dont know you personally, but I dont like the term "I went through the sugiya once etc." it always sets me off, sorry.

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Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #104 on: March 21, 2013, 11:38:15 PM »
I happen to feel that lay people who "Go thrugh sugiyos" and reach halachic conclusions are possibly malei gaava to.
I suggested asking a qualified rov.
I dont know you personally, but I dont like the term "I went through the sugiya once etc." it always sets me off, sorry.
??? learning the sugyos is the proper way to start learning and understand halacha