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Q: Hi, I searched all over the internet for an active link of the Chase American Airlines credit card and couldn't find one. How did you guys manage to get this card?
A: Ha ha... There's (currently) no co-branded Chase AA credit card, this thread is discussing 'Chase Adverse Action'. As a general rule, AA refers to 'American Airlines', while A/A refers to 'Adverse Action'.

Q: What does Chase A/A look like? Can I do something to prevent that from happening? And once I'm hit, is there anything I can do to get back in the game?
A: To better address all the questions and concerns, we'll divide it in three sections:

1) What Are The Triggers?
2) What Happens?
3) How To Get Back

What Are The Triggers?

Basically, there are two possibilities that might trigger a Chase A/A:
Credit Related Risk
-Opening too many new cards in a short period of time, (even from other banks, and even being added as an additional user is considered as opening a new account, even a spike in your total CL even from being  additional user has been a trigger for many people - Dec 2013);
-A sudden excessive use of your cards;
-Maxing out your available credit limit.
-Buying large amounts of Chase GC (most people didn't have problems but lately some people are getting shut down for this).
Of course, there is no general rule with these things, it mostly varies by your particular credit file and worthiness.

Perk Abuse
-Transferring Ultimate Rewards points to someone else's account other than your spouse or domestic partner;
 both, the sender and the recipient, are at risk of A/A.
-Abuse of the 5% cashback bonus on the AARP card.

What Happens?

Q: What does a Chase A/A look like? How do I know whether I was shut down or not?
A: If you can't access your online account on chase.com, this is not A/A.
    When you encounter such a thing it could be because 1) the website is undergoing maintenance - wait till the site is back up; 2) a sever error - try using
    different browser
; 3) you didn't log in to your account for a while - call the number on the back of your card; 4) a security concern (resulted by a large QuickPay
    transfer or similar - call the number on the back of your card.
    When you get hit by A/A, you'll see a message above your account "Your account is closed and no longer available for use. If you have a balance remaining on the account, please continue to
    make monthly payments by the due date."; your card will no longer work; and within 7 days you'll receive a letter in the mail notifying you of the closure and the reason to it.
Q: Do they close down all my cards or just one?
A: If your shutdown was a result of 'credit related risk', they usually close all your credit card accounts, while with 'perk abusers' they used to shut down all of your cards (April '12), but lately, it is limited to the accounts involved in the abuse.
Q: Do they shut down other accounts such as checking, savings or investment accounts?
A: Lately people are reporting getting their checking account closed when getting A/A'd.
Q: Once my card is closed, can I still access my points?
A: Again there's a difference whats the reason your account was closed. Ironically, if its because of 'credit risk', your points will be forfeited, (and that used to be the case with 'perk abusers' during the April '12 A/A wave), but if its because of 'perk abuse', you'll get a certain amount of time (from 2 to 90 days - as specified on your letter) to transfer or redeem your points.

How To Get Back

Q: Once one was shut down, is there any point of calling  customer service or any other department and try to convince them to reopen the closed accounts?
A: If your account was closed due to 'perk abuse' there is -almost- no way to convince them to reopen it (unless there was an error, and you really didn't commit any violations of the
     terms and conditions).
     But if your account was closed for credit related reasons, you might have luck by calling the executive dept. 1888-622-7547 and trying to explain them why it might've looked like your at risk of default, but in fact, there is nothing to worry about. But of course YMMV with this.
Q: Can I apply for a new credit card after my accounts were closed?
A: Yes. There are a multiple reports of people being approved for a new Chase card after waiting a few months and applying again. But some were not that lucky, and some had their new accounts closed a few days after approval.
« Last edited by Iz on March 22, 2017, 11:26:51 PM »

Poll

Have You Been A/A'ed?

Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received 1 Cent Per Point :(
10 (1.6%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received Nothing For My Points >:(
62 (10%)
No (Bli Ayin Horah)
455 (73.4%)
I Was Shut Down But Was Able To Get Reopened After Appeal
24 (3.9%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down But Was Able To Transfer Points To Miles
69 (11.1%)

Total Members Voted: 618

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #6820 on: April 27, 2018, 01:36:36 PM »
Yes
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Yikes. Ive been doing that for over a year now!  I better stop then.
I only pay a small portion of my CC bills with a check. Is that still a problem?
Paying my bill with cash is fine im assuming?


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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #6821 on: April 27, 2018, 01:54:51 PM »
Dear CM,
You are approved with a CL of 5k. Hope you meet spend and receive your SUB bonus before we shut you down again. Please don't take this personally.
Sincerely,
Chase
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #6822 on: April 27, 2018, 01:57:08 PM »
Still no card.  >:(
They are probably printing the AA letters. They like when they arrive a day apart.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #6823 on: April 27, 2018, 01:58:30 PM »
They are probably printing the AA letters. They like when they arrive a day apart.
>:( >:( >:(
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #6824 on: May 01, 2018, 09:03:23 AM »
Applied for Marriott business card. I received a letter asking for bank statement, proof of business name and proof of ID number (or something like that). It was signed by the Fraud Department. Obviously I don’t have most of the support they are looking for. Does this mean I am now on their radar for AA? Should I send in what I have with a letter explaining or just let it die?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #6825 on: May 01, 2018, 09:48:48 AM »
Applied for Marriott business card. I received a letter asking for bank statement, proof of business name and proof of ID number (or something like that). It was signed by the Fraud Department. Obviously I don’t have most of the support they are looking for. Does this mean I am now on their radar for AA? Should I send in what I have with a letter explaining or just let it die?
Send in what you have, if you applied as a Sole Proprietorship then the business name should to be your name and you shouldn't have to send in proof of business.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #6826 on: May 01, 2018, 12:19:52 PM »
Still no card.  >:(
Guess what came in my mail today?  :)
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #6827 on: May 01, 2018, 12:21:15 PM »

Guess what came in my mail today?  :)



...... the AA letters. They like when they arrive a day apart.
? :)
Any update on your Hyatt SUB?
Was this card 2 or 3?
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #6828 on: May 01, 2018, 01:14:05 PM »

? :)
Any update on your Hyatt SUB?
Was this card 2 or 3?
Hyatt done and SUB posted.
Card 2 and card 3 will be Ink Business.
What is the spend for Marriott business, 3k?
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #6829 on: May 01, 2018, 02:17:12 PM »
Guess what came in my mail today?  :)
Finally!
Hyatt done and SUB posted.
Card 2 and card 3 will be Ink Business.
What is the spend for Marriott business, 3k?
I think 2k.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #6830 on: May 01, 2018, 02:32:04 PM »
"After a review of your accounts we have decided to no longer continue doing business" Ive tried multiple departments and this is the info I keep getting over and over and over. Am I done for? I cant get anyone to take a second look at the account.

I spewed out the 30 days Equal credit opportunity act spiel and got nowhere.

Arbitration?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #6831 on: May 01, 2018, 02:34:24 PM »
"After a review of your accounts we have decided to no longer continue doing business" Ive tried multiple departments and this is the info I keep getting over and over and over. Am I done for? I cant get anyone to take a second look at the account.

I spewed out the 30 days Equal credit opportunity act spiel and got nowhere.

Arbitration?
I believe you must request a reason In writing within 60 days. Make sure to use certified mail.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #6832 on: May 01, 2018, 02:35:10 PM »
"After a review of your accounts we have decided to no longer continue doing business"
Is that the only reason you received in writing?
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #6833 on: May 01, 2018, 02:35:50 PM »
I believe you must request a reason In writing within 60 days. Make sure to use certified mail.
Why does he have to request a reason?
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #6834 on: May 01, 2018, 02:48:38 PM »
Is that the only reason you received in writing?

Yes, and only reason they will give.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #6835 on: May 01, 2018, 02:54:32 PM »
Why does he have to request a reason?
According to §1002.9(a)(1)
What's required is
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A statement of specific reasons for the action taken; or

A disclosure of the applicant's right to a statement of specific reasons within 30 days, if the statement is requested within 60 days of the creditor's notification. The disclosure shall include the name, address, and telephone number of the person or office from which the statement of reasons can be obtained. If the creditor chooses to provide the reasons orally, the creditor shall also disclose the applicant's right to have them confirmed in writing within 30 days of receiving the applicant's written request for confirmation.

That discloser is given at time of approval.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #6836 on: May 01, 2018, 02:55:18 PM »
Is that the only reason you received in writing?
IINM reasons may be given in any form
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #6837 on: May 01, 2018, 02:59:17 PM »
According to §1002.9(a)(1)
What's required is That discloser is given at time of approval.
That is for CFPB. I am talking about a FRCA violation and taking them to arbitration for that violation. AFAIK they are required to give a reason without asking. You can ask for further clarification but I wouldn't. 
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #6838 on: May 01, 2018, 03:04:19 PM »


That is for CFPB. I am talking about a FRCA violation and taking them to arbitration for that violation. AFAIK they are required to give a reason without asking. You can ask for further clarification but I wouldn't.

Here is the exact quote from the ECOA
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Content of Notification When Adverse Action is Taken — 12
CFR § 1002.9(a)(2)
A notification given to an applicant when adverse action is
taken shall be in writing and shall contain a statement of the
action taken; the name and address of the creditor; a statement
of the provisions of section 701(a) of the ECOA; the name and
address of the Federal agency that administers compliance
with respect to the creditor; and either:
• A statement of specific reasons for the action taken;
(§ 1002.9(a)(2)(i)) or
• A disclosure of the applicant's right to a statement of
specific reasons within 30 days, if the statement is
requested within 60 days of the creditor's notification.
The disclosure shall include the name, address, and
telephone number of the person or office from which
the statement of reasons can be obtained. If the
creditor chooses to provide the reasons orally, the
creditor shall also disclose the applicant's right to
have them confirmed in writing within 30 days of
receiving the applicant's written request for
confirmation. (§ 1002.9(a)(2)(ii))
I think it's pretty clear.
And can you explain what you mean the difference between "for the CFPB" and "FCRA violation"?
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #6839 on: May 01, 2018, 03:11:24 PM »
Here is the exact quote from the ECOAI think it's pretty clear.
And can you explain what you mean the difference between "for the CFPB" and "FCRA violation"?
You need to look at the FCRA to see what it says. If you take them to arbitration it will be for violating what it says in FRCA.
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