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Author Topic: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions  (Read 118841 times)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2130 on: April 20, 2017, 09:57:20 PM »

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2131 on: April 20, 2017, 10:00:21 PM »
For some reason my subscribe & save items always arrive on shabbos/yom tov. I hope I don't need to drop S&S.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2132 on: April 20, 2017, 10:01:10 PM »
For some reason my subscribe & save items always arrive on shabbos/yom tov. I hope I don't need to drop S&S.
I think you can change the delivery date

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2133 on: April 20, 2017, 10:02:23 PM »
I think you can change the delivery date
I always make it the earliest possible date. I don't think it arrives on that date anyhow.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2134 on: April 20, 2017, 10:04:17 PM »
I always make it the earliest possible date. I don't think it arrives on that date anyhow.
If you set a delivery date that is not shabbos, but they deliver it earlier, I don't see how there is an issur. You specifically asked the goy not to deliver on shabbos, and he decided, for his convenience, to do it anyway

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and tiffeh (טיפע - deep) Questions
« Reply #2135 on: April 20, 2017, 10:10:03 PM »
Yiddish/yeshivish for deep
Could have just given me the spelling: טיפע.

But as pointed out here tiffeh might be a more appropriate transliteration.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2136 on: April 21, 2017, 03:48:58 AM »
For some reason my subscribe & save items always arrive on shabbos/yom tov. I hope I don't need to drop S&S.
Mine too. My scheduled date is the 24th, I'd bet money that it'll come shabbos. Don't see how that's my problem, amazon does that for their own cheshbon

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2137 on: April 21, 2017, 02:37:53 PM »
is it mutar to buy something on amazon prime that you know for sure will come on shabbos?
so it sounds like the esteemed DDF rabbonim are of the opinion that it is assur.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2138 on: April 21, 2017, 02:50:31 PM »
so it sounds like the esteemed DDF rabbonim are of the opinion that it is assur.
Is it different than mailing something knowing it'll arrive on shabbos ?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2139 on: April 21, 2017, 04:02:22 PM »
is it mutar to buy something on amazon prime that you know for sure will come on shabbos?
Answer by Rabbi Yosef Braun, member of the Badatz of Crown Heights:

Amirah l’nachri (telling a non-Jew [to perform prohibited work on Shabbos]) is an issur d’Rabbanan (restricted by Rabbinic decree) and is forbidden, unless there are specific extenuating circumstances.

Being kovea melachto (contracting his work) on a weekday to take place on Shabbos is an aspect of this issur.

In today’s age of internet orders and a host of shipping options, purchases can be delivered to our homes on any day of the week—and also on Shabbos. If the seller ships an item and it is delivered on Shabbos, is this considered amirah l’nachri?

1. Overnighted packages that will definitely arrive on Shabbos are a halachic issue. A possible heter (dispensation) applies when ordering from an e-commerce site, since in most cases the item is not being shipped directly from the seller, but through a third party. This is considered amirah d’amirah (lit., twice-over telling, i.e., one non-Jew relays instructions to another non-Jew) in which case there is more room for leniency, according to some opinions.

Some of the circumstances in carrier shipping that may also ameliorate the issur: The instructions for shipping were given before Shabbos and the workers handling the packages on Shabbos are not aware that the customer is a Jew.

Whatever the rationale, all agree that this heter applies only in desperate situations. Since the details of this heter are so complex and subject to dispute—and judging the urgency of any given circumstance requires an objective view—a Rav should be consulted on a case by case basis.

2. Regular shipping options usually include a span of possible delivery days, so that a Shabbos delivery is only one of a few possibilities. Even when choosing “expedited shipping”, there is no guarantee that the delivery will be made on Shabbos. Many online sellers provide disclaimers about express delivery “based on availability” or limited to “business days.” Even with regard to expected “2-day shipping,” there is always another possible date of delivery (Friday or Sunday). In these cases, there is also room for leniency.

(There is a debate among contemporary Rabbanim concerning a heter for sending a package via express mail or ordering express (weekday) deliveries that entail Shabbos work for the shipping company, with its own reasoning, beyond the scope of this discussion.)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2140 on: April 21, 2017, 04:56:04 PM »
Answer by Rabbi Yosef Braun, member of the Badatz of Crown Heights:

Amirah l’nachri (telling a non-Jew [to perform prohibited work on Shabbos]) is an issur d’Rabbanan (restricted by Rabbinic decree) and is forbidden, unless there are specific extenuating circumstances.

Being kovea melachto (contracting his work) on a weekday to take place on Shabbos is an aspect of this issur.

In today’s age of internet orders and a host of shipping options, purchases can be delivered to our homes on any day of the week—and also on Shabbos. If the seller ships an item and it is delivered on Shabbos, is this considered amirah l’nachri?

1. Overnighted packages that will definitely arrive on Shabbos are a halachic issue. A possible heter (dispensation) applies when ordering from an e-commerce site, since in most cases the item is not being shipped directly from the seller, but through a third party. This is considered amirah d’amirah (lit., twice-over telling, i.e., one non-Jew relays instructions to another non-Jew) in which case there is more room for leniency, according to some opinions.

Some of the circumstances in carrier shipping that may also ameliorate the issur: The instructions for shipping were given before Shabbos and the workers handling the packages on Shabbos are not aware that the customer is a Jew.

Whatever the rationale, all agree that this heter applies only in desperate situations. Since the details of this heter are so complex and subject to dispute—and judging the urgency of any given circumstance requires an objective view—a Rav should be consulted on a case by case basis.

2. Regular shipping options usually include a span of possible delivery days, so that a Shabbos delivery is only one of a few possibilities. Even when choosing “expedited shipping”, there is no guarantee that the delivery will be made on Shabbos. Many online sellers provide disclaimers about express delivery “based on availability” or limited to “business days.” Even with regard to expected “2-day shipping,” there is always another possible date of delivery (Friday or Sunday). In these cases, there is also room for leniency.

(There is a debate among contemporary Rabbanim concerning a heter for sending a package via express mail or ordering express (weekday) deliveries that entail Shabbos work for the shipping company, with its own reasoning, beyond the scope of this discussion.)
Pretty clear that it's assur.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2141 on: April 21, 2017, 04:59:03 PM »
Pretty clear that it's assur.
Pretty clear that it shouldn't be done...

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2142 on: April 22, 2017, 11:40:02 PM »
Does anyone know the halacha in regards to if you are allowed to put contacts into solution (in the small case) on Shabbos?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2143 on: April 23, 2017, 12:12:39 AM »
Does anyone know the halacha in regards to if you are allowed to put contacts into solution (in the small case) on Shabbos?
there are differing opinions some of which are based on incorrect understanding of the facts. AYLOR
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2144 on: April 23, 2017, 12:31:01 AM »
there are differing opinions some of which are based on incorrect understanding of the facts. AYLOR
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