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Author Topic: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions  (Read 950973 times)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2300 on: June 26, 2017, 02:37:55 PM »
I cant answer about a specific case, but it is possible that these stands have direct involvement from the brand. They definitely have a very exclusive contract which is enforced by the brand. This is not the case for a random ice cream shop.
Same would go for a franchise where the the stores are required to get a specific brand.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2301 on: June 26, 2017, 02:40:20 PM »
Same would go for a franchise where the the stores are required to get a specific brand.
Yes and that is what people rely upon when buying slurpees. Each case would need to be figured out how much one may rely on this. AYLOR.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2302 on: June 26, 2017, 03:18:41 PM »
YES. That is NOT a hechsher on the store AT ALL but a hechsher on TURKEY HILL!
Just spoke with a senior at OU. Unfortunately, since the hechsher just states that turkey hill is kosher, there is nothing they can do since that part is correct. He will follow up with the legal department there to see if there are any other channels to use to help.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2303 on: June 26, 2017, 03:44:42 PM »
Just spoke with a senior at OU. Unfortunately, since the hechsher just states that turkey hill is kosher, there is nothing they can do since that part is correct. He will follow up with the legal department there to see if there are any other channels to use to help.
I have seen LOCs which specify that it is not valid on any store if this is displayed in a store please call the ou or whichever hechsher it was.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2304 on: June 26, 2017, 04:19:16 PM »
I had the same issue with soft serve in the cafeteria at my office. The ice cream is kosher, but there's no one to certify that they never put anything else in the machine, or to ensure that it's not cleaned in a way that would treif it up.
Why is that not a problem is a non kosher store which sells treif or non kosher food don't they clean all the equipment together? And the same dishwashers? (the spoon the glass bowl where the black coffee sits and for those who get from starbucks a latte or the sort where they use a metal cup and metal spoon all while hot and then use the same smattas(rags) to clean the equipment as they use to clean the counters where the ham and bayken is? 
 Being that it's black coffee is a nice thing and it's kosher but every other aspect to it seems treif? 
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2305 on: June 26, 2017, 04:37:35 PM »
Why is that not a problem is a non kosher store which sells treif or non kosher food don't they clean all the equipment together? And the same dishwashers? (the spoon the glass bowl where the black coffee sits and for those who get from starbucks a latte or the sort where they use a metal cup and metal spoon all while hot and then use the same smattas(rags) to clean the equipment as they use to clean the counters where the ham and bayken is? 
 Being that it's black coffee is a nice thing and it's kosher but every other aspect to it seems treif? 
Yes those things can be an issue. See the CRC article about buying coffee in Starbucks.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2306 on: June 26, 2017, 04:39:00 PM »
Yes those things can be an issue. See the CRC article about buying coffee in Starbucks.
Sorry to bother, but do you have the link by any chance? 
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2307 on: June 26, 2017, 05:25:55 PM »
Sorry to bother, but do you have the link by any chance?
http://www.crcweb.org/starbucks_overview.php

There is a link in there with the detailed info.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2308 on: June 26, 2017, 05:36:53 PM »
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2309 on: June 26, 2017, 11:35:34 PM »
Same would go for a franchise where the the stores are required to get a specific brand.
I was involved with a company who had an exclusive contract with a very large donut shop franchise. In conversation with QA turns out that they suspect up to 30% of product used is in breach of contract based on QA audits and fines. Essentially she said that though the franchise may get fined, if they run low on a holiday weekend or the like when they cannot get more approved product,then they will take a chance and use unapproved product.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2310 on: June 26, 2017, 11:47:07 PM »
my 2 cents -
1) Baskin Robbins is certified by Star-K for all but 1 (recently 2) flavors. which means they trust the protocol of washing the scoop sufficiently, or it's not really treif, just has treife gelatin in the marshmallows or whatever.
2) Same is true for Stone Cold Creamery, IIRC (but it's been years.
3) Krispy Kreme doughnut mix is all certified. its mixed with water and fried in each store separately.  Obviously, the oil would have to be kosher. there are a number of stores with local certification in the LA area and elsewhere. (agav, a fun place to take kids, really cool conveyer belt through the deep frier / glazer etc., Also really good doughnuts).

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2311 on: June 27, 2017, 09:59:47 AM »
my 2 cents -
1) Baskin Robbins is certified by Star-K

HUH???
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ETA: Ah, you mean Star-D. But again, call Star-K and ask if you can buy the products from a franchise and see what they say.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2312 on: June 27, 2017, 10:04:52 AM »
See here for the cRc (Chicago) policy.

cRc: Ice Cream Policy
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2313 on: June 27, 2017, 11:40:06 AM »
I was involved with a company who had an exclusive contract with a very large donut shop franchise. In conversation with QA turns out that they suspect up to 30% of product used is in breach of contract based on QA audits and fines. Essentially she said that though the franchise may get fined, if they run low on a holiday weekend or the like when they cannot get more approved product,then they will take a chance and use unapproved product.
So are you saying that people should not buy Slurpee's from 7-11? You work for the OU, right?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2314 on: June 27, 2017, 04:32:54 PM »
So are you saying that people should not buy Slurpee's from 7-11?
I'm not saying it's ASSUR. That for your Rabbi to answer. The story is merely anecdotal and indicates poor QA on the part of the company. But how is a consumer to know? I'm saying it's prudent to check the box of syrup behind/downstairs. One of the items we have mashgichim check on regular visits is that the syrup in a box matches up with the item being sold. (If the item does not match up, off brand, wrong flavor, etc. then you may have a kashrus problem on your hands even if that particular box of is kosher)
You work for the OU, right?
I don't currently work for the OU

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2315 on: June 27, 2017, 05:48:30 PM »
I'm not saying it's ASSUR. That for your Rabbi to answer. The story is merely anecdotal and indicates poor QA on the part of the company. But how is a consumer to know? I'm saying it's prudent to check the box of syrup behind/downstairs. One of the items we have mashgichim check on regular visits is that the syrup in a box matches up with the item being sold. (If the item does not match up, off brand, wrong flavor, etc. then you may have a kashrus problem on your hands even if that particular box of is kosher)I don't currently work for the OU
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2316 on: June 27, 2017, 06:22:09 PM »
So are you saying that people should not buy Slurpee's from 7-11? You work for the OU, right?
There was a whole article from the ou regarding slurpees why they shouldn't be a problem, as there are some flavors which are not kosher and then there are flavors which are kosher being placed into the same machine,they were saying something to the effect that the amount of slurpee the machine can hold and the time frame of how long it holds that flavor and being that it's cold...
 Also they mentioned for a 7-11 to put a knock off flavor almost fissure one who drinks slurpees often enough would be able to tell in a second, and they wouldn't want to be caught doing that, whether one was ok to drink this flavor being that the ingredients were ok but in the knockoff having some ingredients which were not ok.
 Don't remember where the article is, but if it find it will try to post the link.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2317 on: June 27, 2017, 09:59:33 PM »
HUH???
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ETA: Ah, you mean Star-D. But again, call Star-K and ask if you can buy the products from a franchise and see what they say.
Always wondered why they have a separate hechsher, I guess for you
See here for the cRc (Chicago) policy.

cRc: Ice Cream Policy
Bad link. But the letter clearly covers stores (Baskin Robbins)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2318 on: June 30, 2017, 12:00:55 PM »
Pardon if this was posted already, but I thought this was interesting analysis of Starbucks, Bittul and Nosen Taam Lifgam.

http://www.crcweb.org/Starbucks%20cRc%20Full%20Article%20April%202011.pdf


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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #2319 on: June 30, 2017, 03:13:10 PM »
Pardon if this was posted already, but I thought this was interesting analysis of Starbucks, Bittul and Nosen Taam Lifgam.

http://www.crcweb.org/Starbucks%20cRc%20Full%20Article%20April%202011.pdf
Nice article, thanks.
 Will read it when I get some time.
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