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Re: Shlichus Addiction?
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2012, 01:35:01 PM »
Is this a solution to our system? http://collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=21053&alias=who-is-worrying-for-our-children
I don't agree with many of his points, but the premise that tuition is stifling cannot be argued and is an embarrassment.
That a zal (where you learn with a chavrusa for 90%+ of the day) should charge $20,000 is a downright abomination.
But I don't need a handout from merkaz, I want accountability for that kind of tuition.

If smicha programs can make a go of not charging tuition based on learning with the community for a small part of the day then why not a zal as well?
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Re: Shlichus Addiction?
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2012, 01:49:27 PM »
http://www.crownheights.info/index.php?itemid=39112

 or Antarctica.



I went to Vilnius and it still didn't work ... so there's no guarantees....

as a person that was burned on shlichus, (disclaimer: it's was an amazing opp. and would never take it back!) the main issue is money, and unfortunately even if a shliach has money today, who know what will tomorrow. i know someone that is a shliach and works under someone and he told me last year that he can count how many guys are working under a shliach and still are there after 5 years.

Today this shliach is already not working by his boss anymore...no money. His boss was able to pay for 6-7 years, but family got bigger etc and the boss couldn't pay....

sad but true...

So is there no hope?

either you are family, or you MUST BE independent in some way. HAve some programs that you get money for, have ability for fundraising yourself....

AND PS.... shlichus is wherever you are it's an attitude not a location!
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Re: Shlichus Addiction?
« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2012, 11:13:18 PM »
AND PS.... shlichus is wherever you are it's an attitude not a location!
+1
The Rebbe emphasized this constantly.
And, if you look at the generation of people currently ~50, there are many who wanted to go on Shlichus, and can certainly be regarded as "Shlichus material", and the Rebbe told them to go into business, and that would be their Shlichus.
Hearing a Shliach farbreng with the Bochurim is usually different than hearing the same Shliach farbreng with Yungeleit.
I have attended many farbrengens, where the Shluchim farbreng with Yungeleit about making their job a Shlichus.

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Re: Shlichus Addiction?
« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2012, 12:24:01 AM »

either you are family


and even that is no guarantee of parnassah...

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Re: Shlichus Addiction?
« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2012, 11:07:48 AM »

AND PS.... shlichus is wherever you are it's an attitude not a location!

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Re: Shlichus Addiction?
« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2012, 11:22:23 AM »
and even that is no guarantee of parnassah...

it's a guarentee you'll be taken care of just like the boss....

i've been there...
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Re: Shlichus Addiction?
« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2012, 11:23:09 AM »


AND PS.... shlichus is wherever you, are it's an attitude, not  latitude!

FTFM :) i like the rhyme :)
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Re: Shlichus Addiction?
« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2012, 11:46:38 AM »
I don't agree with many of his points, but the premise that tuition is stifling cannot be argued and is an embarrassment.
That a zal (where you learn with a chavrusa for 90%+ of the day) should charge $20,000 is a downright abomination.
But I don't need a handout from merkaz, I want accountability for that kind of tuition.

If smicha programs can make a go of not charging tuition based on learning with the community for a small part of the day then why not a zal as well?
+1 disagreed with almost every conclusion he came to. Good points however about the ridiculous cost of tuition and the need to take financial responsibility for your own family.

Shlichus may be a broken system but it is certainly not the cause of financial difficulties within CH

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Re: Shlichus Addiction?
« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2012, 01:01:07 AM »
http://www.crownheights.info/index.php?itemid=39112

Personally I agree with the Op-Ed.  Chabad yeshivas glorify something that is simply not attainable anymore unless you marry a head shliach's daughter, are gezhe/ultra-wealthy/very well connected, or are willing to go on shlichus to a 2-bit college campus or Antarctica.

And I agree with the author's assertion that b/c of the shlichus or bust indoctrination over 8 years in the chabad system that the vast majority who don't go on shlichus put too much focus on the gashmius because they'll never be looked up to in ruchnius as they're not shluchim. 
Or else they focus on how many ways to live off the government while waiting for years in crown heights dreaming that the perfect shlichus spot will magically appear.

As the author says, why didn't we ever hear a businessperson farbreng or even just talk to us for a few minutes while in yeshiva?

Disagree?  Let's hear it!

+1

I thought maybe you would also post advice for those that are already stuck :(

Btw, Thanks for all the help of your website!

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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2014, 01:24:48 AM »
Ain't saying much.
State of chabad mesivtas today if you want english is pathetic.

Maybe they can clone the 9th grade rebbe in PIT for the rest of the grades there and get a real english program...
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Re: Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2014, 01:29:04 AM »
Ain't saying much.
State of chabad mesivtas today if you want english is pathetic.

Maybe they can clone the 9th grade rebbe in PIT for the rest of the grades there and get a real english program...

Not all though. Chicago and Toronto are fairly impressive.

 Why would a 'real english program' have anything to do with a good mesivta?

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Re: Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2014, 01:32:21 AM »
Because in case you didn't realize there ain't no more shlichus spots open.

If you want a shot at a real career you need a good english background. Otherwise they'll prob join the rest of the farmers...
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Re: Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2014, 01:38:05 AM »
I came with the incredible group of guys from Chicago in '01 that turned around the zal there.
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The turn-around started in '98 when the few "locals" who were still frum and in yeshivah were quite chasidish + there was a good group of guys who came in.
In '99 Rabbi Shapiro came which I believe was another major step forward.

This whole group left after '99, I don't really know what happened between then and when you came, but I guess everyone from those days was replaced with a new crop of "locals"

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Re: Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2014, 01:39:54 AM »
If you want a shot at a real career you need a good english background.
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Re: Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2014, 01:39:57 AM »
Ain't saying much.
State of chabad mesivtas today if you want english is pathetic.
Maybe they can clone the 9th grade rebbe in PIT for the rest of the grades there and get a real english program...
+1
that's a great compliment for a mesivta rebbe :)  especially considering it's a transitional,
yet pivotal age of growth and crucial transformation; even more so in this decade.
    How many clones?

Not all though. Chicago and Toronto are fairly impressive.
Why would a 'real english program' have anything to do with a good mesivta?
Having a high school diploma is something that the Rebbe encouraged in many cases.

A lot of the classes are taught/can be taught from the perspective of these topics are Aibeshter --
Also creates a positive environment, elevates the world for Moshiach, and portrays Kiddush Hashem in many areas.. 
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