Shlichus Addiction?

[Yehuda57]

Isn't like the whole point of chassidus that you can be a simple farmer and still be a chossid and a tzaddik, unlike the loony litvaks where being a talmid chochom was only accessible to the elite?

Or: isn't like the whole point of shlichus that you go out wherever you are needed and treat every yid with Ahavas Yisroel, even if they are not frum and look nothing like you - and (gasp!) even if they look exactly like you.

[chinagel]

Isn't like the whole point of chassidus that you can be a simple farmer and still be a chossid and a tzaddik, unlike the loony litvaks where being a talmid chochom was only accessible to the elite?

v'lo am haaretz chosid is a mishna iinm

[henche]

v'lo am haaretz chosid is a mishna iinm

The mishna is using the word in a different meaning. 

[chinagel]

The mishna is using the word in a different meaning.

which word? AH or chosid

[henche]

which word? AH or chosid

Chosid.  The mishna was written over a thousand years before the Baal Shem Tov.  The "chassidim harishonim" in the mishna in brachos were not the maggid of mezeritch.  There is no reason to believe they would have felt more at home in Lubavitch than in Vilna. 

[ExGingi]

The mishna is using the word in a different meaning.

See here and here.

[Ergel]

In both this comment and my previous one I did not get into what are the actual appropriate levels of טהרת הקודש, neither for our mosdos nor for college education.

Again, sorry for the ignorance, but what does taharas hakodesh mean in this context?

[gozalim]

Again, sorry for the ignorance, but what does taharas hakodesh mean in this context?

keeping schools/yeshivas free of (excessive, or any) secular studies, avoiding (where possible? almost everyone?) college education

[henche]

Again, sorry for the ignorance, but what does taharas hakodesh mean in this context?

Not sure,  but I've gathered from the discussion on the last few pages that its a chosson teacher.

[churnbabychurn]

keeping schools/yeshivas free of (excessive, or any) secular studies, avoiding (where possible? almost everyone?) college education

My uneducated guess is that the reason chabadskers struggle so much with this directive, is because it is contradicted by the general chabbad directive to "get out there and mingle"...

In beney berak for eg, there is no such contradiction. Educational institutions are dedicated only to Torah study, preparing students for a life dedicated to Torah study. It's simple.

[aygart]

My uneducated guess is that the reason chabadskers struggle so much with this directive, is because it is contradicted by the general chabbad directive to "get out there and mingle"...

In beney berak for eg, there is no such contradiction. Educational institutions are dedicated only to Torah study, preparing students for a life dedicated to Torah study. It's simple.

All that means is to find a proper balance.

[Yehuda57]

All that means is to find a proper balance.

Walking a tightrope over the Grand Canyon is easy. All it needs is finding a proper balance.

[farmbochur]

Yup, and going to a mesivta like PIT sets one up for failure. No appreciation for hashem, his torah, or the awareness that אין עוד מלבדו.
Because other mesivtas and Zal only have 100% unadulterated לימוד תורה.

Having gone to pit, do you feel that you were on the same level of learning as your classmates when you entered LA? I definitely wasn't. Given the lackluster secular curriculum at pit (and most other chabad mesivtas offering secular edu), is it really worth forgoing a serious סדר גרסא (instead of just 40 min with הרב) so you can draw maps with Mr J and talk football with Mr ski?

With the options practically available, I don't think getting a GED post smicha plus you that far behind (if at all) a chabad high school graduate.

[Dan]

Having gone to pit, do you feel that you were on the same level of learning as your classmates when you entered LA? I definitely wasn't. And given the lackluster secular curriculum at pit (and most other chabad mesivtas offering secular edu), is it really worth forgoing the a serious סדר גרסא (instead of just 40 min with הרב) so you can draw maps with Mr J and talk football with Mr ski?

Now we're getting to the meat of the matter. Some years we had great teachers and rabbeim, other years we didn't. Harav and Rabbi Green were great, though the latter was long gone when you were around.

But yes, I do have a problem with the lackluster curriculum. There's no reason it has to be that way and if there are no better solutions to the issue within 5 years from now maybe I'll do something about that myself.

It took some time in LA, but did catch up with the "Chicago guys" who had a very strong l"k background within a few months there.

I don't think that I'd have a 3.98 mba gpa without having gone to pit, but who knows.

[farmbochur]

There's no reason it has to be that way and if there are no better solutions to the issue within 5 years from now maybe I'll do something about that myself.

Waiting with bated breath

[chinagel]

Chosid.  The mishna was written over a thousand years before the Baal Shem Tov.  The "chassidim harishonim" in the mishna in brachos were not the maggid of mezeritch.  There is no reason to believe they would have felt more at home in Lubavitch than in Vilna.

i did not realize when you said this

Isn't like the whole point of chassidus that you can be a simple farmer and still be a chossid and a tzaddik, unlike the loony litvaks where being a talmid chochom was only accessible to the elite?

you meant the modern day chosid

[churnbabychurn]

Isn't like the whole point of chassidus that you can be a simple farmer and still be a chossid and a tzaddik, unlike the loony litvaks where being a talmid chochom was only accessible to the elite?

Becoming a talmud chochom is accessible to all.
Hillel mechayev aniyim, r Eliezer mechayev ashirim

[lechatchileh ariber]

Not sure,  but I've gathered from the discussion on the last few pages that its a chosson teacher.

You been listening to Aaron moss lectures?

[aygart]

Walking a tightrope over the Grand Canyon is easy. All it needs is finding a proper balance.

Finding the right balance for things is never easy, but that is with millions of aspects of life. This may be something which involved more of a fine line  and delicate balance for Lubavitch, but there are other things which other groups have a difficult time finding the precise balance. To make the need for a proper balance into a contradiction is disingenuous.

[henche]

Becoming a talmud chochom is accessible to all.
Hillel mechayev aniyim, r Eliezer mechayev ashirim

Is hillel mechayev everyone to learn torah, or to become a talmid chochom? I'd assume the former.