Shlichus Addiction?

[MeirS]

My uneducated guess is that the reason chabadskers struggle so much with this directive, is because it is contradicted by the general chabbad directive to "get out there and mingle"...

In beney berak for eg, there is no such contradiction. Educational institutions are dedicated only to Torah study, preparing students for a life dedicated to Torah study. It's simple.

Not "to get out there and mingle" but more to balance an educational institute where those less observant will feel welcome and can grow from those more observant while at the same time those more observant don't lose out from being on a lower level.

[Freddie]

Is hillel mechayev everyone to learn torah, or to become a talmid chochom? I'd assume the former.

What's the point of learning if not to become a talmid chacham, right?

[ExGingi]

What's the point of learning if not to become a talmid chacham, right?

Are you being facetious?

The next morning after the גאולה האמיתית והשלימה is here, we're all sitting and learning Torah. Is that in order to become a Talmid Chochom?

[whYME]

The next morning after the גאולה האמיתית והשלימה is here, we're all sitting and learning Torah.

The next morning might be pushing it a bit. we'll probably still be farbrenging

[churnbabychurn]

Becoming a talmud chochom is accessible to all.
Hillel mechayev aniyim, r Eliezer mechayev ashirim

Is hillel mechayev everyone to learn torah, or to become a talmid chochom? I'd assume the former.

Logically, Hillel would obligate one in his similar financial situation to reach his maximum spiritual potential just as Hillel did. -That would definitely qualify a title talmid chochom.

(Not to say that one would actually be Hilllel... - R naftali Amsterdam to R Yisroel Salanter one purim: "if only I had the middos of Rebbi, the hartz of the yesod veshoresh havoda, and the kop of the shaagas Aryeh. Then I would....."

R Yisroel: " - ניין! מיט דיין הערץ, מיט דין קאף etc.. "

So one can reach high levels of limud hatorah, Hillel and R Elazar exclude financial position as a factor.

What's the point of learning if not to become a talmid chacham, right?

The point of learning torah is learning Torah.

Since orayso vekudsha brich hu Chad, this is how a Jew connects to gd.


There is also a mitzva chiyuvis of yedias hatorah (that at least according to the shulchan oruch harav is a quite literal​ positive obligation upon everyone to know all of the Torah...! iirc he takes a very stringent position on this one)

So naturally one would also strive to become a talmid chacham through said learning. But it is not necessarily one and the same.

Are you being facetious?

The next morning after the גאולה האמיתית והשלימה is here, we're all sitting and learning Torah. Is that in order to become a Talmid Chochom?

Umalah haaretz deah kamayim... It won't even be an "illitist thing". 

[churnbabychurn]

What's the difference between kabalah and chassidus?

Since I'm in a R Yisroel Salanter/mussar mood...

A kabbalist asked R Yisroel, why don't you study kabalah?

His response was that: לי אין נ"מ  באיזה רקיע יושב קודשא בריך הוא... אני רק יודע ומאמין, שכשמגיעם למעלה, מכים בשוט של אש, ומאוד יכאב!

[jj1000]

Since I'm in a R Yisroel Salanter/mussar mood...

A kabbalist asked R Yisroel, why don't you study kabalah?

His response was that: לי אין נ"מ  באיזה רקיע יושב קודשא בריך הוא... אני רק יודע ומאמין, שכשמגיעם למעלה, מכים בשוט של אש, ומאוד יכאב!

Did mekubalim have antiaircraft back then?

[churnbabychurn]

Serious question.

Does exgingi believe in this:  "wake up thanks to brochas of the Rebbe"? Or was that not serious?

Who are you directing your question at?

You also

You are only entitled to question me on statements that I make, not on what people imagine I might say.

Good point. JJ, what do you imagine ExGinigi would respond.

But then he should ask JJ what he thinks you believe.

Just sayin, the statement was vaguely elokistik imho...

It should be clarified

[churnbabychurn]

Did mekubalim have antiaircraft back then?

Dunno, do they today?

[lechatchileh ariber]

Just wondering, since when is school and yeshivah to prepare you for life?

[jj1000]

Dunno, do they today?

I assume that was his point. According to Google.

[Freddie]

Are you being facetious?

You can take it however you want. The comment had the effect it was intended to and on whom it was intended to.

[henche]

I assume that was his point. According to Google.

the way you say antiaircraft in hebrew is nafka mina. Because if you try to shoot a plane with an AK47, there is no nafka mina.  if you want a nafka mina, you need anti aircraft.

[churnbabychurn]

I assume that was his point. According to Google.

I should of known that many here don't speak my language

[ExGingi]

I assume that was his point. According to Google.

LOL.

Reminds me of a job DW got when we were newlyweds to mark high school tests. Since it was done at home, I also did it. Part of the test was writing the words/expression indicated by ראשי-תיבות.

One of the gems I can't forget was ז״ע. I will allow everyone here to try and guess what was the gem that one of the students came up with, before I spill the beans.

[ExGingi]

the way you say antiaircraft in hebrew is nafka mina. Because if you try to shoot a plane with an AK47, there is no nafka mina.  if you want a nafka mina, you need anti aircraft.

No. Nafka mina means get it out of her (referring to the sky), hence נפקא מינה = anti aircraft.

[ExGingi]

Since I'm in a R Yisroel Salanter/mussar mood...

A kabbalist asked R Yisroel, why don't you study kabalah?

His response was that: לי אין נ"מ  באיזה רקיע יושב קודשא בריך הוא... אני רק יודע ומאמין, שכשמגיעם למעלה, מכים בשוט של אש, ומאוד יכאב!

Highly recommended read quite long, but fascinating (if Yiddish is too hard, let me know and I will find a link to the Hebrew translation. I don't know if an English one exists).

http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=31619&st=&pgnum=196

Note to jj: don't try Google translate on this!

[ExGingi]

Highly recommended read quite long, but fascinating (if Yiddish is too hard, let me know and I will find a link to the Hebrew translation. I don't know if an English one exists).

http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=31619&st=&pgnum=196

Note to jj: don't try Google translate on this!

English translation: http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2313034/jewish/Prologue.htm

[thaber]

English translation: http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2313034/jewish/Prologue.htm

I believe this is missing the essential first paragraph.

[ExGingi]

I believe this is missing the essential first paragraph.

Wow. You are a real speed reader. Within 10 minutes you managed to read online the entire thing (Prologue, 11 chapters and appendices) to figure out which paragraph is essential.

That being said, I do notice that the second paragraph of the letter is missing from the English translation. I don't know why it was omitted (though I could quite easily inquire with the translator (Rabbi Neubort) or editor (Rabbi Touger) as to the reason for the omission (knowing those two people, I would guess it is the latter's omission rather than the former). But let's not get carried away with that, rather than the actual story told in the letter.