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Re: Kinnus HaShluchim
« Reply #320 on: November 22, 2017, 01:30:50 PM »
Heh, well that's a speech you won't hear at the official kinus.
At the banquet? No. At the workshops and sessions? Most certainly. Sure, some of what he said wouldn't be said (arguably rightly so), but his overriding point is discussed.

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Re: Kinnus HaShluchim
« Reply #321 on: November 22, 2017, 02:29:16 PM »
At the banquet? No. At the workshops and sessions? Most certainly. Sure, some of what he said wouldn't be said (arguably rightly so), but his overriding point is discussed.

Save me the time that I don't have to actually watch... what is his overriding point?
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Re: Kinnus HaShluchim
« Reply #322 on: November 22, 2017, 02:30:29 PM »
Save me the time that I don't have to actually watch... what is his overriding point?
We need to focus on Moshiach and stop being afraid of it.

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Re: Kinnus HaShluchim
« Reply #323 on: November 22, 2017, 02:37:25 PM »
At the banquet? No. At the workshops and sessions? Most certainly.
We need to focus on Moshiach and stop being afraid of it.
Does this fit the definition of ironic? :P

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Re: Kinnus HaShluchim
« Reply #324 on: November 22, 2017, 02:39:37 PM »
Does this fit the definition of ironic? :P
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Re: Kinnus HaShluchim
« Reply #325 on: November 22, 2017, 02:42:51 PM »
Does this fit the definition of ironic? :P

It's not like they discussed the importance of Mivtzah Tefillin at the banquet either.

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Re: Kinnus HaShluchim
« Reply #326 on: November 22, 2017, 02:51:47 PM »
Therein might lie a problem, not allowing different voices.

Didn't have time to listen to the entire thing, so skimmed through it. Quite a good point made starting at 38:11.
I don't think this is the place and time for such conversation so I'll refrain from comparing it to more extreme situations where you'll agree that allowing different voices at your event isn't always the best thing to do.

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Re: Kinnus HaShluchim
« Reply #327 on: November 22, 2017, 03:18:20 PM »
I don't think this is the place and time for such conversation so I'll refrain from comparing it to more extreme situations where you'll agree that allowing different voices at your event isn't always the best thing to do.
If it were only about the event.

Though truth to be told, it not about the different voices at all, but rather about power and control.
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Re: Kinnus HaShluchim
« Reply #328 on: November 22, 2017, 03:38:41 PM »
If it were only about the event.

Though truth to be told, it not about the different voices at all, but rather about power and control.

So, your point made in the kinus thread about a potential speech at the kinus was not about the kinus, and your point about it being about different voices wasn't actually your point.

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Re: Kinnus HaShluchim
« Reply #329 on: November 22, 2017, 03:42:17 PM »
So, your point made in the kinus thread about a potential speech at the kinus was not about the kinus, and your point about it being about different voices wasn't actually your point.
Doesn't it sound like more fun that way than simply going OT?

Otherwise, I would tell you that I made two statements which are somewhat unrelated. Certain voices are hushed not only at the event, and the fact that there are two events has nothing to do with voices, but rather with power and control.
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Re: Kinnus HaShluchim
« Reply #330 on: November 22, 2017, 03:45:15 PM »


Doesn't it sound like more fun that way than simply going OT?

Otherwise, I would tell you that I made two statements which are somewhat unrelated. Certain voices are hushed not only at the event, and the fact that there are two events has nothing to do with voices, but rather with power and control.

No one besides the people in power and control on either side would disagree.

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Re: Kinnus HaShluchim
« Reply #331 on: November 22, 2017, 03:50:00 PM »

No one besides the people in power and control on either side would disagree.
And those people in power and control, would only disagree in public. They know the truth.

I actually heard that there was a recent meeting between R' M.K. and R' M.H. to try and reach some kind of common ground, but none could be reached over power and control.
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Re: Kinnus HaShluchim
« Reply #332 on: November 22, 2017, 04:00:07 PM »
It's not like they discussed the importance of Mivtzah Tefillin at the banquet either.
I don't believe that's true. (I didn't watch any of the speeches this year, but in past years it's been mentioned many times.)

Regardless if it does happen, are you trying to say a speech about mivtzah Tefillin would be banned the same as a speech about the importance of focusing on moshiach without being afraid would be?
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Re: Kinnus HaShluchim
« Reply #333 on: November 22, 2017, 04:20:31 PM »


I don't believe that's true. (I didn't watch any of the speeches this year, but in past years it's been mentioned many times.)

Regardless if it does happen, are you trying to say a speech about mivtzah Tefillin would be banned the same as a speech about the importance of focusing on moshiach without being afraid would be?

The purpose of the banquet is to energize and pump up the Shluchim. The purpose of the preceeding days is to discuss the what, how and why.

They don't get into policy specifics at the political national conventions, though they will touch on broad concepts.

Sure, they mention tefillin. But they mention Moshiach much more than tefillin at the banquet.

A talk on mivtzah tefillin wouldn't "be banned", it would just wouldn't take place at the banquet. It happens at the sessions. There are many sessions about Moshiach, and many Shluchim have the very same concerns mentioned in the speech.

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Re: Kinnus HaShluchim
« Reply #334 on: November 22, 2017, 04:42:26 PM »

The purpose of the banquet is to energize and pump up the Shluchim. The purpose of the preceeding days is to discuss the what, how and why.

They don't get into policy specifics at the political national conventions, though they will touch on broad concepts.

Sure, they mention tefillin. But they mention Moshiach much more than tefillin at the banquet.

A talk on mivtzah tefillin wouldn't "be banned", it would just wouldn't take place at the banquet. It happens at the sessions. There are many sessions about Moshiach, and many Shluchim have the very same concerns mentioned in the speech.
I'm not really sure if we're actually arguing here or not.
Are you saying that "We need to focus on Moshiach and stop being afraid of it. " is not a taboo subject at the banquet? I didn't mean it literally to "give a speech" about it, but I don't believe making this point in a speech would be allowed the same way making a point about the importance of mivtzah tefillin would be.


And I'm not talking about if it should or shouldn't be allowed, I was just pointing out what seemed to me the irony (is that the right word here? :) ) of it.
At the banquet? No. At the workshops and sessions? Most certainly.
We need to focus on Moshiach and stop being afraid of it.
Does this fit the definition of ironic? :P

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Re: Kinnus HaShluchim
« Reply #335 on: November 22, 2017, 04:49:47 PM »


I'm not really sure if we're actually arguing here or not.
Are you saying that "We need to focus on Moshiach and stop being afraid of it. " is not a taboo subject at the banquet? I didn't mean it literally to "give a speech" about it, but I don't believe making this point in a speech would be allowed the same way making a point about the importance of mivtzah tefillin would be.


And I'm not talking about if it should or shouldn't be allowed, I was just pointing out what seemed to me the irony (is that the right word here? :) ) of it.Does this fit the definition of ironic?

I don't think the subject is taboo. And I don't think my comment was ironic at all. The banquet not being the venue has nothing to do with "fear."

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Re: Kinnus HaShluchim
« Reply #336 on: November 22, 2017, 05:05:22 PM »
I don't think the subject is taboo.
We'll have to agree to disagree.

And I don't think my comment was ironic at all. The banquet not being the venue has nothing to do with "fear."
It's not your comment per se, it's the situation.

Discussing essentially the need to not worry about being overly PC, while the kinus banquet is overly concerned with being PC.

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Re: Kinnus HaShluchim
« Reply #337 on: November 22, 2017, 05:23:50 PM »
And those people in power and control, would only disagree in public. They know the truth.

I actually heard that there was a recent meeting between R' M.K. and R' M.H. to try and reach some kind of common ground, but none could be reached over power and control.

Never happened.

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Re: Kinnus HaShluchim
« Reply #338 on: November 22, 2017, 05:29:08 PM »

No one besides the people in power and control on either side would disagree.

99% of people don't even know what happens at Eishel's convention.

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Re: Kinnus HaShluchim
« Reply #339 on: November 22, 2017, 05:42:05 PM »