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Re: Do Donuts Or Fries From A Meat Restaurant Make You Fleishig?
« Reply #120 on: July 05, 2023, 03:58:07 PM »
@menotyou consider keeping this on hand for the future.

A bit over sweet but it does the job.


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Re: Do Donuts Or Fries From A Meat Restaurant Make You Fleishig?
« Reply #121 on: July 05, 2023, 09:26:42 PM »
@menotyou consider keeping this on hand for the future.

A bit over sweet but it does the job.

CY?

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Re: Do Donuts Or Fries From A Meat Restaurant Make You Fleishig?
« Reply #122 on: July 05, 2023, 09:27:30 PM »
CY?

Non dairy. Their dairy creamer for sure isn't

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Re: Do Donuts Or Fries From A Meat Restaurant Make You Fleishig?
« Reply #123 on: July 05, 2023, 09:28:24 PM »
CY?
You didn't see the Non-dairy huh?
It's supposedly the best non dairy creamer nut I never tried it
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Re: Do Donuts Or Fries From A Meat Restaurant Make You Fleishig?
« Reply #124 on: July 05, 2023, 09:33:21 PM »
You didn't see the Non-dairy huh?
It's supposedly the best non dairy creamer nut I never tried it

Davka the caramel one? I'd try the one without flavors if they make one.

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Re: Do Donuts Or Fries From A Meat Restaurant Make You Fleishig?
« Reply #125 on: July 05, 2023, 09:34:27 PM »
You didn't see the Non-dairy huh?
It's supposedly the best non dairy creamer nut I never tried it
Hazelnut is better and less sweet.
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: Do Donuts Or Fries From A Meat Restaurant Make You Fleishig?
« Reply #126 on: July 05, 2023, 10:06:34 PM »
You didn't see the Non-dairy huh?
It's supposedly the best non dairy creamer nut I never tried it
Non dairy. Their dairy creamer for sure isn't
Some people with thick heads still haven't figured out that there are people who consider DE etc non CY

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Re: Do Donuts Or Fries From A Meat Restaurant Make You Fleishig?
« Reply #127 on: July 05, 2023, 10:15:57 PM »
Some people with thick heads still haven't figured out that there are people who consider DE etc non CY
Last time I checked it had a plain OU symbol no d or DE indications. But I'm happy to have a thick head  ;)
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Re: Do Donuts Or Fries From A Meat Restaurant Make You Fleishig?
« Reply #128 on: July 05, 2023, 11:16:05 PM »
Last time I checked it had a plain OU symbol no d or DE indications. But I'm happy to have a thick head  ;)
And thank you for actually answering the question

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Re: Do Donuts Or Fries From A Meat Restaurant Make You Fleishig?
« Reply #129 on: July 05, 2023, 11:20:37 PM »
And thank you for actually answering the question
I don't drink CS/DE either, but you could've phrased the question in a way that is easier to understand and respond, Instead of asking if a non-dairy creamer is CY ask if it's Pareve
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Re: Do Donuts Or Fries From A Meat Restaurant Make You Fleishig?
« Reply #130 on: July 06, 2023, 09:18:24 AM »
Instead of asking if a non-dairy creamer is CY ask if it's Pareve
But, even if it’s pareve, it may be DE…

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Re: Do Donuts Or Fries From A Meat Restaurant Make You Fleishig?
« Reply #131 on: July 06, 2023, 10:34:39 AM »
But, even if it’s pareve, it may be DE…
CMIIW It would be either OU Pareve or OU DE can it be both ?
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Re: Do Donuts Or Fries From A Meat Restaurant Make You Fleishig?
« Reply #132 on: July 06, 2023, 10:50:13 AM »
I know there is DE but has there ever been a FE or ME on a hechser?

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Re: Do Donuts Or Fries From A Meat Restaurant Make You Fleishig?
« Reply #133 on: July 06, 2023, 12:13:05 PM »
CMIIW It would be either OU Pareve or OU DE can it be both ?

It can be Parve because of נ״ט בנ״ט בהתירא for those ok with CS and still be problematic for those who aren't because נ״ט בנ״ט באיסורא.

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Re: Do Donuts Or Fries From A Meat Restaurant Make You Fleishig?
« Reply #134 on: July 06, 2023, 07:35:50 PM »
Knowing something happens doesn’t mean that you care for it to happen.

The yad Yehuda doesn’t discuss this case Iirc, just explains the pshat in the shach
Getting back to the main topic (mods maybe remove cy/de fight to a different thread 🥱)
The Yad Yehuda (I looked it up inside) is not coming to say a kulah in the Shach rather IF it’s a case where most people would want it removed and he happened not to wash the pot it can be considered non intentional. In case of restaurant they obviously don’t mind the flavor and therefore it still stands that if it is done as a policy, you cannot apply such a heter. There’s no question that klapei fries this is true see up thread re tabernacle, no about the doughnuts there may still be a possibility, but again it is only going to be true if it’s not the normal way to use tainted oil.

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Re: Do Donuts Or Fries From A Meat Restaurant Make You Fleishig?
« Reply #135 on: July 07, 2023, 11:37:55 AM »
Getting back to the main topic (mods maybe remove cy/de fight to a different thread 🥱)
The Yad Yehuda (I looked it up inside) is not coming to say a kulah in the Shach rather IF it’s a case where most people would want it removed and he happened not to wash the pot it can be considered non intentional. In case of restaurant they obviously don’t mind the flavor and therefore it still stands that if it is done as a policy, you cannot apply such a heter. There’s no question that klapei fries this is true see up thread re tabernacle, no about the doughnuts there may still be a possibility, but again it is only going to be true if it’s not the normal way to use tainted oil.
The yad Yehuda straddles both extremes but doesn’t talk about our in between case. אלא מיהא ליכא למישמע מינה

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Re: Do Donuts Or Fries From A Meat Restaurant Make You Fleishig?
« Reply #136 on: July 08, 2023, 11:41:43 PM »
You only need a little more than a plastic cup of dissolved fat
So you need רוב
I am wrong on this because קמא קמא will not help if there is less than 60 times the taam of chicken

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Re: Do Donuts Or Fries From A Meat Restaurant Make You Fleishig?
« Reply #137 on: July 08, 2023, 11:55:04 PM »
I am wrong on this because קמא קמא will not help if there is less than 60 times the taam of chicken
I didn't have a clear source that it would be chozer vneiur to be mamasho and didn't have a chance to look into it.
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Re: Do Donuts Or Fries From A Meat Restaurant Make You Fleishig?
« Reply #138 on: July 10, 2023, 12:06:27 PM »
I know there is DE but has there ever been a FE or ME on a hechser?

I recall seeing an ME once on a kofk soup. I think...
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