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Re: Help search and find a mekor (source for Jewish ideas)
« Reply #220 on: February 27, 2024, 08:52:43 PM »
The source is the Bais Yosef as advised by the magid who appeared to him. Don’t have the exact source offhand

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Re: Help search and find a mekor (source for Jewish ideas)
« Reply #221 on: February 27, 2024, 10:20:05 PM »
The source is the Bais Yosef as advised by the magid who appeared to him. Don’t have the exact source offhand
It was on succos. The beis yosef and others circled the kever rash I with the arba minim and it rained. The Maggie afterward told the beis Yosef that in the future  he should circle the kever Rashbi seven times for any Tzara but It doesn’t appear he meant to use a lulav…

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Re: Help search and find a mekor (source for Jewish ideas)
« Reply #222 on: February 27, 2024, 10:37:03 PM »
See שו״ת מנחת יצחק ח״ח סי׳ נג
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=1600&st=&pgnum=403
Thanks!

Seems to be explaining why it’s not necessarily a problem, but doesn’t quote anything that would indicate it was ever a thing.

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Re: Help search and find a mekor (source for Jewish ideas)
« Reply #223 on: February 27, 2024, 10:54:26 PM »
Thanks!

Seems to be explaining why it’s not necessarily a problem, but doesn’t quote anything that would indicate it was ever a thing.
You skimmed through it a bit too fast...

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Re: Help search and find a mekor (source for Jewish ideas)
« Reply #224 on: February 27, 2024, 11:02:34 PM »
You skimmed through it a bit too fast...
Close, I didn’t realize it goes to the next page.

למעשה he doesn’t have a Mekor for the practice, and we don’t find it was done in the past.

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Re: Help search and find a mekor (source for Jewish ideas)
« Reply #225 on: February 27, 2024, 11:05:41 PM »
Well.. sort of. See .גמרא סוכה לח

שיירי מצוה מעכבין את הפורענות שהרי תנופה שירי מצוה היא ועוצרת רוחות וטללים רעים ואמר רבא וכן בלולב
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Re: Help search and find a mekor (source for Jewish ideas)
« Reply #226 on: February 28, 2024, 12:50:38 AM »

למעשה he doesn’t have a Mekor for the practice, and we don’t find it was done in the past.

Are you looking for a mekor in Rambam or S"A?

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Re: Help search and find a mekor (source for Jewish ideas)
« Reply #227 on: February 28, 2024, 12:54:12 AM »
Thanks!

Seems to be explaining why it’s not necessarily a problem, but doesn’t quote anything that would indicate it was ever a thing.

I found some very interesting sources on chabad.org.
From the 12th century traveler R’ Binyamin Tudela where he writes it was the custom to inscribe your name in the stones of Kever Rachel:

2/3 of the way down the page
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=20762&st=&pgnum=35&hilite=
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Re: Help search and find a mekor (source for Jewish ideas)
« Reply #228 on: February 28, 2024, 07:35:52 AM »
Are you looking for a mekor in Rambam or S"A?
No, any sefer showing that people did this once upon a time will do.

החדש אסור מן התורה ;)

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Re: Help search and find a mekor (source for Jewish ideas)
« Reply #229 on: February 28, 2024, 09:01:52 AM »
No, any sefer showing that people did this once upon a time will do.

החדש אסור מן התורה ;)

Definitely goes back a while, I think there are even photos of kvarim pre war with piles of kvitlach.
 
https://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=21759&st=&pgnum=41&hilite=

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Re: Help search and find a mekor (source for Jewish ideas)
« Reply #230 on: February 28, 2024, 10:38:54 AM »
No, any sefer showing that people did this once upon a time will do.

החדש אסור מן התורה ;)

(See my above post in case it was missed) Also quoted there was from R’ Avraham Palagi where he writes that the Ohr Hachaim gave his student a note with something written on it to put in the Kosel as a segula for parnasah apparently. But I can’t make out all the words. See right before אות טז.

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=20430&st=&pgnum=191&hilite=

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Re: Help search and find a mekor (source for Jewish ideas)
« Reply #231 on: February 28, 2024, 11:36:45 AM »
Close, I didn’t realize it goes to the next page.

למעשה he doesn’t have a Mekor for the practice, and we don’t find it was done in the past.
Depends on how you define "past". He says he's seen תלמידי חכמים ואנשי מעשה do it and he quotes the Maharam Shik who says he saw it, too (unless I also skimmed through it too fast).

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Re: Help search and find a mekor (source for Jewish ideas)
« Reply #232 on: February 28, 2024, 01:04:51 PM »
he quotes the Maharam Shik who says he saw it, too (unless I also skimmed through it too fast).
Yes

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Re: Help search and find a mekor (source for Jewish ideas)
« Reply #233 on: February 28, 2024, 09:56:35 PM »
@imayid2 just bumping up my recent posts because as a new user my replies were not approved before there were new replies. See above.

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Re: Help search and find a mekor (source for Jewish ideas)
« Reply #234 on: February 28, 2024, 10:23:39 PM »
I found some very interesting sources on chabad.org.
From the 12th century traveler R’ Binyamin Tudela where he writes it was the custom to inscribe your name in the stones of Kever Rachel:

2/3 of the way down the page
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=20762&st=&pgnum=35&hilite=
(See my above post in case it was missed) Also quoted there was from R’ Avraham Palagi where he writes that the Ohr Hachaim gave his student a note with something written on it to put in the Kosel as a segula for parnasah apparently. But I can’t make out all the words. See right before אות טז.

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=20430&st=&pgnum=191&hilite=
Very interesting and much appreciated!

Not quite the same as a kvittel which is sort of treating the person as if he’s still alive and accepting kvittlach.