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Law school exams for yeshiva guys 101, by henche
1. Read the story. 
2. Write down all the taynas that anyone might have, and what taynas the other guy might have back, and what the halacha probably is. 
3. Hit "submit"
4. Get a job.
5. Never see your family again!!!!!!!

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Re: Law School
« Reply #30 on: November 08, 2012, 12:25:44 PM »
I'd say it depends on a) which t-14, and b) where you want to practice.

Example: if you get into Duke (with no scholarship), and Fordham with a full ride, and want to practice in NYC, that's a pretty tough question.

If it's t-5 or 6, take it and run.

T-14 is almost necessary if you want federal clerkship. Very little chance out of Fordham, unless your top 10% (even that, there's a remote chance)

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Re: Law School
« Reply #31 on: November 08, 2012, 12:29:26 PM »
1) Not everyone wants to clerk, and 2) it isn't necessary :P
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Re: Law School
« Reply #32 on: November 09, 2012, 02:21:50 AM »
-many of the comments regarding how hard iti is to land a law job are relevant to many professions in this economy. law is singled bec making big law makes it a lot bigger than other professions

-why would law school be worth it for a free ride if the job market is so bad?

-law school applications are down signifcantly, and many schools raised there scholarships- fordham max is now 30k i beleive

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Re: Law School
« Reply #33 on: November 09, 2012, 08:59:13 AM »
-many of the comments regarding how hard iti is to land a law job are relevant to many professions in this economy. law is singled bec making big law makes it a lot bigger than other professions

-why would law school be worth it for a free ride if the job market is so bad?

-law school applications are down signifcantly, and many schools raised there scholarships- fordham max is now 30k i beleive

That one is kinda self explanatory: less risk.
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Re: Law School
« Reply #34 on: January 29, 2013, 11:21:49 PM »
Anyone considering law school should look at these rankings from Above the Law


 Another good read http://abovethelaw.com/2012/02/best-law-schools-for-getting-a-biglaw-job-2012/

Focusing on best law school for jobs in the top 250 firms.



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Re: Law School
« Reply #35 on: February 05, 2013, 06:15:19 PM »

Focusing on best law school for jobs in the top 250 firms.



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Keep in mind that this chart fails to account for students who graduate school and enter directly into a clerkship with a federal judge or state court of last resort. These students, who require superior credentials to obtain a clerkship, often have standing offers to join top firms at the conclusion of their 2 or 3 year clerkship. Thus, for example it would be  misleading to conclude from the numbers in this chart that a Harvard graduate would not fair as well in finding a placement at one of the NLJ 250.

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Re: Law School
« Reply #36 on: February 05, 2013, 06:24:21 PM »
http://www.lstscorereports.com/?r=other&show=jobs
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Keep in mind that this chart fails to account for students who graduate school and enter directly into a clerkship with a federal judge or state court of last resort. These students, who require superior credentials to obtain a clerkship, often have standing offers to join top firms at the conclusion of their 2 or 3 year clerkship. Thus, for example it would be  misleading to conclude from the numbers in this chart that a Harvard graduate would not fair as well in finding a placement at one of the NLJ 250.
Of course. The author of the article I linked to mentioned that

" Many top law schools, such as Yale and Harvard, send sizable numbers of their graduates straight into clerkships. These clerks often wind up at NLJ 250 firms after their clerkships, but they aren’t counted as hits for purposes of this list. So the schools that top this list are often those that land in the “sweet spot” between (1) having enough juice to get their grads Biglaw jobs and (2) not having too many grads go off and clerk. In other words, think of it as a list of law schools that excel at sending their graduates straight into Biglaw, without detour."

Here you can see what percentage of each class goes to federal jobs http://www.lstscorereports.com/?r=other&show=jobs
Click on the federal tab to show the highest ranked in that category.

Also lacking from both these reports is where in the top 250 do the students get jobs. Penn graduates might go to the top 150-250 firms while Harvard/Yale/Columbia graduates go to the top 1-100 firms.
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Re: Law School
« Reply #37 on: February 06, 2013, 10:01:49 AM »
Folks, I'm a lawyer, with my own practice for about 13 years.  My ear is not that close to the ground, but from what I understand, law is more saturated than other professions, costs in excess of $100k to earn, and for even those in the top of the class, a job is not a sure thing.  This past summer a major law firm went bust (may have been earlier).   A Harvard grad had a job there, but it obviously disappeared.  This Harvard grad was unable to find another job.  At all.  Granted, it was late in the game, as Big Law fills its slots in the Winter and Spring, but that is pretty unusual.  A big part of the overall problem was the schools, who promised the moon knowing they couldn't deliver.  It was only recently that their bluff was called and now their collective pants are around their ankles.  I remember being a 1L, and drooling over the first year salaries, then around $125k, that "everyone" got.  Aside from a few, it was fantasy.  But the schools did little to disabuse us of that approach..

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Re: Law School
« Reply #38 on: February 06, 2013, 10:04:46 AM »
what's better a T14 or full ride at say Fordham?

I disagree with some others.  Today, you must manage risk.  I would go to Fordham and score in the top 10%.

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Re: Law School
« Reply #39 on: February 06, 2013, 12:47:06 PM »
I disagree with some others.  Today, you must manage risk.  I would go to Fordham and score in the top 10%.

Why in the top 10%? Why not just be valedictorian while you're at it.

You know everyone who enters intends to be in the top 10%, but only 1 in 10 are.

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Re: Law School
« Reply #40 on: February 06, 2013, 07:31:26 PM »
You know everyone who enters intends to be in the top 1%, but only 1 in 100 is.
+1. FTFY :-)
This past summer a major law firm went bust (may have been earlier).   A Harvard grad had a job there, but it obviously disappeared.  This Harvard grad was unable to find another job.  At all. 
Dewey and LeBoeuf: Sad story. The firm filed for bankruptcy protection in May of last year. I know several 2Ls at CLS that were to have had summer associateships there and found out 1 week before finals that there positions had disappeared. The writing was already on the wall in March when the firm began shedding partners. By April, it was hemorrhaging partners by the dozens to rival firms. Many associates were left in the dust.

Scary thing is that in August, 2011 when the incoming summer class of 2Ls was interviewing, there was no way to know that this was going to go down. Even the partners were in the dark then.

Some of the CLS kids were able to find positions at other firms who graciously took them on to their summer classes despite the late date. I know one who went to Mayer Brown.

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Re: Law School
« Reply #41 on: February 07, 2013, 10:02:06 AM »
I disagree with some others.  Today, you must manage risk.  I would go to Fordham and score in the top 10%.
i would also take the free ride to fordham because even if you are not in the top 10 at least you dont have a crushing debt of the t14 school where you probably wont be in the top  10 either

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Re: Law School
« Reply #42 on: February 07, 2013, 10:31:08 AM »
i would also take the free ride to fordham because even if you are not in the top 10 at least you dont have a crushing debt of the t14 school where you probably wont be in the top  10 either

In fact you will be less likely to be in the top 10% at a t14 than at Fordham (considering the competition) but at least you will have a much higher chance at a job even if you are only the top haf of the class. Everyone has to weigh the pros and cons for their own circumstances.

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Re: Law School
« Reply #43 on: February 07, 2013, 11:12:27 AM »
if you do well in fordham you will hopefully get a job might not be as good as from the t14 but you also have to consider that you are already up 200k from not taking out loans

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Re: Law School
« Reply #44 on: February 07, 2013, 12:06:05 PM »
Everyone has to weigh the pros and cons for their own circumstances.

That's the bottom line.

T-5 or 6 is said to open doors that are said to be closed to "Fordham" (used loosely to represent schools that are of lower rank).

Also, you don't even need to be in the top half of your t-5 or 6 schools to get a job at am law 50 firm. Maybe not even in the top 3/4.
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