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Law school exams for yeshiva guys 101, by henche
1. Read the story. 
2. Write down all the taynas that anyone might have, and what taynas the other guy might have back, and what the halacha probably is. 
3. Hit "submit"
4. Get a job.
5. Never see your family again!!!!!!!

http://www.top-law-schools.com/success-in-law-school.html
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Re: Law School
« Reply #60 on: March 11, 2013, 01:32:36 PM »
Someone on a med school forums made a great point. He mentioned that its interesting to note that on med forums when someone mentions top 20 US news rankings it gets about 3 pages of responses mostly saying how irrelevant the rankings are and that no one cares. However when a ranking thread opens on the law forums it gets 100's of pages within hours! It speaks to the tough job market that lawyers have to deal with.

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Re: Law School
« Reply #61 on: March 11, 2013, 01:40:26 PM »
Someone on a med school forums made a great point. He mentioned that its interesting to note that on med forums when someone mentions top 20 US news rankings it gets about 3 pages of responses mostly saying how irrelevant the rankings are and that no one cares. However when a ranking thread opens on the law forums it gets 100's of pages within hours! It speaks to the tough job market that lawyers have to deal with.

You know what else speaks to that? The number of unemployed lawyers.

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Re: Law School
« Reply #62 on: March 11, 2013, 03:38:20 PM »
You know what else speaks to that? The number of unemployed lawyers.

Thanks for pointing that out, I felt that was obvious to anyone on this thread. I was trying to frame it in relation to another profession.

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Re: Law School
« Reply #63 on: March 11, 2013, 04:02:01 PM »
Yeah, it is a pretty striking contrast to med school. The hard part of med school is getting in to any med school, while the hard part of law school is getting into a top school and even then, getting a job out of it.

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Re: Law School
« Reply #64 on: March 11, 2013, 04:12:19 PM »
Top med school, top shmed school.

The cliche is pretty accurate as it turns out... no one knows/cares what school their pediatrician went to.
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Re: Law School
« Reply #65 on: March 11, 2013, 05:18:43 PM »
Top med school, top shmed school.

The cliche is pretty accurate as it turns out... no one knows/cares what school their pediatrician went to.
That's what henche said.  You don't know/care where you're doctor went to med school because anyone who got into and graduated from med school has to be somewhat bright.  A toe fungus can graduate from law school.
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: Law School
« Reply #66 on: May 03, 2013, 01:37:26 AM »
A new type of ranking. Any thoughts?

Basically they cut out the Lsat/gpa aspect of incoming classes and focused on jobs/alumni satisfaction.

http://abovethelaw.com/careers/law-school-rankings/

His own criticism i.e. explaining the ranking more http://abovethelaw.com/2013/05/everything-that-is-wrong-with-the-above-the-law-law-school-rankings/ 

Here are the top 10 if you are too lazy to click the link.


Rank   School   Score
1
   
Yale Law
85.87
2   
Stanford Law
85.73
3   
Harvard Law School
84.46
4   
University of Chicago Law
80.34
5
   
University of Pennsylvania Law
79.94
6   
Duke Law
75.67
7   
University of Virginia Law
73.46
8   
Columbia Law
71.96
9   
University of California, Berkeley
71.37
10   
New York University
70.85
11   
Cornell Law School
68.82
12   
University of Michigan
68.64
13   
Northwestern Law
68.35
14   
University of Texas at Austin
60.67
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Re: Law School
« Reply #67 on: May 03, 2013, 03:55:26 AM »
Can't edit my post anymore, but this is an interesting way of finding the best law school with personalized some of the criteria. Although I don't know how much I trust this one based on how I played with it. The link is set to a default ranking mode I believe.

http://www.mylsn.info/rankings.php
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Re: Law School
« Reply #68 on: May 03, 2013, 07:08:26 AM »
It doesn't change anything. You should still go to a T14, and roughly in the USNWR order (as he correctly self criticizes)

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Re: Law School
« Reply #69 on: May 03, 2013, 09:15:21 AM »
Top med school, top shmed school.

The cliche is pretty accurate as it turns out... no one knows/cares what school their pediatrician went to.
but they care very much where their surgeon went to school..

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Re: Law School
« Reply #70 on: May 03, 2013, 10:33:50 AM »
but they care very much where their surgeon went to school..

that is a very good and highly perceptive point, IMO. People don't care much about the creds of their pediatrician because we perceive them as unskilled pill pushers. When it comes to cutting us open, or diagnosing and treating real diseases, you better believe that HMS diploma on the wall carries credibility.

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Re: Law School
« Reply #71 on: May 03, 2013, 05:23:36 PM »
that is a very good and highly perceptive point, IMO. People don't care much about the creds of their pediatrician because we perceive them as unskilled pill pushers. When it comes to cutting us open, or diagnosing and treating real diseases, you better believe that HMS diploma on the wall carries credibility.
I'm not so sure that this is true either. In terms of "useful' prestige, I'd be looking to see where they did their residency, fellowships or pursued  specialties. But we digress.

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Re: Law School
« Reply #72 on: May 03, 2013, 06:39:25 PM »
I'm not so sure that this is true either. In terms of "useful' prestige, I'd be looking to see where they did their residency, fellowships or pursued  specialties. But we digress.
+1 but I don't know anyone who actually does this.
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Re: Law School
« Reply #73 on: May 03, 2013, 07:03:47 PM »
+1 but I don't know anyone who actually does this.
most people go off of recommendations

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Re: Law School
« Reply #74 on: May 04, 2013, 11:10:12 PM »
most people go off of recommendations

Sort of... Most people get major procedures done at the massive hospital systems. These hospitals are more likely to offer highly competitive jobs to graduates of top residency programs and therefore residency matters

where they did their residency, fellowships or pursued  specialties.

You can make an argument that this carries over to med school as well but the correlation starts getting very weak.

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Re: Law School
« Reply #75 on: June 23, 2013, 01:11:07 AM »
employers care about where you went to school.  this is true in medicine or law.
This is most true for first job. after that experience is most important. lawyers dont win cases bec they went to a T14 school.
The reasons rankings dont matter in med school is bec the pool of med students is so small compared to law students there are more opportunities for jobs

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Re: Law School
« Reply #76 on: June 26, 2013, 08:06:48 PM »
The job market must really be awful.  I received two resumes this week from experienced candidates willing to take a $100k paycut - and these are people with a current job. 

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« Reply #77 on: June 26, 2013, 08:10:52 PM »
The job market must really be awful.  I received two resumes this week from experienced candidates willing to take a $100k paycut - and these are people with a current job.

I'm confused. Why would someone WITH a job be actively looking for a job that earns a $100k less than he or she is currently making?
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Re: Law School
« Reply #78 on: June 26, 2013, 08:14:11 PM »
I'm confused. Why would someone WITH a job be actively looking for a job that earns a $100k less than he or she is currently making?

I suspect that they feel that cutbacks are imminent. 

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Re: Law School
« Reply #79 on: June 26, 2013, 08:33:42 PM »
The job market must really be awful.  I received two resumes this week from experienced candidates willing to take a $100k paycut - and these are people with a current job. 
and what sort of job are you offering? Perhaps they are looking to cut back on hours?