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Green (7 programs): Never charges a fuel surcharge on their own or partner award tickets.
Lime (2 program): Does not charge a fuel surcharge for their own or for partner flights except for when flying on select partners.
Blue (3 programs): Charges a fuel surcharge for flying on their own metal and for flying on partners that normally collect a fuel surcharge for flying on their own metal.  Does not charge a fuel surcharge for flying on partners that normally do not collect a fuel surcharge when flying on their own metal.

Purple (1 program): Doesn't charge a fuel surcharge for their own or partner flights originating from the US.  Charges a fuel surcharge for their own and for partner flights originating outside of the US.
Teal (1 program):Charges a fuel surcharge for their own and for partner flights except for when flying on select partners.
Red (8 programs): Always charges a fuel surcharge on award tickets, even on partners that normally don't charge a fuel surcharge.
Orange (21 programs): Unknown or incomplete info.

Star:
Adria: ???
Air Canada: Charges a fuel surcharge for flying on their own metal.  Does not charge a fuel surcharge for flying on partner airlines.
Note: If you fly on these carriers you will pay a fuel surcharge: Adria, Air Canada, ANA, Asiana, Austrian, LOT Polish, Lufthansa, TAP Portugal, and THAI.
If you fly on these carriers you will not pay a fuel surcharge: Aegean, Air China, Air New Zealand, Avianca/TACA, Brussels, Copa, Croatia, EgyptAir, Ethiopian, SAS, Singapore, South African, Swiss, TAM, Turkish, United, and USAirways.
Air China: ???
Air New Zealand: ??? (Does charge on own metal, unknown about partners)
ANA: Charges a fuel surcharge for their own and for partner flights except for when flying on select partners.
Asiana: ??? (Does charge on own metal, unknown about partners)
Austrian: ???
BMI: Always charges a fuel surcharge on award tickets, even on partners that normally don't charge a fuel surcharge.
EgyptAir: ???
Miles And More (Adria, Austrian, Brussels, Croatia, LOT Polish, Lufthansa, and Swiss): Always charges a fuel surcharge on award tickets, even on partners that normally don't charge a fuel surcharge.

Exception: No fuel surcharge for redeeming any Miles and More carrier on miles for flying on Lot Polish.
EuroBonus (Blue1, SAS): Never charges a fuel surcharge on their own or partner award tickets.
Shanghai: ???
Singapore: Charges a fuel surcharge for their own and for partner flights except for when flying on select partners.
Note: Singapore charges a surcharge for travel on most partners, with the exceptions being United and Virgin Australia.
South African: Never charges a fuel surcharge on their own or partner award tickets.
TAM: Never charges a fuel surcharge on their own or partner award tickets.
Tap Portugal ???
Thai: ???  (Does charge on own metal, unknown about partners)
Turkish: ???  (Does charge on own metal, unknown about partners)
United: Never charges a fuel surcharge on their own or partner award tickets.
USAirways: Never charges a fuel surcharge on their own or partner award tickets.
Note: US does charge an award processing fee of $25-$50, but phone fees are waived for partner award flights

OneWorld:
AA: Does not charge a fuel surcharge for their own or for partner flights except for when flying on select partners.
Note: AA does charge a hefty fuel surcharge for redemption on partner British Airways, and a small fuel surcharge for flying on Iberia, however they do not charge it for redemption on their own metal or on other partners.
British Airways:Charges a fuel surcharge for their own and for partner flights except for when flying on select partners.
Note: BA charges a surcharge for travel on most partners, with the exceptions being Air Berlin, Aer Lingus, Alaska, and LAN.  BA does not collect a fuel surcharge on AA flights that are wholly within the Western Hemisphere.
BA also does not collect fuel surcharges for flights within Europe.
You can transfer BA Avios to Iberia to save on fuel surcharges collected on Iberia flights.

Cathay Pacific: Always charges a fuel surcharge on award tickets, even on partners that normally don't charge a fuel surcharge.
Finnair: ???
Iberia: ???
JAL:  Always charges a fuel surcharge on award tickets, even on partners that normally don't charge a fuel surcharge.
LAN: Never charges a fuel surcharge on their own or partner award tickets.
Qantas: Charges a fuel surcharge for flying on their own metal and for flying on partners that normally collect a fuel surcharge.  Does not charge a fuel surcharge for flying on partners that normally do not collect a fuel surcharge.
Royal Jordanian: ???

Skyteam:
Aeroflot: ???
AeroMexico: ???
Alitalia: Always charges a fuel surcharge on award tickets, even on partners that normally don't charge a fuel surcharge.
China Southern: ???
Czech: ???
Delta: Doesn't charge a fuel surcharge for their own or partner flights originating from the US.  Charges a fuel surcharge for their own and for partner flights originating outside of the US.

Note: Delta does charge a hefty fuel surcharge for redemption on partners Malaysia and Virgin Australia, even on flight originating in the United States.
Flying Blue (AirEuropa, Air France, Kenya, KLM): Charges a fuel surcharge for flying on their own metal and for flying on partners that normally collect a fuel surcharge.  Does not charge a fuel surcharge for flying on partners that normally do not collect a fuel surcharge.
Note: This means no fuel surcharges for Delta flights.
Korean: ???
Tarom: ???
Vietnam: ???

Unaligned:
Alaska: Does not charge a fuel surcharge for their own or for partner flights except for when flying on select partners.

Note: Alaska does charge a hefty fuel surcharge for redemption on partner British Airways, however they do not charge it for redemption on their own metal or on other partners like AA, Air France/KLM, Cathay Pacific, Delta, or Qantas.
El Al: Always charges a fuel surcharge on award tickets.
Emirates: Never charges a fuel surcharge on their own or partner award tickets.
Virgin Atlantic: Always charges a fuel surcharge on award tickets, even on partners that normally don't charge a fuel surcharge.

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Re: The New Color-Coded Fuel Surcharges On Award Tickets Master Thread!
« Reply #30 on: August 24, 2010, 01:56:44 PM »
Aussie, can you try doing a dummy booking for LHR-JFK on BA in coach using Qantas miles so we can compare the number to AA and see if there's a fuel surcharge or if it's just taxes.
151.30
Today in USD$234.05

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Re: The New Color-Coded Fuel Surcharges On Award Tickets Master Thread!
« Reply #31 on: August 24, 2010, 02:03:44 PM »
151.30
Today in USD$234.05
LHR-JFK-LHR on AA in coach is $126.40.
Seems like
-QF adds a fuel surcharge on their own metal
-QF adds a fuel surcharge on partners that normally charge a fuel surcharge when flying on their own metal
-QF does not add a fuel surcharge on partners that normally do not charge a fuel surcharge when flying on their own metal.

Sound right? Any other examples that would refute that?
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Re: The New Color-Coded Fuel Surcharges On Award Tickets Master Thread!
« Reply #32 on: August 24, 2010, 02:15:21 PM »
LHR-JFK-LHR on AA in coach is $126.40.
Seems like
-QF adds a fuel surcharge on their own metal
-QF adds a fuel surcharge on partners that normally charge a fuel surcharge when flying on their own metal
-QF does not add a fuel surcharge on partners that normally do not charge a fuel surcharge when flying on their own metal.

Sound right? Any other examples that would refute that?
Seems right.


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Re: The New Color-Coded Fuel Surcharges On Award Tickets Master Thread!
« Reply #33 on: September 07, 2010, 11:10:55 AM »
Lucky is reporting that ANA doesn't charge a fuel surcharge when flying on Virgin Atlantic, which makes it an incredible value for redeeming on Virgin Upper Class.
Of course this would place ANA in an entirely new category, namely the "charges a fuel surcharge whenever they feel like it with no rhyme or reason" category.

Can someone with ANA miles please confirm if they really don't charge a fuel surcharge for redeeming on Virgin Atlantic?
If they really don't I wonder what other airlines they do/don't charge for?
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Re: The New Color-Coded Fuel Surcharges On Award Tickets Master Thread!
« Reply #34 on: September 07, 2010, 11:38:35 AM »
Lucky is reporting that ANA doesn't charge a fuel surcharge when flying on Virgin Atlantic, which makes it an incredible value for redeeming on Virgin Upper Class.
Of course this would place ANA in an entirely new category, namely the "charges a fuel surcharge whenever they feel like it with no rhyme or reason" category.

Can someone with ANA miles please confirm if they really don't charge a fuel surcharge for redeeming on Virgin Atlantic?
If they really don't I wonder what other airlines they do/don't charge for?
I tried booking online but VS only comes up as "RQ" on ANA and the total before submitting the request is 63K miles but fees are not shown.
If I get a chance I will try to call them up and see if they can tell me over the phone.

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Re: The New Color-Coded Fuel Surcharges On Award Tickets Master Thread!
« Reply #35 on: September 07, 2010, 11:44:13 AM »
I tried booking online but VS only comes up as "RQ" on ANA and the total before submitting the request is 63K miles but fees are not shown.
If I get a chance I will try to call them up and see if they can tell me over the phone.
Thanks, let us know what you find out!
Getting 2 upper class tickets for 100K SPG with no fuel surcharge would indeed be great!
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Re: The New Color-Coded Fuel Surcharges On Award Tickets Master Thread!
« Reply #36 on: September 07, 2010, 11:44:49 AM »
A dummy booking on ANA's website wont give the price. It says it cant calculate it...

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Re: The New Color-Coded Fuel Surcharges On Award Tickets Master Thread!
« Reply #37 on: September 07, 2010, 11:46:15 AM »
I tried booking online but VS only comes up as "RQ" on ANA and the total before submitting the request is 63K miles but fees are not shown.
If I get a chance I will try to call them up and see if they can tell me over the phone.
A dummy booking on ANA's website wont give the price. It says it cant calculate it...
I'm getting slow in my old age...

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Re: The New Color-Coded Fuel Surcharges On Award Tickets Master Thread!
« Reply #38 on: September 07, 2010, 12:07:46 PM »
Thanks, let us know what you find out!
Getting 2 upper class tickets for 100K SPG with no fuel surcharge would indeed be great!
Definitely the best value out of ANA miles, especially the way people talk about Upper Class...
But, you'll only get as LHR as ANA doesn't allow mixing partners...

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Re: The New Color-Coded Fuel Surcharges On Award Tickets Master Thread!
« Reply #39 on: September 07, 2010, 12:14:03 PM »
Thanks, let us know what you find out!
Getting 2 upper class tickets for 100K SPG with no fuel surcharge would indeed be great!
OK, I just got off the phone with ANA and I had to make a booking in order to get all the info. (They do a courtesy 3 day hold on the booking before ticketing if you have the points in the account and let it expire if you dont call to confirm it- anyone named "Mike Oracle" want to buy the ticket off of me for October trip to London  ;D ;D ;D .)
The taxes/fees came out to $194.60 which is exactly (to the penny) what CO would charge for booking on Virgin Atlantic for the exact flights I checked.
Additional note; The availability I found via CO.com was available when I spoke to ANA.

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Re: The New Color-Coded Fuel Surcharges On Award Tickets Master Thread!
« Reply #40 on: September 07, 2010, 12:46:50 PM »
OK, I just got off the phone with ANA and I had to make a booking in order to get all the info. (They do a courtesy 3 day hold on the booking before ticketing if you have the points in the account and let it expire if you dont call to confirm it- anyone named "Mike Oracle" want to buy the ticket off of me for October trip to London  ;D ;D ;D .)
The taxes/fees came out to $194.60 which is exactly (to the penny) what CO would charge for booking on Virgin Atlantic for the exact flights I checked.
Additional note; The availability I found via CO.com was available when I spoke to ANA.
Thanks for the confirmation!
I now officially have no idea when ANA does or does not charge a fuel surcharge!
When you were trying to get to TLV did you try booking on AC via ANA? Was there a fuel surcharge?
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Re: The New Color-Coded Fuel Surcharges On Award Tickets Master Thread!
« Reply #41 on: September 07, 2010, 12:59:10 PM »
Thanks for the confirmation!
I now officially have no idea when ANA does or does not charge a fuel surcharge!
When you were trying to get to TLV did you try booking on AC via ANA? Was there a fuel surcharge?
No problem.
When I booked to TLV I did not try AC because I found direct on CO and US. If you can find me an available AC itinerary I can give it a shot to see if they will show the fees online.

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Re: The New Color-Coded Fuel Surcharges On Award Tickets Master Thread!
« Reply #42 on: September 07, 2010, 01:14:53 PM »
YYZ-TLV, 11/07-11/14.
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Re: The New Color-Coded Fuel Surcharges On Award Tickets Master Thread!
« Reply #43 on: September 07, 2010, 01:21:49 PM »
YYZ-TLV, 11/07-11/14.
Thanks!
Fees online show up as $475.49
Breakdown as follows;

AIRPORT IMPROVEMENT FEE USD23.60     
HARMONIZED SALES TAX USD3.10
AIR SECURITY CHARGE USD24.40
AIRLINE SURCHARGE (INSURANCE/ FUEL)  USD373.40

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Re: The New Color-Coded Fuel Surcharges On Award Tickets Master Thread!
« Reply #44 on: September 07, 2010, 01:25:05 PM »
Fees online show up as $475.49
Breakdown as follows;

AIRPORT IMPROVEMENT FEE USD23.60     
HARMONIZED SALES TAX USD3.10
AIR SECURITY CHARGE USD24.40
AIRLINE SURCHARGE (INSURANCE/ FUEL)  USD373.40
Ouch!
So for ANA we have
CO, UA, US, VS: No fuel surcharge.
AC, LH, LX, NH:  Fuel surcharge.
Anything else that you know of to add to that list?
Any pattern at all? Maybe no fuel surcharge on non-star partners?

When you get chance can you try these out? They all should have availability.
JFK-GRU, 09/30-10/04. (JJ)
WAW-TLV, 02/28-03/06. (LO)
ATH-TLV, 03/01-03/04. (A3)
VIE-TLV, 03/01-03/04. (OS)
BCN-TLV, 03/01-03/06 (JK)
BRU-TLV, 03/01-03/06 (SN)
IST-TLV, 03/01-03/06 (TK)

It doesnt seem like you can check airlines like Jet Airways (tried JFK-BRU) or Etuhad (tried JFK-AUH) on the ANA site.
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