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Flying From Asia to the USA on Erev Shabbos
« on: December 18, 2012, 08:16:03 PM »
What do the Halachic Authorities say about taking a flight Friday AM in the winter back from say Tokyo or Seoul where it gets dark for  a short while during the flight?

Example A:

27 Dec 2012 American Airlines         134     HND   06:50     JFK   05:35     777  0   1234567     12:45 

Example B:

27 Dec 2012 Korean Air               81      ICN   10:20     JFK   10:00     388  0   1234567     13:40   

According to GCM, both flights take a similar route back over Siberia and the rest of Europe

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Re: Flying From Asia to the USA on Erev Shabbos
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2012, 08:29:44 PM »
http://www.star-k.org/kashrus/kk-trav-dateline.htm

"Similarly, it is preferable that one should not depart from these locations (to fly east toward America) on Friday."

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Re: Flying From Asia to the USA on Erev Shabbos
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2012, 08:42:48 PM »
http://www.star-k.org/kashrus/kk-trav-dateline.htm

"Similarly, it is preferable that one should not depart from these locations (to fly east toward America) on Friday."
What do the Halachic Authorities say about taking a flight Friday AM in the winter back from say Tokyo or Seoul where it gets dark for  a short while during the flight?

Example A:

27 Dec 2012 American Airlines         134     HND   06:50     JFK   05:35     777  0   1234567     12:45 

Example B:

27 Dec 2012 Korean Air               81      ICN   10:20     JFK   10:00     388  0   1234567     13:40   

According to GCM, both flights take a similar route back over Siberia and the rest of Europe

Then it would be flying West, and would probably be over China/Russia land before it becomes dark.

Also, as far I know, there is no issur being onboard an aircraft during shabbos, provided one makes kiddush and havdala onboard.

Is there some kind of issue with having two shabbosim in one week?

An interesting fact is that SQ21 can travel either way across the globe, depending on winds. Also, IATA has trouble defining SQ26 as TPAC or TATL, as it is both.
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Re: Flying From Asia to the USA on Erev Shabbos
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2012, 08:46:40 PM »
http://www.star-k.org/kashrus/kk-trav-dateline.htm

"Similarly, it is preferable that one should not depart from these locations (to fly east toward America) on Friday."
Thanks I've never seen that article before

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Re: Re: Flying From Asia to the USA on Erev Shabbos
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2012, 09:03:13 PM »
An interesting fact is that SQ21 can travel either way across the globe, depending on winds. Also, IATA has trouble defining SQ26 as TPAC or TATL, as it is both.

EWR-SIN usually goes over the north pole, but has in the past taken the european route

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Re: Flying From Asia to the USA on Erev Shabbos
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2012, 09:07:26 PM »
The YNET 'Rabbi'

סיכום עניין זה: כל מי שנוהג כאחת מהדעות הנ"ל יש לו על מי לסמוך. דעתי נוטה לאומרים שיש לקבל את התאריך המקומי המקובל גם לדיני תורה, מפני שעד שתהא יכולת בידינו להכריע ולקבוע כללים חדשים בלוח העברי, אנו נשארים שותפים או אורחים במערכת הזמן המקובלת בכל מקום על בני המקום.
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Re: Flying From Asia to the USA on Erev Shabbos
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2012, 09:14:25 PM »
The YNET 'Rabbi'

סיכום עניין זה: כל מי שנוהג כאחת מהדעות הנ"ל יש לו על מי לסמוך. דעתי נוטה לאומרים שיש לקבל את התאריך המקומי המקובל גם לדיני תורה, מפני שעד שתהא יכולת בידינו להכריע ולקבוע כללים חדשים בלוח העברי, אנו נשארים שותפים או אורחים במערכת הזמן המקובלת בכל מקום על בני המקום.

So YMMV?

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Re: Flying From Asia to the USA on Erev Shabbos
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2012, 09:16:39 PM »
So YMMV?
Ask a Rabbi. But basically, there are valid Halachic opinions to pretty much every possible answer in date-line questions.
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Re: Flying From Asia to the USA on Erev Shabbos
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Re: Flying From Asia to the USA on Erev Shabbos
« Reply #10 on: December 25, 2017, 10:45:01 PM »
Does anybody remember the website that you can put in your flight# and date and wit will tell you if your flight travels on shabbos?

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Re: Flying From Asia to the USA on Erev Shabbos
« Reply #11 on: December 25, 2017, 10:54:38 PM »
Does anybody remember the website that you can put in your flight# and date and wit will tell you if your flight travels on shabbos?
The Chai Tables give in-flight davening times online.  Not sure if you will be able to deduce from them possible Shabbat overlap. 

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Re: Flying From Asia to the USA on Erev Shabbos
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2017, 12:49:03 AM »
Does anybody remember the website that you can put in your flight# and date and wit will tell you if your flight travels on shabbos?
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