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Re: Stocks
« Reply #75 on: August 29, 2013, 05:00:44 PM »
"תלמוד בבלי ביצה דף ט"ז "כל מזונותיו של אדם קצובים לו מראש השנה ועד יום הכיפורים

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #76 on: August 29, 2013, 07:20:58 PM »
If the stock market is just gambling, that would make warren buffett, the worlds greatest, winningest gambler. True, if you buy a company without looking at the books you are a gambler. But not everyone does that, some people actually look at a company's financials and see the value of the assets and the price they're selling at, and sometimes you find killer deals in bad companies. Blackberry isn't a killer deal per se, but I'm betting that in 6-12 months the stock will be 20-30% higher.

I may point out that I don't care much about short term. As one great man put it "In the short term the market is a voting machine, in the long term a weighing machine."
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Re: Stocks
« Reply #77 on: August 29, 2013, 07:36:09 PM »
There's no such thing as 100% or even close to 100% knowledge of the market. Buffett will say that himself. He wouldn't invest in many sectors, simply because he didn't understand it well enough.

Now I'd like to ask you: Do you only invest in businesses that you have 100% knowledge in? If you open a profitable business with a partner, are you 100% sure he won't backstab you? Are you 100% sure that the someone else can't copy you and steal all your business? Nothing is guaranteed, but if you find enough great opportunities, you will come out far ahead even if some opportunities fail. You do your hishtadlus from before to minimize risk and maximize profitability and you pray to God on Rosh Hashana that you should be blessed with a good parnassah.
Ok, I really didn't mean to simply compare trading to gambling, I was just saying that just like when you gamble no matter how much effort you put into it it won't have an effect on the upcoming number/card etc, and you will win/loose based on a fact which you don't know, same here, you will definitely need to do research to figure which stock would be an earning one, "but" after all the companies earnings will be what it will be no matter how much research you did, and here is where it's similar to gambling.

And regarding this;
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"תלמוד בבלי ביצה דף ט"ז "כל מזונותיו של אדם קצובים לו מראש השנה ועד יום הכיפורים
you're 100+% right, I'm just talking b'derech ha'tavah, but we definitely goto have אמונה ובטחון and just pray to hashem for parnasah and then do the needed hishtadles.
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Re: Stocks
« Reply #78 on: August 29, 2013, 08:26:17 PM »
Ok, I really didn't mean to simply compare trading to gambling, I was just saying that just like when you gamble no matter how much effort you put into it it won't have an effect on the upcoming number/card etc, and you will win/loose based on a fact which you don't know, same here, you will definitely need to do research to figure which stock would be an earning one, "but" after all the companies earnings will be what it will be no matter how much research you did, and here is where it's similar to gambling

If that's the case, going to college is similar to gambling too, because you never know how much you'll earn with your degree. So is buying airplane tickets, maybe the price will go down right after you bought them. My point is, every decision a person makes can be similar to gambling if viewed under the same light.
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Re: Stocks
« Reply #79 on: August 29, 2013, 08:41:58 PM »
If that's the case, going to college is similar to gambling too, because you never know how much you'll earn with your degree. So is buying airplane tickets, maybe the price will go down right after you bought them. My point is, every decision a person makes can similar to gambling if viewed under the same light.
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Re: Stocks
« Reply #80 on: August 29, 2013, 09:54:30 PM »
Is Tesla (TSLA) a buy?

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #81 on: August 29, 2013, 10:48:23 PM »
Is Tesla (TSLA) a buy?
if you think there will be major breakthroughs in battery technology(which Elon Musk is more than convinced there will be) that can lower the model s price point from almost $98,000 down to $45,000 then yes

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #82 on: August 29, 2013, 10:52:04 PM »
If that's the case, going to college is similar to gambling too, because you never know how much you'll earn with your degree. So is buying airplane tickets, maybe the price will go down right after you bought them. My point is, every decision a person makes can be similar to gambling if viewed under the same light.
Not right,
It might be hard sometimes to get a good job even with a degree but you can definitely struggle for it and achieve it, you can have a slow business and market it and see results, you can have a store where ppl wouldn't enter and just renovate it to attract ppl to it, bottom line... in every business if there's anything that keeps you from making money you can actually "do" something to fix it and make it better,

Unlikely when you buy stocks you can do absolutely NOTHING that the stock should go up, you can try your best speculating guessing and assuming which one would go up but there's nothing you can actually do.
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Re: Stocks
« Reply #83 on: August 29, 2013, 10:58:02 PM »
if you think there will be major breakthroughs in battery technology(which Elon Musk is more than convinced there will be) that can lower the model s price point from almost $98,000 down to $45,000 then yes
If you buy the stock you are betting on Musk and not on Tesla. Tesla has not actually made much money from selling the cars, they made money by selling carbon offsets to other car manufactures. This is not sustainable.

Musk may be brilliant, which is why the stock is at it's current price.

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #84 on: August 29, 2013, 11:52:05 PM »
if you think there will be major breakthroughs in battery technology(which Elon Musk is more than convinced there will be) that can lower the model s price point from almost $98,000 down to $45,000 then yes
"Tesla Chief Executive Elon Musk promises to offer within a few years an electric car that sells for $35,000."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324324404579041053302585062.html
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Re: Stocks
« Reply #85 on: August 29, 2013, 11:54:23 PM »
"Tesla Chief Executive Elon Musk promises to offer within a few years an electric car that sells for $35,000."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324324404579041053302585062.html
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Re: Stocks
« Reply #86 on: August 30, 2013, 12:00:33 AM »
If you buy the stock you are betting on Musk and not on Tesla. Tesla has not actually made much money from selling the cars, they made money by selling carbon offsets to other car manufactures. This is not sustainable.

Musk may be brilliant, which is why the stock is at it's current price.

He's got the golden touch. Between him and Peter Thiel, I wonder whose hands are more golden...
A little OT, does anyone know if he's Jewish?
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Re: Stocks
« Reply #87 on: August 30, 2013, 12:01:09 AM »
"Tesla Chief Executive Elon Musk promises to offer within a few years an electric car that sells for $35,000."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324324404579041053302585062.html

If the Dem's stay in power, I am sure Tesla has a lot of stimulus money coming their way....

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #88 on: August 30, 2013, 02:35:43 AM »
He's got the golden touch. Between him and Peter Thiel, I wonder whose hands are more golden...
A little OT, does anyone know if he's Jewish?
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Re: Stocks
« Reply #89 on: September 18, 2013, 02:17:15 PM »
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