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Do you beleive that there will ever be peace between Israel and the Palestenians

Yes
7 (7.1%)
No
85 (85.9%)
Undecided
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Re: The Palestinian question
« Reply #60 on: December 02, 2012, 03:13:43 PM »
So the Iraq war was a result of 9/11? I think you are a little mixed up.

As for my stupid question sorry you see it that way. From your posts I would guess you are loyal to both US and Israel. Am I wrong?
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Re: The Palestinian question
« Reply #61 on: December 02, 2012, 03:27:58 PM »
why its a valid question.

in a war between israel and america. most of us would have to choose sides. especially the americans living in Israel.

Its a hypothetical question so u dont have to answer, but it wouldnt be easy for many ppl
We can start asking hypotheticals from today till tomorrow.  Whose side would you be on in a civil war between red and blue states.
But c'mon, what purpose is served by one in a million hypotheticals?
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Re: The Palestinian question
« Reply #62 on: December 02, 2012, 03:36:32 PM »
No need to make it hypothetical. For those that are loyal to more than one country which country comes first. For me it is the US. See that was not so hard.
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Re: Re: The Palestinian question
« Reply #63 on: December 02, 2012, 03:56:30 PM »
No need to make it hypothetical. For those that are loyal to more than one country which country comes first. For me it is the US. See that was not so hard.
Easy for you to say, do you have relatives living in Israel ?
I'd also say the US, primarily out of concern for my own safety, but it's very hard to root against our own brothers, and the many of us(myself not included), that's brothers, literally
Maybe an easier way to say it is that as a country I'm a patriotic American first. But my heart is with the Israeli people. Kinda like when your favorite team off playing your favorite(fantasy) player, you want your team to win but your player to have a good game

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Re: Re: The Palestinian question
« Reply #64 on: December 02, 2012, 03:57:13 PM »
Easy for you to say, do you have relatives living in Israel ?
I'd also say the US, primarily out of concern for my own safety, but it's very hard to root against our own brothers, and the many of us(myself not included), that's brothers, literally
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Re: The Palestinian question
« Reply #65 on: December 02, 2012, 04:28:14 PM »
@smurf Ė I have no family/relatives in Israel.

The problem with your favorite team analogy is you are a player on that team. If you are a US citizen I would except you are playing for the US and you have no right to cheer for a player on the other side.
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Re: The Palestinian question
« Reply #66 on: December 02, 2012, 04:54:55 PM »
By the way if the US and Israel were at war with each other what side would you be fighting on.
When people hear that I am a dual citizen of USA and Australia, they say, "that's convenient", or something non-committal like that.
Then they realize I am Jewish, and all of a sudden they've got questions, "So, who are you more loyal to, Israel or the United States".

Just sayin'

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Re: The Palestinian question
« Reply #67 on: December 02, 2012, 05:06:14 PM »
HelpMe couldn't answer for the Hypocritical double standard the world places on Israel. besides saying something about bs.
So instead he questions my allegiance to the U.S. in order to change topics. How does defending the only true democrocy in the middle east make my allegiance to the U.S questionable?
Tell me HelpMe, Do you also question arnold schwarzeneggar, Zbigniew Brzezinski's, allegeiance or for that matter any dual u.s. citzen's? or only mine because i'm jewish, and although saying nothing negative about the U.S (in fact positive), i'm defending Israel.
Did you know the financier of the american revolution was a jew by the name of haym salomon (he never got paid back).
Did you know that there were over 1 million jews who fought in the U.S armed forces.

Israel's survival is at stake here, surrounded by enemy's, having thousands of rocket's bombard their towns for 12 years already, But for some reason you feel that they don't have a right to retalliate like the U.S. And when I defend them you imply I am "somehow" not a loyal citizen. If the country that was being attacked was Engalnd or France etc; I'd defend them just as much.

Even though President Bush clearly writes that the reason he attacked Iraq  after september 11 was to protect the U.S. homeland. You somehow feel that the president had some other motive. Enlighten me to what that is please?
and btw the Iraq war got bi-partisan support.
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Re: The Palestinian question
« Reply #68 on: December 02, 2012, 05:06:43 PM »
I have the same question for Asians, Irish, Hispanics and I think you get the picture.

Just sayin'  ;)
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Re: The Palestinian question
« Reply #69 on: December 02, 2012, 05:09:14 PM »
I have the same question for Asians, Irish, Hispanics and I think you get the picture.
Just sayin'  ;)
So, if for hypothetical purposes, your mother and father are going through a divorce, and you gotta choose your loyalties, who would you choose?
Or, would you just not worry about these sorts of hypotheticals until you have to.

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Re: The Palestinian question
« Reply #70 on: December 02, 2012, 05:12:33 PM »
It's a valid question with a very difficult answer. Its the same question Americans had during the civil war do you support your brother or the country...

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Re: The Palestinian question
« Reply #71 on: December 02, 2012, 05:14:56 PM »
It's a valid question with a very difficult answer. Its the same question Americans had during the civil war do you support your brother or the country...

Yes, but the bigger question here is, how the heck did this question start. All I was doing was pointing out the hypocricy that isarel has no right to self defence while the rest of the world does, and suddenly HelpMe questions the jews allegiance.
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Re: The Palestinian question
« Reply #72 on: December 02, 2012, 05:17:49 PM »
It's a valid question with a very difficult answer. Its the same question Americans had during the civil war do you support your brother or the country...
It is actually not a valid question, because despite whatever citizenship a Jew holds, his safety is linked with Israelís safety. Whenever there is drama in the middle east, synagogues and Jewish places of gatherings around the world are targeted. From time to time we hear about the more dramatic attacks around the world, but then you also have the much more frequent verbal and egg-throwing variety of attack.
And we all know where we would be without Israel.
We (Jews of all citizenships) get attacked when Israel is attacked, and when we want Israel to be strong, everyone starts kvetching about our loyalties.
So I stick with my opinion, that this question is like asking someone to choose loyalties between his parents, the two people who are the very fabric and fiber of his life.
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Re: The Palestinian question
« Reply #73 on: December 02, 2012, 05:19:27 PM »
@HelpMe

If vatican city were to be at war withe the U.S, who's side would you be on?
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Re: The Palestinian question
« Reply #74 on: December 02, 2012, 05:20:26 PM »
@ U-no-me  I try and answer questions the best I can. You on the other hand avoid questions put to you.

As far as the reason for the Iraq war did you ever hear the term WMDís? Letís not try and rewrite history.

I am 100% against any type of dual citizenship. So stop playing the race card.

You might want to read some of my comments in this tread to see if I feel Israel has a right to defend its self or my support for Israel.
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