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Do You Own A Gun

Of Course
20 (18.9%)
No
40 (37.7%)
I plan on getting one eventually
45 (42.5%)
I used to
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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2012, 05:39:25 PM »
AFAIK all these massacres where done with semi-auto weapons.
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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2012, 05:46:39 PM »
Did you think legalizing drugs will make the situation better?

That's irrelevant to the discussion.

What is relevant is that outlawing guns would not make an iota of difference when it comes to these issues. 

OP's Utopian belief that it will is sheer refusal to face the facts. 
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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2012, 05:49:53 PM »
That's irrelevant to the discussion.

What is relevant is that outlawing guns would not make an iota of difference when it comes to these issues. 

OP's Utopian belief that it will is sheer refusal to face the facts.

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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2012, 05:51:08 PM »
That's irrelevant to the discussion.

What is relevant is that outlawing guns would not make an iota of difference when it comes to these issues.
Of course it is relevant. Anytime you make something harder to get the less of that item will be available.
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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2012, 06:01:24 PM »
Of course it is relevant. Anytime you make something harder to get the less of that item will be available.

Even assuming you're right, so what?

I guess you must also agree that the war on/ban on drugs has been a wholesale success, eh?

I must be completely uninformed about the degree to which coke and meth are readily available to those people sufficiently inquisitive.

With all due respect, what country do you live in?
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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2012, 06:06:06 PM »
I personally don't think that that guns should be banned, and people should be allowed to own guns to protect themselves and their families.

That being said, your point about criminals not handing in guns, and criminal access to guns on the black market, is not entirely relevant. Here in the UK, any criminal/gangster that wants to obtain a firearm, could do so if they wanted it bad enough. I, on the other hand wouldn't have a clue as to where to start looking for one. In the US, I would Google the closest gun shop, walk in with my drivers licence (in applicable states) and walk out 5 minutes later with whatever gun I fancied.

From my understanding, most of the major massacres that took place in recent history (Columbine, Virginia Tech etc.) were perpetrated by individuals with no criminal links/history. My guess is, that in a place like the UK, these individuals would not have been able to gain access to these weapons, thus preventing them from carrying out these atrocities.

My point is that, yes, criminals would still have access to guns, but we should be more afraid of your "average Joe" that goes crazy and takes an AK-47 to a building full of children.
And like you said that if it wouldn't be so easy to obtain any firearm then your average Joe - not the criminal in the black market - wouldn't have access to it. (the criminals in general don't do these kind of shooting, they have better things to occupy themselves with)
That's irrelevant to the discussion.

What is relevant is that outlawing guns would not make an iota of difference when it comes to these issues. 

OP's Utopian belief that it will is sheer refusal to face the facts. 
Facts are that in most countries that have a ban on guns, you don't hear stories of youngsters with no criminal record whatsoever that goes nuts and starts shooting at kids/crowds with a gun that he got in some stupid way. I'm not saying that people don't go crazy in other places, what I am saying is that it usually had a different outcome.

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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2012, 06:08:54 PM »
And like you said that if it wouldn't be so easy to obtain any firearm then your average Joe - not the criminal in the black market - wouldn't have access to it. (the criminals in general don't do these kind of shooting, they have better things to occupy themselves with)

So you agree or disagree with me?

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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2012, 07:02:49 PM »
Even assuming you're right, so what?
Assuming I am correct then next logical progression would be that fewer crimes would be committed with guns since less of them are available.
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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2012, 07:06:00 PM »
Assuming I am correct then next logical progression would be that fewer crimes would be committed with guns since less of them are available.

You seem to have developed a penchant for only quoting a portion of my posts.

For your reference:

I guess you must also agree that the war on/ban on drugs has been a wholesale success, eh?

I must be completely uninformed about the degree to which coke and meth are readily available to those people sufficiently inquisitive.

With all due respect, what country do you live in?


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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2012, 07:07:49 PM »
You seem to have developed a penchant for only quoting a portion of my posts.


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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #25 on: December 16, 2012, 07:12:00 PM »
You seem to have developed a penchant for only quoting a portion of my posts.
Let me answer your other two questions then.

The war drugs have made fewer drugs available to use.

I live in the US.
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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2012, 07:17:21 PM »

The war drugs have made fewer drugs available to use.


Is that a fact?
I actually beleive it's similar to the  prohibition era where the rate went up.
And the war on drugs has handed over hundreds of millions of dollars to drug cartels and terroists like hezbollah
and Has filled our prisons which has ruined millions of families and is costing the taxpayers millions of dollars.
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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2012, 07:19:38 PM »
Let me answer your other two questions then.

The war drugs have made fewer drugs available to use.

I live in the US.

OK so let me get this straight.

The ban on drugs has made fewer drugs available to use, but in no meaningful way prevents people seeking out those drugs from obtaining them.

And a ban on guns will make fewer guns available to use, but unlike the ban on drugs, the gov't will somehow implement a plan whereby the people seeking out those guns will be prevented from obtaining them.

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Re: Re: Ban guns
« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2012, 07:22:38 PM »
OK so let me get this straight.

The ban on drugs has made fewer drugs available to use, but in no meaningful way prevents people seeking out those drugs from obtaining them.

And a ban on guns will make fewer guns available to use, but unlike the ban on drugs, the gov't will somehow implement a plan whereby the people seeking out those guns will be prevented from obtaining them.

La la land.

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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #29 on: December 16, 2012, 07:27:50 PM »
The ban on drugs has made fewer drugs available to use, but in no meaningful way prevents people seeking out those drugs from obtaining them.
Letís look at teenagers. Do more use alcohol or drugs? Which one is easier to get?
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