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Re: Re: Ban guns
« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2012, 07:29:17 PM »
Did you miss my post?

I guess?  ???

Letís look at teenagers. Do more use alcohol or drugs? Which one is easier to get?

No idea. You tell me.
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Re: Re: Ban guns
« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2012, 07:31:38 PM »
No idea. You tell me.
From what I see it is alcohol that is the major problem.
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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2012, 07:31:44 PM »
Letís look at teenagers. Do more use alcohol or drugs? Which one is easier to get?

Alcohol.
So what's your point?
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Re: Re: Ban guns
« Reply #33 on: December 16, 2012, 07:44:25 PM »
From what I see it is alcohol that is the major problem.

You keep on making me guess your point.

So here goes:

Assuming you're correct, and alcohol is a bigger problem than drugs, therefore:

Because alcohol is a bigger problem than drugs and is legal*, therefore, if we--like drugs--ban alcohol, it will become a smaller issue.

* Except it isn't legal for <21 year olds to drink...

Am I getting that, right?
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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #34 on: December 16, 2012, 07:55:03 PM »
Short answer, yes.

My point has been the same. When you make something harder to get it will not be used as much. If you ban guns then they will be harder to obtain and use. The problem is banning guns I believe is against the Constitution. How much of our 2nd amendment rights are we willing to give up?
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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #35 on: December 16, 2012, 07:59:10 PM »
Short answer, yes.

My point has been the same. When you make something harder to get it will not be used as much. If you ban guns then they will be harder to obtain and use. The problem is banning guns I believe is against the Constitution. How much of our 2nd amendment rights are we willing to give up?

I'm not sure I agree. I don't believe a material part of the population would begin snorting cocaine in the back bathroom of a diner simply because it's now legal. I'd venture to say that overwhelming majority of people don't do drugs because it's harmful, not because it's against the law.

However, even if drugs are used less because they're "harder to get" because they're illegal, my point is the a ban on guns won't accomplish what it sets out to, namely, stop school shootings. If people want to get a gun, they'll get a gun, just like a druggie who wants a fix will find a fix.
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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #36 on: December 16, 2012, 08:02:07 PM »
Short answer, yes.

My point has been the same. When you make something harder to get it will not be used as much. If you ban guns then they will be harder to obtain and use. The problem is banning guns I believe is against the Constitution. How much of our 2nd amendment rights are we willing to give up?

The prohibition era disproves that point.
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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #37 on: December 16, 2012, 08:10:59 PM »
The prohibition era disproves that point.
Not the first two years and data points are hard to pin down from this era.
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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #38 on: December 16, 2012, 08:27:06 PM »
I think they should just ban automatic and semi automatic guns, let the gun nuts have hand guns,
these massacres are done and can only be done with automatic guns.
I agree that there's no reason not to ban semi-automatic weapons.
But there have been killings without them and to think that we'll be safe from these incidents in the future without them is foolish.
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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #39 on: December 16, 2012, 08:35:09 PM »
I agree that there's no reason not to ban semi-automatic weapons.
But there have been killings without them and to think that we'll be safe from these incidents in the future without them is foolish.
Unless we are considering airport type of security, for every shopping mall and school (Israel?), the only viable solution seems to be less guns period.

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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #40 on: December 16, 2012, 08:43:19 PM »
But there have been killings without them and to think that we'll be safe from these incidents in the future without them is foolish.
agreed, but with the constitution and NRA and gun loving people its impossible to ban guns in this country,  lets at least ban automatic weapons,
the problem with this country there is no middle ground.

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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #41 on: December 16, 2012, 08:45:36 PM »
agreed, but with the constitution and NRA and gun loving people its impossible to ban guns in this country,  lets at least ban automatic weapons,
the problem with this country there is no middle ground.
Fair enough, but I just don't see a right answer to this problem.  I don't think any regulation will solve the problem away, though seemingly banning semi-automatic would be a decent compromise.
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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #42 on: December 16, 2012, 08:51:17 PM »
I personally don't think that that guns should be banned, and people should be allowed to own guns to protect themselves and their families.

That being said, your point about criminals not handing in guns, and criminal access to guns on the black market, is not entirely relevant. Here in the UK, any criminal/gangster that wants to obtain a firearm, could do so if they wanted it bad enough. I, on the other hand wouldn't have a clue as to where to start looking for one. In the US, I would Google the closest gun shop, walk in with my drivers licence (in applicable states) and walk out 5 minutes later with whatever gun I fancied.

From my understanding, most of the major massacres that took place in recent history (Columbine, Virginia Tech etc.) were perpetrated by individuals with no criminal links/history. My guess is, that in a place like the UK, these individuals would not have been able to gain access to these weapons, thus preventing them from carrying out these atrocities.

My point is that, yes, criminals would still have access to guns, but we should be more afraid of your "average Joe" that goes crazy and takes an AK-47 to a building full of children.
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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #43 on: December 16, 2012, 08:55:51 PM »
A valid point, I must say.
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Anyone with a few hundred bucks can and likely always will be able to get their hands on firearms if they really want to seek it out.

And most of these people steal the guns from non-official sources as it is, but even the ones that get through legal channels doesn't prove they wouldn't have been able to find an underground source as well.
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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #44 on: December 16, 2012, 09:03:20 PM »
Fair enough, but I just don't see a right answer to this problem.  I don't think any regulation will solve the problem away, though seemingly banning semi-automatic would be a decent compromise.
It is not that simple. Would you rather get shot with a S&W 629 44 magnum revolver or a Ruger 22 semi-autmatic pistol?

I think we all agree something has to be done and we should start with are schools. We need highly trained plain clothes individuals at every school. These could be teachers if they so desire.
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