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Do You Own A Gun

Of Course
19 (20.2%)
No
33 (35.1%)
I plan on getting one eventually
41 (43.6%)
I used to
1 (1.1%)

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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #45 on: December 16, 2012, 09:15:30 PM »
It is not that simple. Would you rather get shot with a S&W 629 44 magnum revolver or a Ruger 22 semi-autmatic pistol?
Neither :P

I think we all agree something has to be done and we should start with are schools. We need highly trained plain clothes individuals at every school. These could be teachers if they so desire.
True.  But then people here start whining what if the teacher goes nuts...

But my favorite was when people went nuts that we were arming pilots. :D
Irony is just lost on some folks.
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Re: Re: Ban guns
« Reply #46 on: December 16, 2012, 09:23:10 PM »
Neither :P
True.  But then people here start whining what if the teacher goes nuts...

But my favorite was when people went nuts that we were arming pilots. :D
Irony is just lost on some folks.
True, but teachers looking to get armed will have to undergo extensive background checks and they can also be continually screened to make sure they are not going off the handle. Making them a much more controlled risk ,rather than to leave the school vulnerable to outsider lunatics

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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #47 on: December 16, 2012, 09:23:39 PM »
But my favorite was when people went nuts that we were arming pilots. :D
It is bad enough they are flying the plane drunk. Now you want to give them a gun also?  :)
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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #48 on: December 16, 2012, 10:51:54 PM »
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In the last few days, gun enthusiasts have pointed out and asked "If gun control works, what happened in China?".
Well, they survived.

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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #50 on: December 17, 2012, 01:57:35 AM »
Not the first two years and data points are hard to pin down from this era.

So in other words,  the Prohibition era disproves your theory but....
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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #51 on: December 17, 2012, 02:05:40 AM »
For some reason no one is talking about this, but guns also save many lives every year. This fact should clearly be in the debate.
Some Statistics:

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?action=post;quote=363196;topic=23146.0

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?action=post;quote=363201;topic=23146.0
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Re: Re: Ban guns
« Reply #52 on: December 17, 2012, 03:54:02 AM »
For some reason no one is talking about this, but guns also save many lives every year. This fact should clearly be in the debate.
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True, but they wouldn't have needed to defend themselves, had the perps not had guns.

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Re: Re: Ban guns
« Reply #53 on: December 17, 2012, 06:24:41 AM »

True, but they wouldn't have needed to defend themselves, had the perps not had guns.

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=23146.msg363196#msg363196

"Since the outset of the Chicago handgun ban(1982), the percentage of Chicago murders committed with handguns has averaged about 40% higher than it was before the law took effect.

In 2005, 96% of the firearm murder victims in Chicago were killed with handguns"

These were illegal handguns, The perps would of had them either way.

And then there are also many crimes which are commited without guns.

"Roughly 16,272 murders were committed in the United States during 2008. Of these, about 10,886 or 67% were committed with firearms"
and how about the other 33% that were commited without guns.

"Based on survey data from the U.S. Department of Justice, roughly 5,340,000 violent crimes were committed in the United States during 2008. These include simple/aggravated assaults, robberies, sexual assaults, rapes, and murders. Of these, about 436,000 or 8% were committed by offenders visibly armed with a gun"

Banning guns is not the solution. I believe de-regulation is.
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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #54 on: December 17, 2012, 07:00:49 AM »
So in other words,  the Prohibition era disproves your theory but....
::) ::) ::) Consumption went down the first two years.
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Re: Re: Ban guns
« Reply #55 on: December 17, 2012, 07:17:06 AM »
"Since the outset of the Chicago handgun ban(1982), the percentage of Chicago murders committed with handguns has averaged about 40% higher than it was before the law took effect.

In 2005, 96% of the firearm murder victims in Chicago were killed with handguns"

You love to use stats but refuse to answer questions about them. So I will try again.

Do you have any idea what is going on in Chicago? Where are the guns that are used in these crimes coming from?
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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #56 on: December 17, 2012, 08:03:47 AM »
::) ::) ::) Consumption went down the first two years.

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Re: Re: Ban guns
« Reply #57 on: December 17, 2012, 08:05:56 AM »
You love to use stats but refuse to answer questions about them. So I will try again.

What are you trying to imply? that the criminals got them elsewhere? And what makes you beleive that?

Either way, you missed the point. which is that after the handgun ban  "the percentage of Chicago murders committed with handguns has averaged about 40% higher than it was before the law took effect" Who cares where they illegally aquired their handguns?! Don't you think that the reason murders were higher had something to do with the lack of legal handguns by good citizens and that the criminals had less to fear?!
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Re: Re: Ban guns
« Reply #58 on: December 17, 2012, 08:13:06 AM »
What are you trying to imply? that the criminals got them elsewhere? And what makes you beleive that?
I asked two simple questions about something you posted. If you can't answer them then stop posting stats that you know nothing about.
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Re: Re: Ban guns
« Reply #59 on: December 17, 2012, 08:28:37 AM »
I asked two simple questions about something you posted. If you can't answer them then stop posting stats that you know nothing about.

You are trying to imply something with your questions which I can't exactly figure out what it is.
And your right, I should stop posting factual statistics in order for people to see the facts for themselve, because it dosen't fit into your agenda (like a typical democrat)  ::)
If you have statistics to contrary POST THEM. Don't try to unfairly imply otherwise by questioning without any proof.

Let the facts and statistics speak for themselves!!
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