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Do You Own A Gun

Of Course
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No
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I plan on getting one eventually
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I used to
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Re: Re: Ban guns
« Reply #60 on: December 17, 2012, 09:28:26 AM »
You are trying to imply something with your questions which I can't exactly figure out what it is.
I am not implying anything. I asked two simple questions.  Any five year old can use Google and post stats. Try thinking for yourself. Now can you answer the two simple questions or not?
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Re: Re: Ban guns
« Reply #61 on: December 17, 2012, 12:55:19 PM »
You are trying to imply something with your questions which I can't exactly figure out what it is.
And your right, I should stop posting factual statistics in order for people to see the facts for themselve, because it dosen't fit into your agenda (like a typical democrat)  ::)
If you have statistics to contrary POST THEM. Don't try to unfairly imply otherwise by questioning without any proof.

Let the facts and statistics speak for themselves!!

Just wanted to point out that facts and statistics are two vastly different things...

For example;
More statistics:

Since the outset of the Chicago handgun ban, the Chicago murder rate has averaged 17% lower than it was before the law took effect, while the U.S. murder rate has averaged 25% lower.

It is unfair to compare Chicago to the US generally. one can make statistical comparisons only within the sampled population... In other words you did not take any other factors into account, such as gang potential, unemployment, and other pertinent data points.

For a better understanding read Freakonomics... In fact I believe there is a movie now as well.

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Re: Re: Ban guns
« Reply #62 on: December 17, 2012, 01:23:20 PM »
For a better understanding read Freakonomics... In fact I believe there is a movie now as well.
Another good read is:
Proofiness: The Dark Arts of Mathematical Deception
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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #63 on: December 17, 2012, 01:25:34 PM »
Good idea for a thread- gr8 books. I like "Traffic"

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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #64 on: December 19, 2012, 05:03:00 PM »
It seems that the assault style weapons are likely to be banned sometime in 2013.

My question is will this actually change anything?  Would Sandy Hook or Aurora have been less deadly if the nut-jobs only had a shotgun? Or is this just a feel-good change?
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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #65 on: December 19, 2012, 05:10:30 PM »
It seems that the assault style weapons are likely to be banned sometime in 2013.

My question is will this actually change anything?  Would Sandy Hook or Aurora have been less deadly if the nut-jobs only had a shotgun? Or is this just a feel-good change?

Well, Aurora definitley would have been different. But overall this is a feel good change, the bigger picture needs to include more access to mental health, a Serious debate of the violence on TV and in Games and a discussion on making guns more accessible in schools etc;
The percentage of these automatic weapons used in crimes is very very very slim.
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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #66 on: December 19, 2012, 05:13:24 PM »
The percentage of these automatic weapons used in crimes is very very very slim.
What crimes have an automatic weapon been used in?
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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #67 on: December 19, 2012, 05:15:46 PM »
My question is will this actually change anything?  Would Sandy Hook or Aurora have been less deadly if the nut-jobs only had a shotgun? Or is this just a feel-good change?
1 - In the short run no but long term it will.
2 - Most likely.
3 - At first it will be.

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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #68 on: December 19, 2012, 05:17:46 PM »
1. No. (a crazed maniac with 6 loaded shotguns and endless ammo for his Sig Sauer isn't meaningfully different than a dude with an assault rifle in terms of the amount dead.)
2. No, not really. (a crazed maniac with 6 loaded shotguns and endless ammo for his Sig Sauer could kill just as many people as were killed).
3. Absolutely.
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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #69 on: December 19, 2012, 05:18:14 PM »
1 - In the short run no but long term it will.
2 - Most likely.
3 - At first it will be.
How would Sandy Hook have played out if he only had a shotgun?
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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #70 on: December 19, 2012, 05:46:57 PM »
How would Sandy Hook have played out if he only had a shotgun?
It is hard to say. Shotguns hold a lot less and take more time to reload. Would this have given someone the opportunity to subdue him? We also need to remember with such young children involved almost any gunshot wound can be fatal.

I guess the way I look at it is what we have been doing is not working. We just canít keep going down this road. I am willing to give up some of my guns rights to give it a try. The problem is many believe the end game is a total ban on all guns. That is something I could never support.
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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #71 on: December 19, 2012, 05:51:40 PM »
It seems that the assault style weapons are likely to be banned sometime in 2013.


When you write "Assault style" does that include semi-automatic?
Because in Aurora he used a semi-auto AR15 and if that had been banned obviously the outcome would have been different.
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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #72 on: December 19, 2012, 05:55:52 PM »
When you write "Assault style" does that include semi-automatic?
Do you know of any "assault style" rifle that is not semi-auto? It seems there is a misunderstanding between semi-auto and auto.
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Re: Ban guns
« Reply #73 on: December 19, 2012, 05:59:17 PM »
The problem is many believe the end game is a total ban on all guns. That is something I could never support.
I do think that is the eventual goal.  If the Ds still had a supermajority they might have even tried to pull that off now while the iron is hot...
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« Reply #74 on: December 19, 2012, 06:05:24 PM »
I do think that is the eventual goal.  If the Ds still had a supermajority they might have even tried to pull that off now while the iron is hot...
I don't believe it is the end game either but many do. No matter what the Dems want we have a thing called the Constitution. I don't think even the liberals on the court would uphold a total gun ban law.
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