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What are blockchains and bitcoins and what is the difference?
A blockchain is the fundamental element in a crypto currency system. A blockchain is an accounting ledger. Each block contains a bunch of journal entries (i.e. a chronological record of transactions) that gets encrypted (by miners) but can be downloaded and read by anyone on the network. Why the blockchain ledger is secure and how we can vouch for its integrity is a slightly more advanced topic.

An accounting ledger typically keeps track of money, and a blockchain is no different. But the only type of money that it can accurately track is digital money that lives on the blockchain network. So dollars, euros, etc are out. The digital money that lives on the blockchain is called a crypto currency, and the most well-known one at this time is Bitcoin.

Currently there are a few major blockchain networks: the Bitcoin Network, the Ethereum Network, and the Litecoin Network. Each one has its own currency, which are Bitcoin, Ether, and Litecoin, respectively.

I’m just a simple DDFer and not an accountant + cryptographer + hacker all at the same time. Can you make this a little simpler to understand?
Let’s try an analogy. There is a certain website called Dansdeals.com and it has quite a following. Some of the followers are just users/readers but others are more active and produce value for the website. When they provide value, they earn currency for their work – called “EQP” and “HT”. So we have something we will call the Dansdeals Blockchain Network that is simply a record keeper of various ongoing deals and it issues a native currency that is fractionable (10,000 EQP = 1 HT). This is similar to the Blockchain network recording financial transactions and issuing bitcoins. The ones who work for the network (miners) earn bitcoins and everyone else needs to buy it to participate.

The analogy improves if you imagine that the Dansdeals website visitors have to pay a small amount, let’s say 5 EQP, in order to access a deal or a code that is recorded on the network. If the website has 30,000 followers who love deals, but only 1,000 active members who earn EQP, then you can see that there is a need for a marketplace to be created where you can buy EQP for later use.

Of course, websites are not networks, and this analogy is far from perfect. But useful.

How much is a Bitcoin worth
No one knows. A few people are speculating its worth based on the potential that Bitcoin will one day become a major world currency that people use in their daily lives. Most people though are speculating its worth based on what the next new investor will pay them for it (google “Greater Fool Investing”).

Even if a crypto currency becomes dominant, who says it will be Bitcoin? Maybe it will be Schmitcoin?
This is completely possible. Bitcoin and Ether are the most likely at this point, but their long term survival is not at all guaranteed.

So why all the fuss about Bitcoin? Shouldn’t we wait for Schmitcoin and its cousins to come out?
You could, but you don’t want to ignore how hard it is to start up a network from scratch. It may be that as little as one person can create rival code to compete with the existing digital currencies and blockchains, but one person is not a network. You need a lot of highly technical and motivated people to join you and also to invest their time, energy, and money in making that network run. It’s a highly specialized group of people, and most of the people who would fit that profile are already tied up with an existing network. So it’s not impossible, especially in the long-term, but even if it does happen it would be unlikely to pop up overnight and so Vegas odds for Bitcoin are way shorter.

Let’s go back to the Dansdeals analogy. Imagine that Dansdeals is not the only such website, and there are other websites in existence that provide similar services. For the sake of the analogy let’s call them MMS and OMAAT. They too have big enough followings to survive independently, and even though each one offers a slightly different flavor that differentiates them, anyone on one of the networks could also get their most important needs met on one of the other networks. In this analogy, do you think it’s worth collecting EQP/HT or not? After all, Schmansdeals.com could open up one day and all the business could move there.

The argument for the difficulty of starting up a rival blockchain network is much stronger than in the analogy (especially if we start to include “smart contracts” in the discussion), but the basic idea that you need a critical mass of follows to be successful and compete with existing rivals is the same.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1000 on: March 28, 2018, 11:02:11 PM »
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I have $170K credit card debt. I am not a big spender and have pretty good credit at 740 now. I make $100K or so a year. I drive a 14 years old Camry with 240K miles. I don’t have a house. I don’t plan on buying a house or a car soon so a dip in credit temporarily will not affect me much.

I invested that money in crypto and crypto tanked 70%.

I want to pay back the banks but I will need more time. I am hoping when cypto pick up end of 2018 or early 2019, I will be able to pay back credit card companies.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1001 on: March 29, 2018, 12:45:13 AM »
#TYH

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« Reply #1002 on: March 29, 2018, 12:45:57 AM »
where is this quoted from?
Someone who went to CB for help.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1003 on: March 29, 2018, 12:46:41 AM »
#TYH

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« Reply #1004 on: March 29, 2018, 12:47:09 AM »
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1005 on: March 29, 2018, 01:03:28 AM »
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Sheesh.  Im sure many others got into the same debt even not on credit cards...
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« Reply #1006 on: March 29, 2018, 01:04:21 AM »
Sheesh.  Im sure many others got into the same debt even not on credit cards...
Someone there had a valid point, that this is the reason they stopped letting buying crypto with CC.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1007 on: April 05, 2018, 04:52:34 PM »
This thread has been dead. What happen to our guru's? Is it time to buy or are we almost at the end?  :)
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« Reply #1008 on: April 05, 2018, 04:54:20 PM »
This thread has been dead. What happen to our guru's? Is it time to buy or are we almost at the end?  :)
They have been moving over to credit boards :) :)
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1010 on: April 10, 2018, 12:20:40 AM »
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-09/bitcoin-seen-popping-like-the-greatest-bubbles-by-bofa

Why is this article notable? Its what nearly every major news outlet and bank has been saying for months. See up thread for a long debate about crypto bubble.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1011 on: April 10, 2018, 12:29:25 AM »
Are we almost at the end yet?
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1012 on: April 10, 2018, 12:35:30 AM »
Are we almost at the end yet?

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1013 on: April 10, 2018, 12:45:12 AM »
Are we almost at the end yet?
It ain’t over till it’s over.... but when it’s over, it’s over...

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« Reply #1018 on: April 28, 2018, 04:42:27 PM »
So how long before he ventures into the space also?
Time will tell.
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