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What are blockchains and bitcoins and what is the difference?
A blockchain is the fundamental element in a crypto currency system. A blockchain is an accounting ledger. Each block contains a bunch of journal entries (i.e. a chronological record of transactions) that gets encrypted (by miners) but can be downloaded and read by anyone on the network. Why the blockchain ledger is secure and how we can vouch for its integrity is a slightly more advanced topic.

An accounting ledger typically keeps track of money, and a blockchain is no different. But the only type of money that it can accurately track is digital money that lives on the blockchain network. So dollars, euros, etc are out. The digital money that lives on the blockchain is called a crypto currency, and the most well-known one at this time is Bitcoin.

Currently there are a few major blockchain networks: the Bitcoin Network, the Ethereum Network, and the Litecoin Network. Each one has its own currency, which are Bitcoin, Ether, and Litecoin, respectively.

I’m just a simple DDFer and not an accountant + cryptographer + hacker all at the same time. Can you make this a little simpler to understand?
Let’s try an analogy. There is a certain website called Dansdeals.com and it has quite a following. Some of the followers are just users/readers but others are more active and produce value for the website. When they provide value, they earn currency for their work – called “EQP” and “HT”. So we have something we will call the Dansdeals Blockchain Network that is simply a record keeper of various ongoing deals and it issues a native currency that is fractionable (10,000 EQP = 1 HT). This is similar to the Blockchain network recording financial transactions and issuing bitcoins. The ones who work for the network (miners) earn bitcoins and everyone else needs to buy it to participate.

The analogy improves if you imagine that the Dansdeals website visitors have to pay a small amount, let’s say 5 EQP, in order to access a deal or a code that is recorded on the network. If the website has 30,000 followers who love deals, but only 1,000 active members who earn EQP, then you can see that there is a need for a marketplace to be created where you can buy EQP for later use.

Of course, websites are not networks, and this analogy is far from perfect. But useful.

How much is a Bitcoin worth
No one knows. A few people are speculating its worth based on the potential that Bitcoin will one day become a major world currency that people use in their daily lives. Most people though are speculating its worth based on what the next new investor will pay them for it (google “Greater Fool Investing”).

Even if a crypto currency becomes dominant, who says it will be Bitcoin? Maybe it will be Schmitcoin?
This is completely possible. Bitcoin and Ether are the most likely at this point, but their long term survival is not at all guaranteed.

So why all the fuss about Bitcoin? Shouldn’t we wait for Schmitcoin and its cousins to come out?
You could, but you don’t want to ignore how hard it is to start up a network from scratch. It may be that as little as one person can create rival code to compete with the existing digital currencies and blockchains, but one person is not a network. You need a lot of highly technical and motivated people to join you and also to invest their time, energy, and money in making that network run. It’s a highly specialized group of people, and most of the people who would fit that profile are already tied up with an existing network. So it’s not impossible, especially in the long-term, but even if it does happen it would be unlikely to pop up overnight and so Vegas odds for Bitcoin are way shorter.

Let’s go back to the Dansdeals analogy. Imagine that Dansdeals is not the only such website, and there are other websites in existence that provide similar services. For the sake of the analogy let’s call them MMS and OMAAT. They too have big enough followings to survive independently, and even though each one offers a slightly different flavor that differentiates them, anyone on one of the networks could also get their most important needs met on one of the other networks. In this analogy, do you think it’s worth collecting EQP/HT or not? After all, Schmansdeals.com could open up one day and all the business could move there.

The argument for the difficulty of starting up a rival blockchain network is much stronger than in the analogy (especially if we start to include “smart contracts” in the discussion), but the basic idea that you need a critical mass of follows to be successful and compete with existing rivals is the same.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #580 on: December 22, 2017, 11:51:22 AM »
Those should know better who they are dealing with.

FTR, I have given loans to people with the expectation of never getting repaid. If I do get repaid, it goes back into the fund for these purposes. As a matter of fact I actually once scalded one such person for avoiding me and not asking me for help anymore, and when he said that he still owes me, I just told him to forget about that one.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #581 on: December 22, 2017, 11:53:07 AM »
Those should know better who they are dealing with.
True but their love clouds their judgement.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #582 on: December 22, 2017, 11:54:27 AM »
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Nothing special. It's done out of maaser gelt. As I said, if it get repaid, the funds are recycled for other good purposes.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #583 on: December 22, 2017, 11:54:49 AM »
This is pretty insane, thinking of changing my orginizations name to cryptoblockchainbitcurrency.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/factbox-companies-change-names-businesses-154208618.html
(Reuters) - Many obscure companies are pivoting operations or changing their names to cash-in on the cryptocurrency wave, in a trend reminiscent of the dotcom boom. Beverage maker Long Island Iced Tea ...

How is this not a bubble?
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/12/iced-tea-company-stock-triples-after-adding-blockchain-to-name/
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #584 on: December 22, 2017, 11:54:56 AM »
Definitely, that is what I am using.  :)
How's your trade doing?  :)
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« Reply #585 on: December 22, 2017, 11:55:16 AM »
Nothing special. It's done out of maaser gelt. As I said, if it get repaid, the funds are recycled for other good purposes.
still a nice thing!

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #586 on: December 22, 2017, 12:09:35 PM »
Coinbase suspended trading. 

Can you still get out on a different marketplace?
How can a legitimate company do that??
How's your trade doing?  :)
The argument won't be won like that. He ( and others ) will tell you that they bought today for 11,400 and it's up to 13K...
Those should know better who they are dealing with.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #587 on: December 22, 2017, 12:13:50 PM »
The argument won't be won like that. He ( and others ) will tell you that they bought today for 11,400 and it's up to 13K...
He sold (shorted) at the top with a trailing stop.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #588 on: December 22, 2017, 12:45:40 PM »
Bitcoin cash down to $0 now on coinbase  ;D

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #589 on: December 22, 2017, 12:46:04 PM »
Coinbase is temporarily suspended for crypto purchases. Anyone know of any other secure sites working now?

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #590 on: December 22, 2017, 12:56:01 PM »
How can a legitimate company do that??

The same way any site can crash.
GDAX is down completely for me now.
They simply can't handle the volume.
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« Reply #591 on: December 22, 2017, 12:56:40 PM »
Bitcoin cash down to $0 now on coinbase  ;D
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #592 on: December 22, 2017, 12:56:52 PM »
Bitcoin cash down to $0 now on coinbase  ;D

Trading is suspended, price is at $2400
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #593 on: December 22, 2017, 09:16:43 PM »
You joined DDF and asked a bunch of strangers what to do in your first post??Sad.

Was told Tues night about a guy in shul that has no job borrowed 20k from ppl to buy bitcoins....

This is where it gets scary...
Very sad, my nephew did not listen to me and bought close to the highs.
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« Reply #594 on: December 22, 2017, 09:24:43 PM »
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« Reply #595 on: December 22, 2017, 10:13:41 PM »
How can a legitimate company do that?? The argument won't be won like that. He ( and others ) will tell you that they bought today for 11,400 and it's up to 13K...
I placed charts for every trade I took, in real time, see below when i started shorting bit-coin futures, I closed 1/2 my position today at $11961, will keep the remaining half with a stop.
Check the stocks thread, i caught the exact bottom of EFX to the penny, bought palladium futures which I am still long with $10000+ per contract , an entry with a chart was posted, I have been trading for a very long time,  using a unique approach I learned in person  from one of the trading legends featured in the nineties best seller book Market Wizards,  of course I can be wrong sometimes, but if I am i get out immediately , i do not get stubborn or fight the trend.  :)
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« Reply #596 on: December 23, 2017, 09:14:43 PM »
I placed charts for every trade I took, in real time, see below when i started shorting bit-coin futures, I closed 1/2 my position today at $11961, will keep the remaining half with a stop.
Check the stocks thread, i caught the exact bottom of EFX to the penny, bought palladium futures which I am still long with $10000+ per contract , an entry with a chart was posted, I have been trading for a very long time,  using a unique approach I learned in person  from one of the trading legends featured in the nineties best seller book Market Wizards,  of course I can be wrong sometimes, but if I am i get out immediately , i do not get stubborn or fight the trend.  :)
How about starting a thread with your trades or maybe put them in the wiki?
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« Reply #597 on: December 23, 2017, 11:54:29 PM »
How about starting a thread with your trades or maybe put them in the wiki?
Thanks, I will .
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