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What are blockchains and bitcoins and what is the difference?
A blockchain is the fundamental element in a crypto currency system. A blockchain is an accounting ledger. Each block contains a bunch of journal entries (i.e. a chronological record of transactions) that gets encrypted (by miners) but can be downloaded and read by anyone on the network. Why the blockchain ledger is secure and how we can vouch for its integrity is a slightly more advanced topic.

An accounting ledger typically keeps track of money, and a blockchain is no different. But the only type of money that it can accurately track is digital money that lives on the blockchain network. So dollars, euros, etc are out. The digital money that lives on the blockchain is called a crypto currency, and the most well-known one at this time is Bitcoin.

Currently there are a few major blockchain networks: the Bitcoin Network, the Ethereum Network, and the Litecoin Network. Each one has its own currency, which are Bitcoin, Ether, and Litecoin, respectively.

I’m just a simple DDFer and not an accountant + cryptographer + hacker all at the same time. Can you make this a little simpler to understand?
Let’s try an analogy. There is a certain website called Dansdeals.com and it has quite a following. Some of the followers are just users/readers but others are more active and produce value for the website. When they provide value, they earn currency for their work – called “EQP” and “HT”. So we have something we will call the Dansdeals Blockchain Network that is simply a record keeper of various ongoing deals and it issues a native currency that is fractionable (10,000 EQP = 1 HT). This is similar to the Blockchain network recording financial transactions and issuing bitcoins. The ones who work for the network (miners) earn bitcoins and everyone else needs to buy it to participate.

The analogy improves if you imagine that the Dansdeals website visitors have to pay a small amount, let’s say 5 EQP, in order to access a deal or a code that is recorded on the network. If the website has 30,000 followers who love deals, but only 1,000 active members who earn EQP, then you can see that there is a need for a marketplace to be created where you can buy EQP for later use.

Of course, websites are not networks, and this analogy is far from perfect. But useful.

How much is a Bitcoin worth
No one knows. A few people are speculating its worth based on the potential that Bitcoin will one day become a major world currency that people use in their daily lives. Most people though are speculating its worth based on what the next new investor will pay them for it (google “Greater Fool Investing”).

Even if a crypto currency becomes dominant, who says it will be Bitcoin? Maybe it will be Schmitcoin?
This is completely possible. Bitcoin and Ether are the most likely at this point, but their long term survival is not at all guaranteed.

So why all the fuss about Bitcoin? Shouldn’t we wait for Schmitcoin and its cousins to come out?
You could, but you don’t want to ignore how hard it is to start up a network from scratch. It may be that as little as one person can create rival code to compete with the existing digital currencies and blockchains, but one person is not a network. You need a lot of highly technical and motivated people to join you and also to invest their time, energy, and money in making that network run. It’s a highly specialized group of people, and most of the people who would fit that profile are already tied up with an existing network. So it’s not impossible, especially in the long-term, but even if it does happen it would be unlikely to pop up overnight and so Vegas odds for Bitcoin are way shorter.

Let’s go back to the Dansdeals analogy. Imagine that Dansdeals is not the only such website, and there are other websites in existence that provide similar services. For the sake of the analogy let’s call them MMS and OMAAT. They too have big enough followings to survive independently, and even though each one offers a slightly different flavor that differentiates them, anyone on one of the networks could also get their most important needs met on one of the other networks. In this analogy, do you think it’s worth collecting EQP/HT or not? After all, Schmansdeals.com could open up one day and all the business could move there.

The argument for the difficulty of starting up a rival blockchain network is much stronger than in the analogy (especially if we start to include “smart contracts” in the discussion), but the basic idea that you need a critical mass of follows to be successful and compete with existing rivals is the same.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #460 on: December 11, 2017, 11:09:01 AM »
How can that be? Everyone put in an initial amount.

Additionally growth to an investment even digitaly can't be considered air.( Unless it busts )

I assume a lot is owned by the early ppl, and the creator.

Also, if we're all right, and it busts like a tulip, yes, we'll all consider our air.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #461 on: December 11, 2017, 11:13:57 AM »
So what? Hai shtara chaspa bialma
Not getting your point. If 400 billion of wealth is wiped out it can cause a global financial mess. And while your right that it's just a digital block, it's real $$ to the investor that could cash out at any time.

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« Reply #462 on: December 11, 2017, 11:17:26 AM »
Not getting your point. If 400 billion of wealth is wiped out it can cause a global financial mess. And while your right that it's just a digital block, it's real $$ to the investor that could cash out at any time.

I'm not convinced.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #464 on: December 11, 2017, 12:04:55 PM »
I just don't see how 400 billion of "value", half of which didn't exist a week and a half ago, and the other half of which is held by a handful of teenagers in China and by the founder, can have much of an effect on the global markets when it disappears.


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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #465 on: December 11, 2017, 12:29:20 PM »
I just don't see how 400 billion of "value", half of which didn't exist a week and a half ago, and the other half of which is held by a handful of teenagers in China and by the founder, can have much of an effect on the global markets when it disappears.


Bitcoin is also not interconnected with other major markets. The main issue with Lehman was how they were interconnected into many markets as well as what it showed about other securities.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #466 on: December 11, 2017, 12:40:55 PM »
I just don't see how 400 billion of "value", half of which didn't exist a week and a half ago, and the other half of which is held by a handful of teenagers in China and by the founder, can have much of an effect on the global markets when it disappears.

Agree. No wealth vanishes if this crumbles, it just remains transfered to those who sold earlier. If a bunch of whales get wiped out then wealth has moved down the economic ladder. If the bubble is kept alive until the whales exit then it hits the average joes. Obviously the second scenario is more likely because whales are whales. So wealth transfers up is likelier as usual
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #467 on: December 11, 2017, 03:09:37 PM »
It has a $400 Billion market cap. There is a lot of equity out there in it
Now with futures it can be mush more, plus it's interconnected with the global market. Personally I don't see a global crisis.

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« Reply #468 on: December 11, 2017, 04:08:58 PM »
plus it's interconnected with the global market.
How so?
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #469 on: December 11, 2017, 04:40:02 PM »
I'm not convinced.
I didn't say that it will, just that it can.
That's obvious.
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I just don't see how 400 billion of "value", half of which didn't exist a week and a half ago, and the other half of which is held by a handful of teenagers in China and by the founder, can have much of an effect on the global markets when it disappears.
The longer it lasts to larger effect it will (can) have.

If a bunch of these "Chinese teens" are investing, racking up CC bills, Mortgage, etc. It can (will) have an effect.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #471 on: December 11, 2017, 05:02:45 PM »
Oh well. https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/940312791155707905
I didn't say that it will, just that it can.LolThe longer it lasts to larger effect it will (can) have.

If a bunch of these "Chinese teens" are investing, racking up CC bills, Mortgage, etc. It can (will) have an effect.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #473 on: December 12, 2017, 02:27:34 PM »
Litecoin up 55% in 1 day ;D, the mania is moving to all other crypto, see chart below, can't be a more perfect parabolic rise.

https://www.tradingview.com/x/0XvQ43F2/
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #474 on: December 12, 2017, 03:17:46 PM »
Litecoin up 55% in 1 day ;D, the mania is moving to all other crypto, see chart below, can't be a more perfect parabolic rise.

https://www.tradingview.com/x/0XvQ43F2/
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #475 on: December 12, 2017, 03:22:54 PM »
Made B"H in a few days almost 100% profit.
Already cashed out.shapinator@gmail.com

On how much?

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #476 on: December 12, 2017, 03:33:49 PM »
On how much?
It was more like a trial.
Not so much.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #477 on: December 12, 2017, 03:39:48 PM »
It was more like a trial.
So now that you "whet your appetite", you're stepping away?

Keep your principal, keep half your profit and "play" with the rest.

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« Reply #478 on: December 12, 2017, 03:53:32 PM »
So now that you "whet your appetite", you're stepping away?

Keep your principal, keep half your profit and "play" with the rest.
I'm not backing out.
Wanted to try.
Now I'm going back iy"h.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #479 on: December 12, 2017, 04:24:34 PM »
Litecoin up 55% in 1 day ;D, the mania is moving to all other crypto, see chart below, can't be a more perfect parabolic rise.

https://www.tradingview.com/x/0XvQ43F2/

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