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What are blockchains and bitcoins and what is the difference?
A blockchain is the fundamental element in a crypto currency system. A blockchain is an accounting ledger. Each block contains a bunch of journal entries (i.e. a chronological record of transactions) that gets encrypted (by miners) but can be downloaded and read by anyone on the network. Why the blockchain ledger is secure and how we can vouch for its integrity is a slightly more advanced topic.

An accounting ledger typically keeps track of money, and a blockchain is no different. But the only type of money that it can accurately track is digital money that lives on the blockchain network. So dollars, euros, etc are out. The digital money that lives on the blockchain is called a crypto currency, and the most well-known one at this time is Bitcoin.

Currently there are a few major blockchain networks: the Bitcoin Network, the Ethereum Network, and the Litecoin Network. Each one has its own currency, which are Bitcoin, Ether, and Litecoin, respectively.

I’m just a simple DDFer and not an accountant + cryptographer + hacker all at the same time. Can you make this a little simpler to understand?
Let’s try an analogy. There is a certain website called Dansdeals.com and it has quite a following. Some of the followers are just users/readers but others are more active and produce value for the website. When they provide value, they earn currency for their work – called “EQP” and “HT”. So we have something we will call the Dansdeals Blockchain Network that is simply a record keeper of various ongoing deals and it issues a native currency that is fractionable (10,000 EQP = 1 HT). This is similar to the Blockchain network recording financial transactions and issuing bitcoins. The ones who work for the network (miners) earn bitcoins and everyone else needs to buy it to participate.

The analogy improves if you imagine that the Dansdeals website visitors have to pay a small amount, let’s say 5 EQP, in order to access a deal or a code that is recorded on the network. If the website has 30,000 followers who love deals, but only 1,000 active members who earn EQP, then you can see that there is a need for a marketplace to be created where you can buy EQP for later use.

Of course, websites are not networks, and this analogy is far from perfect. But useful.

How much is a Bitcoin worth
No one knows. A few people are speculating its worth based on the potential that Bitcoin will one day become a major world currency that people use in their daily lives. Most people though are speculating its worth based on what the next new investor will pay them for it (google “Greater Fool Investing”).

Even if a crypto currency becomes dominant, who says it will be Bitcoin? Maybe it will be Schmitcoin?
This is completely possible. Bitcoin and Ether are the most likely at this point, but their long term survival is not at all guaranteed.

So why all the fuss about Bitcoin? Shouldn’t we wait for Schmitcoin and its cousins to come out?
You could, but you don’t want to ignore how hard it is to start up a network from scratch. It may be that as little as one person can create rival code to compete with the existing digital currencies and blockchains, but one person is not a network. You need a lot of highly technical and motivated people to join you and also to invest their time, energy, and money in making that network run. It’s a highly specialized group of people, and most of the people who would fit that profile are already tied up with an existing network. So it’s not impossible, especially in the long-term, but even if it does happen it would be unlikely to pop up overnight and so Vegas odds for Bitcoin are way shorter.

Let’s go back to the Dansdeals analogy. Imagine that Dansdeals is not the only such website, and there are other websites in existence that provide similar services. For the sake of the analogy let’s call them MMS and OMAAT. They too have big enough followings to survive independently, and even though each one offers a slightly different flavor that differentiates them, anyone on one of the networks could also get their most important needs met on one of the other networks. In this analogy, do you think it’s worth collecting EQP/HT or not? After all, Schmansdeals.com could open up one day and all the business could move there.

The argument for the difficulty of starting up a rival blockchain network is much stronger than in the analogy (especially if we start to include “smart contracts” in the discussion), but the basic idea that you need a critical mass of follows to be successful and compete with existing rivals is the same.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #800 on: January 18, 2018, 07:59:27 PM »
There is also a physical limit to the amount of gold as opposed to encrypted numbers which are infinite.

There is also a finite amount of Bitcoin.
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« Reply #801 on: January 18, 2018, 08:00:16 PM »
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« Reply #802 on: January 18, 2018, 08:00:22 PM »
There is also a finite amount of Bitcoin.
But not of crypto. Do you want to talk bitcoin or do you want to talk crypto?
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« Reply #803 on: January 18, 2018, 08:15:27 PM »
But not of crypto. Do you want to talk bitcoin or do you want to talk crypto?

I did not want to talk about all crypto because some are not finite.
And I responded to your logic already - there is an infinite supply of paper money as well.
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« Reply #804 on: January 18, 2018, 08:31:02 PM »
I did not want to talk about all crypto because some are not finite.
And I responded to your logic already - there is an infinite supply of paper money as well.
Only if you are a government
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #805 on: January 18, 2018, 08:42:38 PM »
Only if you are a government

You believe only governments can create currencies?
I can print out paper money all day long.
And I can even add lots of USD to my bank account.

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« Reply #806 on: January 18, 2018, 08:43:30 PM »
You believe only governments can create currencies?
I can print out paper money all day long.
And I can even add lots of USD to my bank account.


So go ahead
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« Reply #807 on: January 18, 2018, 08:46:31 PM »
So go ahead

Just curious if you had a point at all
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« Reply #808 on: January 18, 2018, 08:48:12 PM »
Just curious if you had a point at all
By why don't you go ahead? It will be much more profitable than your current business.
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« Reply #809 on: January 18, 2018, 08:49:46 PM »
By why don't you go ahead? It will be much more profitable than your current business.

Ok just get to your point already so I can answer with my question.
Why is the ability to print out money that no one values different than the ability to create encrypted numbers that no one values?
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« Reply #810 on: January 18, 2018, 08:51:31 PM »
Ok just get to your point already so I can answer with my question.
Why is the ability to print out money that no one values different than the ability to create encrypted numbers that no one values?
Because I need it to pay taxes.
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« Reply #811 on: January 18, 2018, 08:53:27 PM »
Because I need it to pay taxes.

You don't pay taxes because your from a SH and have no income.
How are you going to protect yourself when selling drugs?
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« Reply #812 on: January 18, 2018, 08:55:16 PM »
Because I need it to pay taxes.

You didn't answer the question.
Why do you believe that the ability to create worthless crypto affects the value of crypto, but creating worthless paper money does not affect the value of USD?
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« Reply #813 on: January 18, 2018, 08:59:59 PM »
You didn't answer the question.
Why do you believe that the ability to create worthless crypto affects the value of crypto, but creating worthless paper money does not affect the value of USD?
Yes because your valuation was that others were better than bitcoin. Once another one is better than any of these simply by being easier to use our more easily available people will move to that one.
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« Reply #814 on: January 18, 2018, 09:00:37 PM »
You don't pay taxes because your from a SH and have no income.
How are you going to protect yourself when selling drugs?
Either way for them to use it they need to convert it to dollars
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« Reply #815 on: January 18, 2018, 09:08:55 PM »
Yes because your valuation was that others were better than bitcoin. Once another one is better than any of these simply by being easier to use our more easily available people will move to that one.

There is more than 1 way to use money. And some coins are better for different use cases.
Bitcoin still has major infrastructure advantages as it is the gatekeeper to other alts and is by far the most popular and well known coin around the world. I predict it will have a decent future alongside other cryptos as long as it improves a bit on some of the issues it has today.
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« Reply #816 on: January 19, 2018, 12:03:08 AM »
There is more than 1 way to use money. And some coins are better for different use cases.
Bitcoin still has major infrastructure advantages as it is the gatekeeper to other alts and is by far the most popular and well known coin around the world. I predict it will have a decent future alongside other cryptos as long as it improves a bit on some of the issues it has today.
Be careful with predictions.

Palm and Blackberry, had major advantages early on and for many years.

Or see this: http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/myspace-facebook-and-other-social-networking-sites-hot-today-gone-tomorrow/

The same could apply to Bitcoin or to any of the crypto currencies you see as promising today.
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« Reply #817 on: January 19, 2018, 12:12:27 AM »
Be careful with predictions.

Palm and Blackberry, had major advantages early on and for many years.

Or see this: http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/myspace-facebook-and-other-social-networking-sites-hot-today-gone-tomorrow/

The same could apply to Bitcoin or to any of the crypto currencies you see as promising today.

I agree with all this.
If you knew about the Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash debate (more like war) and the side I’m on you’d realize I’m not that bullish on BTC. Some people just love to pronounce things as dead way before it’s time and I won’t make that mistake either. If only I had a nickel for every time someone said retail or bitcoin is dead, I’d have a lot of bitcoin. For fun read this- https://99bitcoins.com/bitcoinobituaries/
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« Reply #818 on: January 19, 2018, 04:02:53 AM »


We are on 2 different pages.
Crypto as technology and crypto as an investment.

While the tech is revolutionary, I believe we are in the equivalent of mainframe computing days. The tech is not built out yet for worldwide use like a PC, but it will get there in a number of years (let's say 10) as it's features and adoption grows.

Crypto as an investment is very high because people believe it will be as widespread as a PC eventually, or they simply like to gamble. Overall the market as whole is ahead of itself and overvalued, but as time goes on, and adoption spreads, it's utility and value will be much greater than today.

There are 3 pages:
Blockchain/crypto as a technology
Crypto as a currency
Crypto as an investment


Currencies generally have something backing them up that gives it value. The USD used to be backed by gold, and while it's not backed by anything solid right now, it's backed by the US GDP (about $19T in 2017). Crypto is not backed by anything. Many view it as merely a trading token for other currencies. The notion that the currency has any intrinsic value is difficult back up. Monopoly is a wonderful game, and the trademark may be worth billions, but that doesn't necessarily give it's currency value. The skeptics may not understand blockchain, but many believers may also not understand currency.


(The USD and almost all currencies are also barter tools, but there is a GDP being bartered that it is assigned as legal tender to represent.)
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #819 on: January 20, 2018, 10:45:17 PM »
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-19/as-bitcoin-sinks-crypto-bros-party-hard-on-a-blockchain-cruise

What does this say about the asset class, if anything?

As an outsider (no position one way or another), it scares me. Seems like there's more to it than just cool headed valuation.
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