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Hong Kong Island:
Things to do:
-Victoria Peak (tram),
-Ngong Ping 360 Glass bottom cable car (big Buddha),
-Downtown area
-Pink dolphin watching
-Ozone  Bar
-Tailors (Jantzen, tai panin admiraltyi cntr)
-Big Bus Tour
-Star ferry to Kowloon

Kosher Grocery Stores:
KosherMart On Hong Kong Island in the JCC
Kosher Original in Kowloon

Where to eat:
JCC Sunday night buffet can't be missed.
JCC Pizza - (Not open in the Summer)
Seven Zero - Dairy Resturant in the JCC
JCC Chinese
Shalom grill restaurant reported permanently closed by Mech
Shalom grill kosher market

Places to stay:
Grand Hyatt hotel
Mandarin Oriental Hotel
Four Seasons

Kowloon:
Things to do:
-8:00pm Laser show
-Ladies market
-Ave. of stars- pier
-Museums (science, space)
-Diamond hill- nan lian garden/chi Lin nunnery
-Big Bus Tour
-Star ferry to Hong Kong Island
-Drinks at Felix (Peninsula Hotel)
-Drinks in the Lobby (Intercontinental Hotel)


Only place to eat:
Mul Hayam Restaurant at Kehilat Zion (Breakfast is now $100 HKD)

Places to stay:
The W Hotel - Great Hotel but far from Synagogues
Grand Stamford Intercontinental Hotel - next to Chabad (for Shabbos),
Intercontinental Hong Kong, Sheraton, Shangri la , Peninsula, Hyatt regency. (All these hotels are in great locations if you would like to be near KZ. You can also walk through the TST subway station to KZ from all these except IC Grand Stamford and Shangri La which is next door) 

Shuls
Kehilat Zion -Location: Unit 105, 1/F Wing On Plaza 62 Mody Road East Tsim Sha Tsui Kowloon kzionhk@yahoo.com, or call: (852) 2366 6364 (office) or (852) 2368 0061
Chabad - Location:  67-71 Chatham Road, Oriental Centre 1/F Unit D, Tsim Sha Tsui  Telephone:  (852) 2366 5770  Mobile Tel.: (852) 9674 4450  Email: kowloon@chabadhk.org

Macau: (Ferry from hkg)
-Casinos (las Vegas style hotels),
-Curque like water show
-aj hachet tower (bungi)

-Disney

Lhasa:
Lake, pilgrims , culture

Airline Checkin Counters: Kowloon Station (below the W Hotel) to check your bags in. You then take the MRT straight to the airport (with just a couple of stops). It's super convenient and quick. You don't have to stay at the W to check in at Kowloon station though (and FWIW you can check in at Hong Kong station on HKI, too).


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Re: Hong Kong Master Thread
« Reply #30 on: June 22, 2010, 04:05:28 PM »
Best Routing would be:

CLE-LAX on CO
LAX-AKL on NZ (Stop in the Pacific Islands?)
AKL-SYD on NZ
SYD-HKG on TG or SQ
HKG-CLE via NRT/ICN & NYC/ORD/IAD/LAX/SFP on ANA Or Asiana

100k/140k using Aeroplan Miles

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Re: Hong Kong Master Thread
« Reply #31 on: June 22, 2010, 04:07:26 PM »
Looks like it's jut 1.3 miles from Chabad of Kowloon and 1.4 from KZ, is it really not walkable?

All of the rooms are on very high floors

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Re: Hong Kong Master Thread
« Reply #32 on: June 22, 2010, 04:14:49 PM »
All of the rooms are on very high floors

keeps you fit.

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Re: Hong Kong Master Thread
« Reply #33 on: June 22, 2010, 04:34:05 PM »
All of the rooms are on very high floors

 thats the same problem with The Conrad and JWMarriott on HKI and more and more alot of Hotels are occupying mixed use buildings and taking the Top or Middle floors, which means becareful if palnning to be there over Shabbos or YT

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Re: Hong Kong Master Thread
« Reply #34 on: June 22, 2010, 04:49:19 PM »
I was in the Island over shabbos, at the bischoplei.

They were so kind to lower us to the 9th floor.

They were aware of the jewish 'problem' using cards to get into the rooms. So they always sent a guy along. The funny part is that those guys never used the elevator on shabbos, and walked up the stairs (even if i didn't walk with him).

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Re: Hong Kong Master Thread
« Reply #35 on: June 22, 2010, 04:56:31 PM »
I was in the Island over shabbos, at the bischoplei.

They were so kind to lower us to the 9th floor.

They were aware of the jewish 'problem' using cards to get into the rooms. So they always sent a guy along. The funny part is that those guys never used the elevator on shabbos, and walked up the stairs (even if i didn't walk with him).
You use the elevator on Shabbos with a goy?
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Re: Hong Kong Master Thread
« Reply #36 on: June 22, 2010, 04:57:05 PM »
You use the elevator on Shabbos with a goy?

I don't, nor do I use a saturday-gentile.

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Re: Hong Kong Master Thread
« Reply #37 on: June 22, 2010, 05:16:36 PM »
You use the elevator on Shabbos with a goy?

 why not as long as  the Goy isnt with You or doing anything for You. So walk into a building and a goy presses for the El and you go in with them and leave at whatever floor they do.

that said I cant ever remember relying on this and riding an El with a Goy

 Now a Lift is a different problem

  sort of like walking thru an Electric door when a goy does in order to get in or out of the building,a revolving door is a big problem

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Re: Hong Kong Master Thread
« Reply #38 on: June 22, 2010, 05:37:19 PM »
why not as long as  the Goy isnt with You or doing anything for You. So walk into a building and a goy presses for the El and you go in with them and leave at whatever floor they do.

that said I cant ever remember relying on this and riding an El with a Goy

 Now a Lift is a different problem

  sort of like walking thru an Electric door when a goy does in order to get in or out of the building,a revolving door is a big problem
An elevator is an entirely different halachic shailoh than an electronic door.
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Re: Hong Kong Master Thread
« Reply #39 on: June 22, 2010, 05:44:25 PM »
An elevator is an entirely different halachic shailoh than an electronic door.

 I understood that but I know numerous Rabbis that allow riding an El as long as you dont ask the goy to do anything on your behalf or hint at them to do something eg Oh you are going to the 10th floor a pity you arent staying on the 25th like me so I guess I will simply walk up the other 15 flights, hoping the goy will simply press the 25th button for you. But alot will say going in and saying nothing or hinting nothing and getting out on whatever floor they do is OK

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Re: Hong Kong Master Thread
« Reply #40 on: June 23, 2010, 08:31:30 AM »
have U ever been inside? I have its very Modern the furnishings in the room are all new and moderrn, the Lounge up on top is a 2 story Lounge with great views over to Kowloon and the Harbour.The star ferry has a dock a few mins walk closer to the Renassiance which a person can walk to via a shared pool area garden setting

 this GH is very grand, only IMO on the wrong side of the harbour but is full of business people all the time and HKI is what they need and want. The Peninsula in Kowloon is Very old would U recommend people to stay away from there? I would unless they have very deep pockets but with very deep pockets Id tell them go for it!

I have been looking through my post over and over. Where do you find I told someone to 'stay away' from the Grand Hyatt?
I said that since it is a very old (25+) hotel it has stair access.
And for your question - I have been to the GH a few times.

By the way - it is not good to show your ignorance in public.
Just for you to know riding an elevator on Shabbos IS an issue. Regardless if you tell a goy or not.
When you enter an elevator - your weight affects the amount of energy used in order to move the elevator. This is, according to many opinions, 'gromo' which prohibited on Shabbos. The fact you don't acknowledge that - does not mean it doesn't exist.
You could look into asking Rabbi Halperin from the Halachic Technology Institute.

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Re: Hong Kong Master Thread
« Reply #41 on: June 23, 2010, 08:41:47 AM »
I ate by both and KZ had a reg davening and meal while Chabad in Kowloon at least that fri night was more like a Purim Seuda and Isreali folk song festival and we had 10 men but not 10 davening, while KZ pretty much everyone was Shomer shabbos with a few exceptions

 Why dont I see Dan davening or eating anywhere when theres a Chabad to be had, especially in Kowloon where Chabad and KZ to put it best  dont get along

 BTW the food at chabad on Fri night wasnt bad and there was plenty of it, just the atmoshere wasnt my cup of tea for the davening or during the meal.While KZ is sefard but I was very comfortable davening with a reg minyan

Have you not yet learned your lesson from last time we had the same discussion here?
Again you are bashing Chabad.
Do yourself a favor "steve" (A fine Jewish name) - next time you get to HK - stick to the Shomer Shabbos "reg minyan". Chabad could handle without "Tzadikim" of this kind.

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Re: Hong Kong Master Thread
« Reply #42 on: June 23, 2010, 10:08:39 AM »
As much as some people will check-in at a hotel with lots of floors, which has a shabbos elevator, and will use it, without bothering to ask at check-in for a lower room. (I'm talking about healthy people), which IS a problem.

Its a big bedi'eved, as pointed out before due to the 'ribuy shiurim' of burning additional fuel (or using more electricity).
The same goes to shuttle buses/trams/trains/etc that carry people for free.

To Steve II: I'm not lubavitch or affiliated to it, and you know it.

However, although they don't keep your shita, I'm sure that you will agree, that the shluchim in places like HKG, don't go there because they have gypsy blood or so, as they have often little kids, and would much rather live in Israel or USA, in a regular kehilla.
Although you maybe don't agree to their shitos, I'm sure you agree that the shlichim mean it leshem shamayim, and if it were solely with business in mind, I'm sure people with a willpower such as some shluchim have (that live in the far away places), could find more lucrative businesses.

So let's stay nice.
 

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Re: Hong Kong Master Thread
« Reply #43 on: June 23, 2010, 11:04:33 AM »
I have been looking through my post over and over. Where do you find I told someone to 'stay away' from the Grand Hyatt?
I said that since it is a very old (25+) hotel it has stair access.
And for your question - I have been to the GH a few times.

By the way - it is not good to show your ignorance in public.
Just for you to know riding an elevator on Shabbos IS an issue. Regardless if you tell a goy or not.
When you enter an elevator - your weight affects the amount of energy used in order to move the elevator. This is, according to many opinions, 'gromo' which prohibited on Shabbos. The fact you don't acknowledge that - does not mean it doesn't exist.
You could look into asking Rabbi Halperin from the Halachic Technology Institute.

 1- when you said it was a (very) old Hotel , I took it that you were saying there were more modern places and not only pertaining to if there were stairs or not. Since Dan LUVS modern Hotels I thought you were saying stya elsewhere. seems from this explanation of yurs I was Wrong in how I read your sentence

 2- as for Elevators I happen to have asked and was told what I posted, even you on pg 1 of this thread posted "(and not trust the heter to go with the goy in the elevator)" so even you posted that there is a heter for doing this yet on this post I quote seem to be saying something else

 and Im very aware of that some els work by accessing the weight and then using more electricity if it needs to due to the weight issue

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Re: Hong Kong Master Thread
« Reply #44 on: June 23, 2010, 11:25:37 AM »
Have you not yet learned your lesson from last time we had the same discussion here?
Again you are bashing Chabad.
Do yourself a favor "steve" (A fine Jewish name) - next time you get to HK - stick to the Shomer Shabbos "reg minyan". Chabad could handle without "Tzadikim" of this kind.

 I see from Dans map that C Kowloon no longer is on Mody in a narrow walk up building on the 3rd floor. I was there back in Feb '08 were U there then, if U want I will try and get the exact Fri night but I will repeat there was a minyan but not 10 shomer shabbos men, bottles of vodka were being empited as if there was no tommorrow. The majority of songs that were sang were Israeli folk songs . I couldnt help but have feel that I was at a Purim Seuda, not what I would call a Shabbos meal that I look forward to being at, while Im sure others would love that type of meal

When asked if we were coming back on Shabbos morn for the minyan and meal , I indicated I was going to KZ and the Rabbi  tried to convince me not to and that they were questionable. Not saying this was You as I have no idea if you were even there then

No when I looked at Dans link to Chabad HK it lists restaurants on HKI but none in Kowloon, thusly I may be wrong but I take it that C of K doesnt have food during the week , so why doesnt it list KZ, which does?  shall I guess, Id say things between the 2 places havent changed since I was in HK last in 2/08

 Have I not learnt my lesson? what R U talking about . I guess you havent read this thread Dan asked to leave local politics out and it seems you dont wish to. till now I havent Bashed C of K, but I was told when at KZ in 2/08 that Reb Ovadia Yosef put C of K into Hearim after not closing up after he said they should

 But I do feel that theres nothing wrong letting others know what they just might run into befopre doing so.My friend said he preferred Chabad to davening Sefradi at KZ so he went back  and stayed for lunch, I stopped by on the way back to my Hotel and didnt feel Welcomed but more like I was a traitor by what the Rabbi had said to me, that was and is his Problem. I needed to discuss arrangements with my friend for the rest of the day and we werent in the same room at the Hotel nor floor. the rabbi didnt like that I went to KZ nor that I stopped by to speak to my friend

 I have nothing against C of HKI a nice former Detroit person at that, nor have I been there .

 so now you want to lower yourself to slander a person who has a given name other then a Hebrew 1, keep going you are showing your True self are you sure you are  Ahvas Yisroel doesnt seem so to me

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