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Re: PSA: New Pyramyid scheme circulating the jewish community
« Reply #40 on: July 18, 2010, 02:26:19 PM »
Generalization.

And you say I don't want facts...
Nu, prove me wrong.
What are the ratios at WV?
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Re: PSA: New Pyramyid scheme circulating the jewish community
« Reply #41 on: July 18, 2010, 02:31:07 PM »
Something wrong with the founders and Executives. Nofla yesod, nofal habinyan They're listed as the founders of GTT

Where? All I found indicates they were reps. And again, even if that were true that doesn't mean that this MLM isn't legit

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Re: PSA: New Pyramyid scheme circulating the jewish community
« Reply #42 on: July 18, 2010, 02:34:52 PM »
Nu, prove me wrong.
What are the ratios at WV?

I wish I could, but I don't know how to get that kind of information on a publicly held company.

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Re: PSA: New Pyramyid scheme circulating the jewish community
« Reply #43 on: July 18, 2010, 02:39:54 PM »
Nu, prove me wrong.
What are the ratios at WV?

And anyway, I am not out to prove anything, I just want some facts (wherever they might be).

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Re: PSA: New Pyramyid scheme circulating the jewish community
« Reply #44 on: July 18, 2010, 03:01:38 PM »
I'll admit it doesn't seem as if they were execs at GTT.

Just keep in mind, if even 1 person you "recruit" losses $1 off this "business", it's on your head. If you can live with that, then go ahead.

(I have more to write, but I'm finding when you get hit with a barrage of problems, you wiggle your way out by only answering those that you can)
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Re: PSA: New Pyramyid scheme circulating the jewish community
« Reply #45 on: July 18, 2010, 03:08:29 PM »
Way too much info to read from BB.

Loads of Americans are genetically blocked from ever accepting mlm's. Dan is one of them, however good ones do exist.

$500MM or however much you need to get on decent stock exchanges isn't true.

You get sifted through by Price Waterhouse and others before being allowed. I know a couple of guys who went public.

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Re: PSA: New Pyramyid scheme circulating the jewish community
« Reply #46 on: July 18, 2010, 03:10:48 PM »
WorldVentures Company Details
WorldVentures
7750 N MacArthur Suite 120-152
Irvine Texas 75063
Owners and/or Executives and Executive Consultants
Wayne Nugent, Mike Azcue co-founders

"Mike Azcue and Wayne Nugent founded World Ventures after being involved in another MLM called GTT."
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Re: PSA: New Pyramyid scheme circulating the jewish community
« Reply #47 on: July 18, 2010, 03:11:11 PM »
  The Montana Securities Department has received inquiries and information indicating an investment program entitled World Ventures may be operating in Butte and surrounding communities. The program appears to be a fraudulent pyramid scheme.
     
      World Ventures appears to be operating as a classic "pyramid" scheme, asking investors to put their own money in to get started. †It appears that $400.00 is the initial amount required for entry into the scheme. To recover their original funds the investors are required to recruit new participants into the program. Once a participant brings enough new recruits into the program, they climb up the pyramid to a point where they begin sharing in the pool of money obtained from new recruits.
      The hallmark of the scheme is the promise of sky-high returns in a short period of time for doing nothing other than handing over your money and getting others to do the same. Generally the fraudsters behind a pyramid scheme go to great lengths to make the program look like a legitimate multi-level marketing program. Despite their claims to have legitimate products or services to sell, these fraudsters simply use money coming in from new recruits to pay off early stage investors.
     
      At some point the scheme gets too big, the promoter cannot raise enough money from new investors to pay earlier investors. The pyramid will collapse and many people will have lost their money.
     
      "One can never be too careful when it comes to money and investments. If someone claims you will get something for nothing you should always be on the look out." State Auditor John Morrison stated, "The best thing and investor can do is investigate before investing."
      Pyramid schemes are illegal. Participants in a pyramid scheme that attempt to recruit new members are violating the law and may face administrative, civil or criminal actions against them. If you or someone you know has been approached to get involved in World Ventures or similar programs, please contact the Montana Securities Division at (800) 332-6148.
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Re: PSA: New Pyramyid scheme circulating the jewish community
« Reply #48 on: July 18, 2010, 03:12:11 PM »
$500MM or however much you need to get on decent stock exchanges isn't true.

You get sifted through by Price Waterhouse and others before being allowed. I know a couple of guys who went public.
Not if you reverse merger, it's a complicated loophole, which makes it legal to only open your books mekan ulihaba. Costs ~$500k for a symbol, plus $500k-1M in Legal fees, Plus accountant fees which which I have no clue how much they are.

In theory reverse mergers can happen in a day, as opposed to going public which can take years
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Re: PSA: New Pyramyid scheme circulating the jewish community
« Reply #49 on: July 18, 2010, 03:14:40 PM »
If you or someone you know has been approached to get involved in World Ventures or similar programs, please contact the Montana Securities Division at (800) 332-6148.
Crap, does that mean I'm legally obligated to go ahead and file a report now?
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Re: PSA: New Pyramyid scheme circulating the jewish community
« Reply #50 on: July 18, 2010, 03:34:29 PM »
Just keep in mind, if even 1 person you "recruit" losses $1 off this "business", it's on your head. If you can live with that, then go ahead.

The same way I am responsible for my decisions, they are responsible for theirs. As I said before, I never, never sell anything. All I do is show people the product and they decide what to do with it.

(I have more to write, but I'm finding when you get hit with a barrage of problems, you wiggle your way out by only answering those that you can)

That's a blatant cop-out.

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Re: PSA: New Pyramyid scheme circulating the jewish community
« Reply #51 on: July 18, 2010, 03:37:13 PM »
  The Montana Securities Department has received inquiries and information indicating an investment program entitled World Ventures may be operating in Butte and surrounding communities. The program appears to be a fraudulent pyramid scheme.
     
      World Ventures appears to be operating as a classic "pyramid" scheme, asking investors to put their own money in to get started. †It appears that $400.00 is the initial amount required for entry into the scheme. To recover their original funds the investors are required to recruit new participants into the program. Once a participant brings enough new recruits into the program, they climb up the pyramid to a point where they begin sharing in the pool of money obtained from new recruits.

Where is this from, because worldventures does not require $400 to get started. Either $110 to be a rep. $250 to be a dreamtrip and rovia member. Or $360 for both. So again, what is the source?

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Re: PSA: New Pyramyid scheme circulating the jewish community
« Reply #52 on: July 18, 2010, 03:38:27 PM »
WorldVentures Company Details
WorldVentures
7750 N MacArthur Suite 120-152
Irvine Texas 75063
Owners and/or Executives and Executive Consultants
Wayne Nugent, Mike Azcue co-founders

"Mike Azcue and Wayne Nugent founded World Ventures after being involved in another MLM called GTT."

Involved could describe employees at Meryll Lynch, where they cooked the books. Another generalization.

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Re: PSA: New Pyramyid scheme circulating the jewish community
« Reply #53 on: July 18, 2010, 03:39:09 PM »
Crap, does that mean I'm legally obligated to go ahead and file a report now?

Yeah. And report me for approaching you  ;)

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Re: PSA: New Pyramyid scheme circulating the jewish community
« Reply #54 on: July 18, 2010, 03:39:25 PM »
The same way I am responsible for my decisions, they are responsible for theirs. As I said before, I never, never sell anything. All I do is show people the product and they decide what to do with it.
So they don't get counted as your recruits?
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Re: PSA: New Pyramyid scheme circulating the jewish community
« Reply #55 on: July 18, 2010, 03:39:55 PM »
Yeah. And report me for approaching you  ;)
Now THATS what you call a cop-out
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Re: PSA: New Pyramyid scheme circulating the jewish community
« Reply #56 on: July 18, 2010, 03:41:14 PM »
So they don't get counted as your recruits?

They are now on my team, and I take responsibility for helping them succeed.

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Re: PSA: New Pyramyid scheme circulating the jewish community
« Reply #57 on: July 18, 2010, 03:43:59 PM »
They are now on my team, and I take responsibility for helping them succeed.
My point exactly. You also take responsibility if they fail
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Re: PSA: New Pyramyid scheme circulating the jewish community
« Reply #58 on: July 18, 2010, 03:47:31 PM »
My point exactly. You also take responsibility if they fail

Why? My responsibility is to help them. Not make the decision for them. And not to do the work for them.

If I recommend a gym to a friend and he doesn't go, and thereby wastes his membership money, is that my responsibility?
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Re: PSA: New Pyramyid scheme circulating the jewish community
« Reply #59 on: July 18, 2010, 04:12:51 PM »
The issur of lifnei eiver, isn't not to push a blind man
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