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Re: MLB 2013
« Reply #45 on: October 03, 2013, 02:45:00 PM »
When did all these stats like WAR and BABIP come in to common use?
I used to be into baseball until about 10 years ago, and I loved stats, but I have never heard of any the new terms until this thread.
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Re: MLB 2013
« Reply #46 on: October 03, 2013, 02:45:58 PM »
I'm saying everything else being equal, a small (30 point) drop in BAPIP can cause a big drop in WAR
K rate, walk rate, line drive rate (way up), pop up rate (way down).
The one thing that was down was his home run rate.
Case in point to being lucky, his infield hit rate was way down
Unfortunately, I've already spent enough time on this at work that I should be refunding some pay to my employer (they pay me to do math all day, just not baseball math ;D), but suffice it to say that if you had all the necessary inputs, and you substituted enough singles for outs to bring Swisher's Yankee years BABIP (which by the way is high enough to be a bad point of comparison) down to his 2013 mark, you still wouldn't end up as low as 2.4.

And just as an aside, infield hit rate is actually much less attributable to luck than other types of balls in play.

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Re: MLB 2013
« Reply #47 on: October 03, 2013, 03:24:45 PM »
When did all these stats like WAR and BABIP come in to common use?
I used to be into baseball until about 10 years ago, and I loved stats, but I have never heard of any the new terms until this thread.
Within the past decade or so these sabermetrics have become more widely used, though some old-schoolers still don't pay attention to them. Others, though, are obsessed! Ever hear of Moneyball?

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Re: MLB 2013
« Reply #48 on: October 03, 2013, 04:35:08 PM »
Within the past decade or so these sabermetrics have become more widely used, though some old-schoolers still don't pay attention to them. Others, though, are obsessed! Ever hear of Moneyball?

Thanks. I heard of money ball but never got to watch it.
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Re: MLB 2013
« Reply #49 on: October 09, 2013, 01:32:48 AM »
Stinkin' Rays fans couldn't even fill up their tiny house for a playoff game. That's just sad.
http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=331008130

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Re: MLB 2013
« Reply #50 on: October 09, 2013, 08:59:35 AM »
Stinkin' Rays fans couldn't even fill up their tiny house for a playoff game. That's just sad.
http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=331008130
Big deal, neither Dodger Stadium nor Turner Field was at 100% or better (based on the metric they, use playoff sellouts are often higher than 100% due to seating added for the postseason) in their series for any of the games, while every other game this postseason was over 100% (except at the Trop). And if you want to talk attendance you're not exactly coming from a position of strength - Progressive Field was a league low 45.3% full this season.
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Imagine the difference between that and a BOS-LAD series. Now you have pretty much your best case and your worst case (from a ratings perspective of course).

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Re: MLB 2013
« Reply #51 on: October 09, 2013, 12:17:18 PM »
Big deal, neither Dodger Stadium nor Turner Field was at 100% or better (based on the metric they, use playoff sellouts are often higher than 100% due to seating added for the postseason) in their series for any of the games, while every other game this postseason was over 100% (except at the Trop). And if you want to talk attendance you're not exactly coming from a position of strength - Progressive Field was a league low 45.3% full this season.Imagine the difference between that and a BOS-LAD series. Now you have pretty much your best case and your worst case (from a ratings perspective of course).
Blah, blah, blah. A team should be able to sell out their playoff games, end of story.

As far as the Indians go, they had no problem selling out entire seasons before a game was played when the owners were willing to spend money.  As soon as Dolan came in and decided to slash spending and become the farm system for the Yankees fans also stopped showing up.
2nd half collapses in 2011 and 2012 didn't help the case this year either. 
Nor did the doubling of ticket prices for 2013 though they said they had a 20% rise in ticket revenue over 2012 when attendance was slightly higher so maybe they're not as dumb as they look.

At any rate I've never seen a crowd anywhere as worked up and passionate as the WC crowd here last week.  Shame it had to end the way it did.
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Re: MLB 2013
« Reply #52 on: October 09, 2013, 12:45:35 PM »
Blah, blah, blah. A team should be able to sell out their playoff games, end of story.

As far as the Indians go, they had no problem selling out entire seasons before a game was played when the owners were willing to spend money.  As soon as Dolan came in and decided to slash spending and become the farm system for the Yankees fans also stopped showing up.
2nd half collapses in 2011 and 2012 didn't help the case this year either. 
Nor did the doubling of ticket prices for 2013 though they said they had a 20% rise in ticket revenue over 2012 when attendance was slightly higher so maybe they're not as dumb as they look.

At any rate I've never seen a crowd anywhere as worked up and passionate as the WC crowd here last week.  Shame it had to end the way it did.
Maybe it's just me, but not even being able to fill half the seats on a consistent basis over a whole season is just as embarrassing as only filling 95+% of them for a playoff game.

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Re: MLB 2013
« Reply #53 on: October 09, 2013, 12:52:14 PM »
Maybe it's just me, but not even being able to fill half the seats on a consistent basis over a whole season is just as embarrassing as only filling 95+% of them for a playoff game.
Like I said it's not about attendance.  The Mets pulled in 26K a game by giving away half their seats every day.
Even on opening day they gave away thousands of comps.

The Indians strategy this year was to charge a much higher price point even though the numbers would be lower.  An upper reserved seat that was $7 last year went up to $25.  Frankly I'm surprised they got as many people as it is.
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Re: MLB 2013
« Reply #54 on: October 11, 2013, 01:34:19 AM »
Well, all the $115MM+ payroll teams knocked out the all of the sub $90MM payroll teams.
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Re: MLB 2013
« Reply #55 on: October 11, 2013, 01:47:12 AM »
Well, all the $115MM+ payroll teams knocked out the all of the sub $90MM payroll teams.
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The luxury tax has helped to balance things just a bit.

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Re: MLB 2013
« Reply #56 on: October 11, 2013, 01:48:22 AM »
Sure, now the Yankees will only have 8x Houston's salary instead of 10x.
The NFL is eating Baseball's lunch and this is a part of it (along with human rain delay players)
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Re: MLB 2013
« Reply #57 on: October 11, 2013, 08:49:36 AM »
Sure, now the Yankees will only have 8x Houston's salary instead of 10x.
The NFL is eating Baseball's lunch and this is a part of it (along with human rain delay players)
So you're saying a salary cap would go a long way in helping MLB compete with the NFL? Color me skeptical.

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Re: MLB 2013
« Reply #58 on: October 11, 2013, 09:06:51 AM »
So you're saying a salary cap would go a long way in helping MLB compete with the NFL? Color me skeptical.

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The salary cap is not the reason no one can come close to the NFL

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Re: MLB 2013
« Reply #59 on: October 11, 2013, 09:52:32 AM »
It's not the reason, it's one of many.  In the NFL any well managed team can make it to the SB. That strengthens the fan base enormously.
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