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Re: MLB 2013
« Reply #60 on: October 11, 2013, 09:55:29 AM »
It's not the reason, it's one of many.  In the NFL any well managed team can make it to the SB. That strengthens the fan base enormously.
Don't get me wrong, I agree that a salary cap would be good for baseball, I just don't think it'll change MLB's standing among the other sports in any significant way.

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Re: MLB 2013
« Reply #61 on: October 11, 2013, 10:04:27 AM »
You can't see how a larger nationwide fan base will be better for baseball?

The NFL does a lot of things right. It's time to start copying some of them.

I think speeding up the game and having a salary cap will help.
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Re: MLB 2013
« Reply #62 on: October 11, 2013, 10:08:38 AM »
You can't see how a larger nationwide fan base will be better for baseball?

The NFL does a lot of things right. It's time to start copying some of them.

I think speeding up the game and having a salary cap will help.
Maybe add IMHO to that. I don't know of any conclusive evidence that salary cap = larger national fan base.

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Re: MLB 2013
« Reply #63 on: October 11, 2013, 10:10:38 AM »
Obviously I think=IMHO.
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Re: MLB 2013
« Reply #64 on: October 11, 2013, 10:17:02 AM »
You can't see how a larger nationwide fan base will be better for baseball?

The NFL does a lot of things right. It's time to start copying some of them.

I think speeding up the game and having a salary cap will help.
Speed of the game is a huge factor. It's painful to go to a Yankees game
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Re: MLB 2013
« Reply #65 on: October 11, 2013, 10:20:01 AM »
Obviously I think=IMHO.
I was referrring to your first statement
You can't see how a larger nationwide fan base will be better for baseball?
I can certainly see that. I just don't think a salary cap will have such a significant effect on the size of MLB's nationwide fan base.

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Re: MLB 2013
« Reply #66 on: October 12, 2013, 05:32:23 PM »
Speed of the game is a huge factor. It's painful to go to a Yankees game
its even more when its a met game and dice-k is pitching!

personally its a lot more than a salary cap that will enhance the sport again! they need excitement among alot of other things as well. in general the sport has taken a turn for the worse.
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Re: MLB 2013
« Reply #67 on: October 12, 2013, 08:07:42 PM »
Well they lost "excitement" when they stopped turning a blind eye to PEDs...
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Re: MLB 2013
« Reply #68 on: October 12, 2013, 10:19:52 PM »
It seems to me that it's more of a generational issue. Life had a slower pace back then, and baseball suited that well, so baseball was king. They can add things like a pitch clock and other tweaks to speed up the game, but at it's core baseball is just slower than the other major sports. And that may not be a good fit with the million mile an hour pace of people's lives today.

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Re: MLB 2013
« Reply #69 on: October 12, 2013, 10:22:16 PM »
Have you ever looked at the time of play in old box scores?

This isn't (just) generational.  Games take far longer today than they did when baseball was our true national pastime.
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Re: MLB 2013
« Reply #70 on: October 12, 2013, 11:56:41 PM »
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Re: MLB 2013
« Reply #71 on: October 13, 2013, 10:24:10 AM »
Have you ever looked at the time of play in old box scores?

This isn't (just) generational.  Games take far longer today than they did when baseball was our true national pastime.
Absolutely, they need to implement whatever rules they can come up with to help speed up the game (starting with a pitch clock of some sort). But it won't change the nature of the game, which lends itself to large amounts of dead time. If you edited the video of a full length game into just the balls put into play, it would be a very short video indeed. The game progresses due to outs, not to a game clock (the way all the other major sports work), and most outs aren't very exciting.

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Re: MLB 2013
« Reply #72 on: October 13, 2013, 11:22:04 AM »
Bottom line is games used to be under 2 hours.
Then they bloated to 2.5 hours.
Now the average is 3 hours with games like last night with just 1 run taking 4 hours.

Next year will be even worse thanks to challenges.

MLB Rule 8.04 would solve most problems:

When the bases are unoccupied, the pitcher shall deliver the ball to the batter within 12 seconds after he receives the ball. Each time the pitcher delays the game by violating this rule, the umpire shall call "Ball." The 12-second timing starts when the pitcher is in possession of the ball and the batter is in the box, alert to the pitcher. The timing stops when the pitcher releases the ball.

Between that, speeding up breaks between innings, limiting pitching mound conferences, and speeding up pitching changes would go a long way.
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Re: MLB 2013
« Reply #73 on: October 13, 2013, 11:27:54 AM »
Players are just better at milking the count. Any stats on pitch counts for the game? Too lazy to look them up.
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Re: MLB 2013
« Reply #74 on: October 13, 2013, 11:30:16 AM »
Estimated Pitches per MLB Team/Game:

2003   146
2000   149
1995   148
1990   144
1985   144
1980   143
1975   144
1970   145
1965   142
1960   144
1955   144
1950   146

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/what-pitch-counts-hath-wrought/

Argued with here: http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7533
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