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Venice Overview
Venice is a gorgeous and romantic city that doesn't disappoint. It's a fantastic place to spend Shabbos because there are several points hotel options, a Chabad with several meal options, the ability to carry and because the biggest attraction of Venice - just simply walking the streets and bridges - is a perfect Shabbos activity which will keep you from just be sitting bored in a hotel room.

Trip Reports:
Dan, Avid Reader, MnM1130, ChAiM'l, aj26, Yosers1, jj1000, Hudi, Cbs, Eli, steve L, jmansour, VacationLover, Yehoshua, Mech, yg99, yls2011, ABC, AharonInIsrael, @Yehuda, shlonx

Getting there and getting around:

How long should I go for?
There really aren't too many activities to do in Venice, so a 1-2 day trip could cover the must see/do sights, but the city is so beautiful that you won't regret a longer stay! Because the sights are mostly just walking around the streets, checking out the shops, etc. many people find spending just a Shabbos/weekend in Venice is enough to get their fill. Arrive on a Friday and leave Sunday evening and you'll get your fill. (Again, a longer stay rocks too!)

Travelling around Italy/Getting to Venice
Most often, if you're making a trip from USA to Venice, you're not just going to see Venice, but rather a few cities in Italy. When visiting Italy there are a few ways to travel around - trains, rent a car, or if you're going directly from one end of Italy (let's say Rome) to the other end (let's say Milan or Venice), it could be you'll want to fly.

Air:
If Venice is your first stop in Italy, then you'll likely be coming via air. VCE is the airport code, and the airport is not actually in Venice proper (no, the planes don't land in the canals). Rather, you'll have to take a water bus or water taxi from the airport to Venice proper. The water buses to/from the airport are run by a company called Alilaguna (buses here aren't run by the city), take around an hour to get to San Marco Square (the main points hotel location) and cost 14euro. You can buy a roundtrip in advance for 25euro. Private water taxis take around 1/2 hour, but are a lot more expensive. Because people arrive at VCE from many different locations, it's not practical to discuss the different routes you can take to get here.

Train:
If your Italy trip starts in a different city in Italy, then you may want to look into travelling via rail. There are 2 main train companies in Italy - TrenItalia and Treno Italo. Rates vary on a bunch of factors and neither site is fantastically designed, so check them out and ask for some help here if you need. The express train Rome-Venice takes about 3:45 hours and the overnight takes 5.5-6.5 hours. As opposed to the airport, St. Lucia Train Station is actually in Venice proper. Once you arrive, you can take a Vaporetto to your desired location (again, likely San Marco Square). See "Getting around Venice" below for Vaporetto prices. You can also take a private water taxi, which won't have any stops, but will cost a lot more.

Car Rental:
If your Italy trip starts in a different city in Italy, then besides for taking trains, you may find that a car rental suits your needs better, especially if you plan on hitting up several cities along the way as taking a train usually means having to get a cab or bus to/from each train station from your hotel. That time/cost plus the cost of the trains may cause you to decide on a car rental instead. Since it's Europe, expect a manual car unless you pay more for an automatic. Driving in Italy may bother you if you're not super comfortable driving, but in terms of driving in Venice, don't be concerned. You'll be coming from a highway (which is just like highway driving back home), you'll get off onto normal sized/paved roads and within a few minutes, will likely be at your car rental dropoff - outside of Venice proper. There are no cars in Venice (although there is a Hertz in Venice proper that you could actually drive to and drop your car off, but rates at that location are super expensive), so you will likely drop your car off near the Venice-Mestre Train Station - not the St. Lucia station that's actually in Venice - but a second train station that's just outside Venice proper. From Mestre station, a 10 minute, 2 euro train ride will get you into St. Lucia station and from there you can follow the options listed above to get to your hotel.

Getting around Venice
If you're staying in the Jewish Ghetto or near San Marco Square (we'll get to where to stay soon), you'll be within walking distance (max 1/2 hour) of all the main sites in Venice. Even still, many people like to take a public water bus, known as a Vaporetto, to travel down the canals. You can buy tickets at many Vaparetto stops. An individual one way ride costs 7 euro, but there are also 24/48/72 hour passes that cost 20/30/40 euro, respectively. If you're between the ages of 14-29, you can buy a 72 hour Youth Pass for just 20 euro. It's possible that you may need to first purchase a "Rolling Venice" guidebook (should be available at the ticket counter) for 4 euro before they'll let you buy the Youth pass, but you can find that out at the ticket counter and even 24 euro is a great deal. There's also a special roundtrip beach ticket to Lido that costs 10 euro. Do some math to see what kind of pass will work best for you.


Where to stay:

There are 2 main areas where people normally stay: 1) The Jewish Ghetto, which is where the Shuls/restaurants are, as well as some Kosher hotels, but no points hotels and 2) San Marco Square, about a 1/2 hour walk from the Ghetto, but where most of the points hotels are. The walk is very nice, and helps you accomplish the "activity" of seeing the streets while on the way to your destination. The 30 minute walk may hinder your desire to make it to Shul for all Tefillos. YMMV ;)

Here are some places that are discussed in this thread:

NameAreaMore InfoComments
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Pardes RimonimJewish GhettoWebsiteKosher hotel
Carnival Place<10 minute walk to the GhettoWebsiteNicest hotel near the Ghetto
Locanda Del GhettoJewish GhettoWebsiteKosher hotel
Westin Europa and ReginaSan Marco SquareWebsiteSPG Cat. 6; 20-25K/night. Beautiful hotel with marble lobby and a luxurious feel.
Comfort Hotel DianaSan Marco SquareWebsite10K Choice/night. Definitely dated, but kinda rustic in that regard. Cheapest points hotel option in the points hotel-lacking city of Venice.
Boscolo Venezia, Autograph Collection<10 minute walk to the GhettoWebsite45K Marriott/night.
JW Marriott Venice Resort & SpaNOT able to walk to the Ghetto, But Free ShuttleWebsite40K Marriott/night.
"Get your own place"AnywhereAirBNB, VRBO, HomeAwayRenting an apartment can be a great option in Venice especially if your family is large enough that you would otherwise have to get a few hotel rooms. You can find apartments near the Ghetto, and with meals at Chabad, this can definitely be a cheaper option than a hotel.

There are 2 other SPG properties, Hotel Danieli and The Gritti Palace, but there are some downsides to them. Both are SPG Cat. 7 which means you'll be paying a premium to stay there. Danieli is in the Square, but in Dan's TR you'll see that he pointed out there's no manual door, which poses an issue on Shabbos. Dan also writes that Gritti is 10 minutes away from the Square. Both are supposedly stunning, but seemingly impractical due to cost, distance and/or Shabbos issues.


What to do:

As said a few times so far, the highlight of a trip to Venice is walking the streets/canals and checking out the boundless shops that line the streets. But, there are of course some actual activities that one can do, although it's hard to say that any are "must-do"s.

Attractions & Activities
NameMore InfoComments
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Doge's PalaceWebsiteYou can get a classic tour of the palace, or you can opt for the Secret Itineraries tour, which will take you down to the dungeons where the prison was and up to the top floors to see offices, a torture chamber, and a court room while listening to the story of Casanova's supposed escape. The Secret Itineraries tour does not cover the main rooms in the palace, but you are free to walk around afterwards on your own.
Jewish Museum/ Ghetto TourWebsiteThe Jewish Museum offers tours of the museum and Ghetto. While the tours of the Ghetto in Rome are highly recommended by DDFers (and many would say a trip to Rome without a tour is nuts), there is not too much talk on DDF about the tours of the Venice Ghetto. Take that as you will. The tour is closer to an hour and costs 10 euro. Without the tour, you can't get in to see the nice Shuls that are not open that season.
Gondola RideN/AYou'll see gondolas everywhere you look. There are a few places where can get one that will take you on a 5 minute ride just going across the width of the canal for a couple of euro (called a "Traghetto"). There are options to get a private, 45-60 minute ride that usually costs around 90 euro. And finally, there's an in between option where you'll be in your own gondola among a group of others that are in their own gondolas. Some companies offer music and a serenade. Do some Googling to see different prices. A gondola ride will give you an additional "real feel" of Venice, but passing on it to save some money isn't a crazy idea. Walking the canals yourself is quite amazing.
San Marco SquareN/AWhether your hotel is in this area or not, this is a nice stop on your walks. A huge, open square with restaurants and shops overlooked by the large church and clock tower. During the day, you'll see people feeding pigeons, and at night, you'll see plenty of street vendors trying to get you to buy a rose for DW or a light up flying saucer. You can go up the bell tower for 8 euro for a beautiful view and you can get the very interesting audio guide for an additional 4 euro.
Lido BeachN/AIf you're in Venice for a few days, perhaps you'll enjoy a quick Vaporetto ride to Lido, where a 10 minute walk will get you onto a free public beach. Warning: Remember that this is a European beach.

Luxury Launch's Venice Guide nice list of different things to do in Venice


Shuls/Shabbos:

NameMore InfoComments
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Jewish Community of VeniceWebsiteIn the Ghetto, there are 2 community Shuls - one used during the summer and the other during the winter - that are both right next to each other. There are daily Minyanim.
ChabadWebsiteIn the Ghetto, Chabad has their own Shul/Beis Medrash that acts as the Yeshiva for the Chabad students as well as a Shul during daily Minyanim. They also own a storefront that acts as the Chabad house. Chabad owns the fleishig restaurant, Gam Gam, as well as the pizza shop, Gam Gam Goodies, that are described below. On Shabbos, Chabad hosts several meal options. First of all, you could order takeout in advance and pick it up or have it delivered to your hotel. But where's the fun in that? For meals at Chabad, the options have changed as of June 1, 2015:

1) A Kiddush is offered after Davening both on Friday night and Shabbos day consisting of Kiddush, Challah & a light meal - no reservations necessary. This is likely similar to the previous "free meals" that Chabad used to offer. It doesn't seem like any DDFer has reported yet how the new system works, and it's not clear from their site where the Kiddush takes places, but it's definitely no longer in Gam Gam (although it might be on the tables outside on the canal). The old system provided the opportunity to sit at a big meal with Jews from all over the world with all different types of backgrounds, which many found to be an awesome experience. It's hard to tell whether the Kiddush system will be similar or not.

*Pre-reserved meals*
In the old system, there was only 1 way to reserve your own table, but now there are 2 ways. Meals can not be divided between the two locations and are served at any time you want after Davening. Reservations for both options can be made by emailing info@jewishvenice.org and including the calendar date of the Shabbos you will be there and the names/emails of each attendee, as well as choosing one of the below options:

2) Shabbos in the Gallery - This option existed under the old system. Three meals at a private table in a storefront near Gam Gam that normally functions as an art gallery. 75 euro per person, 37.50 euro for children under 12.

3) Luxury1 Shabbos at Gam Gam Restaurant - Three meals at your private table, with more of a luxury atmosphere & meal, including more food choices, than the Gallery. Minimum donation is 100 euro per person.


Food:

NameMore InfoComments
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Gam GamWebsiteA nice fleishig restaurant, owned by the Chabad Rabbi. Some food is better than others, the service is pretty classic, and the prices are a bit above reasonable. But hey, it's Kosher food in Venice! You can eat outside literally at the edge of the canal, which is pretty sweet unless it's cold at night. Reservations are recommended as it can get crowded.
Gam Gam GoodiesN/ALocated just a few steps from Gam Gam, this is a small storefront that serves as a pizza shop (no seating unfortunately, but you can find benches further along in the Ghetto and are welcome to sit in the Chabad house storefront to eat). You might also find other foods like falafel, chocolates, packaged deli and fresh baked goods, which can be great for breakfast (and deli and rolls can be great for a cheaper dinner or to take food with you to your next destination that might not have Kosher food). Pizza is priced fairly and is tasty.
Volpe BakeryWebsiteRight across the alley from Gam Gam Goodies is a bakery serving fresh breads and pastries. According to the link, it's under supervision from the Chief Rabbi of Venice (not the Chabad Rabbi), however, DDFers question the Kashrus here. As of July 2014, the Chazzan at the Italian Shul said he goes into the bakery to light the fire every morning and therefore you can eat there. The place is open on Shabbos, but it must be owned by a non-Jew (or else how could it get a hashgacha?) So, there are some concerns and you may want to check into the Kashrus before you go, but the locals sure make it seem like it's fine.
FrulalaWebsiteFresh fruit smoothies that the locals will tell you are Kosher as long as you get the water-based versions. There are 2 locations - a storefront and a kiosk - that are both on the main walk from San Marco Square to the Ghetto. The drinks are tasty and refreshing, while being reasonably priced. They also offer free shotglass-sized samples, which are a great way to get a quick thirst quencher while walking!
Ghimel GardenTheir FB pageFrom Hershelsdeals Gimmal Garden is a real restaurant, Gam Gam goodies doesn't even have chairs, and is officially a bakery, not a restaurant. so you can't even compare. GamGam goodies opens at 7AM and sells breakfast, Gimmal Garden only opens at 10AM and closes 10PM
Gimmal Garden also offers Shabbos meals, Friday night is meat and Shabbos day is dairy.The food at Gimmal is excellent, they have Pizza, Fish dishes, Pasta, salads, Falafel  ETC....

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #2685 on: May 15, 2017, 10:17:33 AM »
Trying to find some updated info on Breakfast in Venice.

In the two times i was there - breakfast was mainly lunch at GamGam - meaty, i.e no breakfast. Or Baked goods from the Little Treats GamGam dairy store next door.

I have seen some really good reviews for the place in the ghetto - that i was under some impression wasn't as good a hechsher as GamGam Proper - BUT i see it is cholov yisroel and "kosher lemeadrin" as per the cheif rabbi of venice.

I have had GamGam deliver breakfast to clients hotels in the past (20eur PP + 40eur Delivery - the experience of breakfast in their presidential suite overlooking the canal is well worth the delivery - for some..)

My question is while i would love to support the chabad house, breakfast wise what is the situation - on the ground from someone who was there recently.
(last i saw was little treats didn't even have a place to sit down - though i munched their baked goods at the westin all shabbos long and they very decent - and didn't have caramel hamantashen ;) )
All that you wrote is correct, Gam gam goodies opens at 7 AM you can get breakfast there, however there is no seating, and cash only!
Ghimel garden I think opens up more like 10:30-11:00, and has great indoor and outdoor seating as well as a full dairy menu.

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #2686 on: May 15, 2017, 02:08:21 PM »
All that you wrote is correct, Gam gam goodies opens at 7 AM you can get breakfast there, however there is no seating, and cash only!
I recall paying with CC in Gam Gam Goodies

Ghimel garden I think opens up more like 10:30-11:00, and has great indoor and outdoor seating as well as a full dairy menu.
When we were there last summer they were only open in the evening  (either 6 or 7)

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #2687 on: May 16, 2017, 10:55:40 PM »
Some guidance please:  Will be spending Shabbat in the ghetto and would like to have the Gam Gam paid meals.  What is your suggestion for a family, including 2 children (8, 12) - in Gam Gam itself or in the Gallery?  Is the food exactly the same?

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #2688 on: May 16, 2017, 11:44:11 PM »
Some guidance please:  Will be spending Shabbat in the ghetto and would like to have the Gam Gam paid meals.  What is your suggestion for a family, including 2 children (8, 12) - in Gam Gam itself or in the Gallery?  Is the food exactly the same?
IME the gallery was terrific but heard many complaints about Gam Gam itself

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« Reply #2689 on: May 17, 2017, 08:42:03 AM »
IME the gallery was terrific but heard many complaints about Gam Gam itself
like what? i was just there....
gam gam service little better

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #2690 on: May 17, 2017, 09:27:08 AM »
like what? i was just there....
gam gam service little better

Can you elaborate please? Are the food choices better at Gam Gam as advertised? I'm booked in for early June.

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #2691 on: May 17, 2017, 09:55:44 AM »
like what? i was just there....
gam gam service little better
I was recommending according to my past experience. While we were there, a few people that ate in Gam Gam complained that it was very hot & stuffy in there & that there wasn't enough food. In the gallery, on the other hand, was nice & cool, and plenty of food

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #2692 on: May 18, 2017, 10:54:42 AM »
If anyone wants to go to Venice next month, this can be a good deal:
https://auction.starwoodhotels.com/moments/momentdetails/moment/4370

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« Reply #2693 on: May 18, 2017, 11:43:36 AM »
If anyone wants to go to Venice next month, this can be a good deal:
https://auction.starwoodhotels.com/moments/momentdetails/moment/4370
Does the Danieli have non-electric doors for Shabbos use?
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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #2694 on: May 18, 2017, 12:46:15 PM »
Anyone recommend booking the official Ghetto tour in advance or just turn up on the day for tickets?

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #2695 on: May 19, 2017, 02:58:21 PM »
Anyone recommend booking the official Ghetto tour in advance or just turn up on the day for tickets?
If you really want tp go just show up. All you get to see is 3 shuls and they explain a drop of history (the tour guide was not Jewish and it was pretty funny the things she made up about jewish life . Best bet would be to go for for one tiffila on Shabbos you get the real deal its very interesting, plus you get ברכת כהנים as well.

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #2696 on: May 19, 2017, 03:39:29 PM »
If you really want tp go just show up. All you get to see is 3 shuls and they explain a drop of history (the tour guide was not Jewish and it was pretty funny the things she made up about jewish life . Best bet would be to go for for one tiffila on Shabbos you get the real deal its very interesting, plus you get ברכת כהנים as well.
They duchan every shabbos? Ashkenaz?

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #2697 on: May 19, 2017, 04:32:47 PM »
If you really want tp go just show up. All you get to see is 3 shuls and they explain a drop of history (the tour guide was not Jewish and it was pretty funny the things she made up about jewish life . Best bet would be to go for for one tiffila on Shabbos you get the real deal its very interesting, plus you get ברכת כהנים as well.

Tour guide was terrible, but this is the only way to see all the shuls (they only daven in one of them)
Would recommend davening in the big shul too as it is a beautiful experience

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #2698 on: May 21, 2017, 12:46:29 AM »
any recent reports on ghimel garden and it's kashrus?

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« Reply #2699 on: May 22, 2017, 07:32:52 PM »
any recent reports on ghimel garden and it's kashrus?
They have a hechsher from the local bais din, it says its cholov yisroel etc,  I will add a point  not that this proves anything, but lots of jews from all different
sects were eating there be it  belz  families  from Israel and other chassidim from NY, and Australia, as well as lots of other Jewish families from around the globe.
 FYI They also offer parev Shabbos meals with pre reservations.