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Author Topic: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread  (Read 680704 times)

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #1700 on: April 23, 2018, 10:03:05 AM »
The Vaad is blasting all over the web how they are so proud of their new camera policy.

Rumor has it that this is in response to a horrible violation which occurred locally over Pesach. Did anybody else hear and verify that a local eatery was caught serving chometz on Pesach?
There werent too many places open so I feel like this kind of rumor is dangerous. Although if true I think we have a right to know.

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #1701 on: April 23, 2018, 10:20:11 AM »
There werent too many places open so I feel like this kind of rumor is dangerous. Although if true I think we have a right to know.
i can't imagine the vaad would allow a place with such an egregious violation to stay open

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #1702 on: April 23, 2018, 01:53:41 PM »
i can't imagine the vaad would allow a place with such an egregious violation to stay open
×1 . I'd be shocked if they'd allow something like that pass. Probably just another 5t's juicy rumor

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #1703 on: April 23, 2018, 02:51:29 PM »

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #1704 on: April 23, 2018, 03:35:52 PM »
There's definitely something going on.  Not just rumors. Read story with comments. https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/general/1509476/vaad-hakashrus-five-towns-now-requires-food-establishments-to-install-cameras-with-full-access-to-mashgichim.html
The comments just point to rumors, there is no evidence that such a thing happened. Also, the comments make it sound like a chinese store was involved. I dont think wok tov or the stop chop and roll chinese was open so it would be chosen. If not true then spreading this rumor is really bad. Again, if it is true I would think that the hashgacha would be pulled and the vaad would publicize the event

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #1705 on: April 23, 2018, 03:48:08 PM »
I have heard of a specific restaurant that was caught with chometz on pesach. I did not hear about it from a rabbi on the vaad, but did hear about it from my Rabbi. I will ask him whether i can publicize.

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #1706 on: April 23, 2018, 04:50:28 PM »
The comments just point to rumors, there is no evidence that such a thing happened. Also, the comments make it sound like a chinese store was involved. I dont think wok tov or the stop chop and roll chinese was open so it would be chosen. If not true then spreading this rumor is really bad. Again, if it is true I would think that the hashgacha would be pulled and the vaad would publicize the event

You are obviously not familiar with Vaad policy. There have been quite a few violations by establishments under their supervisions. Some recently. Confirmed. None lost their certification. All they get is a little "potch", until next time...

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #1707 on: April 23, 2018, 04:58:43 PM »
will our food prices reflect the new cost of the cameras?

How can they not publicize which establishments have had chametz on pesach?

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #1708 on: April 23, 2018, 05:42:06 PM »
How can they not publicize which establishments have had chametz on pesach?

The same way they have never publicized any other violations in the past. Losing a client translates into losing $$

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #1709 on: April 23, 2018, 06:00:35 PM »
You are obviously not familiar with Vaad policy. There have been quite a few violations by establishments under their supervisions. Some recently. Confirmed. None lost their certification. All they get is a little "potch", until next time...

Can you provide a specific example of your implications here?

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #1710 on: April 23, 2018, 07:29:28 PM »
There werent too many places open so I feel like this kind of rumor is dangerous. Although if true I think we have a right to know.

the letter that came along with the 5T camera request sourced the Johannesburg kashrus violation as their motivation. Did not mention a USA issue. Nothing mentioned about Pesach.
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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #1711 on: April 23, 2018, 07:30:42 PM »
Can you provide a specific example of your implications here?

Although I do know of specific examples, I am at liberty to share them in a public forum. But do some research, it shouldn't be too difficult to find out yourself. Maybe your Rabbi will be willing to share some info with you.

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #1712 on: April 23, 2018, 07:32:07 PM »
Although I do know of specific examples, I am at liberty to share them in a public forum. But do some research, it shouldn't be too difficult to find out yourself. Maybe your Rabbi will be willing to share some info with you.
You seemed critical of their lack of transparency earlier

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #1713 on: April 23, 2018, 07:33:14 PM »
the letter that came along with the 5T camera request sourced the Johannesburg kashrus violation as their motivation. Did not mention a USA issue. Nothing mentioned about Pesach.
Correct. They did not want to implicate themselves. But if it was because if those situations, why now? This is not the first time other places had issues.

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #1714 on: April 24, 2018, 09:22:34 AM »
why now?
Why Not now?  It's never been easier or more affordable to install video cameras. Especially with smartphone/app access which seems to be one of the requirements.
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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #1715 on: April 24, 2018, 09:45:29 AM »
Why Not now?  It's never been easier or more affordable to install video cameras. Especially with smartphone/app access which seems to be one of the requirements.

It has been just as easy and just as affordable for a long while now. Why all of a sudden after Pesach. And why the "chazer fees" advertising on all frum websites?

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #1716 on: April 24, 2018, 10:02:02 AM »
It has been just as easy and just as affordable for a long while now. Why all of a sudden after Pesach. And why the "chazer fees" advertising on all frum websites?

This is not exactly great logic. Complete speculation. Starting a rumor against the vaad with no evidence is not cool.

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #1717 on: April 24, 2018, 10:06:51 AM »
This is not exactly great logic. Complete speculation. Starting a rumor against the vaad with no evidence is not cool.
+1 (but hey, why not start a rumor. Or even if it's true, why not spread L"H against a community organization. Who wants mashiach to come anyway ???)

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #1718 on: April 24, 2018, 11:43:19 AM »
+1 (but hey, why not start a rumor. Or even if it's true, why not spread L"H against a community organization. Who wants mashiach to come anyway ???)

Rigjt. Better to eat chometz on Pesach. Do some research what really happened.

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #1719 on: April 24, 2018, 11:51:05 AM »
Rigjt. Better to eat chometz on Pesach. Do some research what really happened.


Umm I did. They found chameitz in a restaurant that sold their chameitz. Please stop trying to throw mud at the Vaad at every opportunity you have. Its easy to start rumors with no basis on a forum where no one knows your name and you dont specify your "sources".