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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #900 on: May 06, 2018, 09:52:42 PM »
Please stop.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #901 on: May 07, 2018, 11:48:46 AM »
Huh? ::)
How would I do that? Once it is deleted how would I quote it? Should I delete my post which you quoted and then complain that you quoted a deleted post?
To clarify I was appreciating it... Not criticising.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #902 on: May 08, 2018, 03:18:19 PM »
I think my issue with buying groups is, do I want to be someone else's B**CH for a few thousand miles and maybe a few dollars ? i'll do it for family and friends but meh, these buying groups are making HUGE profits off the peshutey am and i'm nobody B**CH

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #903 on: May 08, 2018, 03:19:26 PM »
I think my issue with buying groups is, do I want to be someone else's B**CH for a few thousand miles and maybe a few dollars ? i'll do it for family and friends but meh, these buying groups are making HUGE profits off the peshutey am and i'm nobody B**CH
I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #904 on: May 08, 2018, 03:19:55 PM »
How does a higher post count help you? Is there a way to monetize your DDF post count that I missed ?  ::)

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #905 on: May 08, 2018, 03:21:20 PM »
I think my issue with buying groups is, do I want to be someone else's B**CH for a few thousand miles and maybe a few dollars ? i'll do it for family and friends but meh, these buying groups are making HUGE profits off the peshutey am and i'm nobody B**CH
There are people making full time salaries by buying for groups
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #906 on: May 08, 2018, 03:22:09 PM »
I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not

NOPE, i'm serious. my neighbor and good friend works for one such company, i'll buy ipads for him as a favor, if I get a few thousand points and a few hundred dollars great. But i'm not buying junk for every swiping purpose for a few bucks

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« Reply #907 on: May 08, 2018, 03:23:23 PM »
NOPE, i'm serious. my neighbor and good friend works for one such company, i'll buy ipads for him as a favor, if I get a few thousand points and a few hundred dollars great. But i'm not buying junk for every swiping purpose for a few bucks
I hear you, I also hear the people making full salaries with this, as always, it's your choice.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #908 on: May 08, 2018, 03:25:30 PM »
There are people making full time salaries by buying for groups

I bet, bu you know how much the guys at the top make ?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #909 on: May 08, 2018, 03:26:20 PM »
I bet, bu you know how much the guys at the top make ?
I know how much I make in my full time job and I assume the owner is making way more. What's it point?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #910 on: May 08, 2018, 03:26:28 PM »
I hear you, I also hear the people making full salaries with this, as always, it's your choice.

Sure, thats fine. but you are essentially someone's low paid employee

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #911 on: May 08, 2018, 03:26:47 PM »
I bet, bu you know how much the guys at the top make ?
Let's tax the 1%!!
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #912 on: May 08, 2018, 03:27:19 PM »
Sure, thats fine. but you are essentially someone's low paid employee
Push your pride aside, there is nothing wrong with the concept.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #913 on: May 08, 2018, 03:29:19 PM »
Sure, thats fine. but you are essentially someone's low paid employee
No, I'm a contractor getting paid based on the time and effort that I put in. If a deal is lucrative and worth my time, I do it, if not, I don't. It's money they I otherwise wouldn't have, I don't understand why it would bother you that the guy you sell to makes more, I'm doing it for my own profit, not to benefit some reseller.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #914 on: May 08, 2018, 03:31:35 PM »
Fine... BUT you're still someone else's B****H.


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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #915 on: May 08, 2018, 03:33:49 PM »
Fine... BUT you're still someone else's B****H.
...as are many employees in basically every industry in the world.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #916 on: May 08, 2018, 03:34:44 PM »
Fine... BUT you're still someone else's B****H.
Yay!!!!! Thanks captain obvious. This is a free market, I sell to someone else who sells to someone else, and everyone makes money along the way, some more than others. I get that you have a massive chip on your shoulder but your idea of business and money is just really warped.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #917 on: May 08, 2018, 03:51:12 PM »
I know how much I make in my full time job and I assume the owner is making way more. What's it point?

This.

Anyone who is not Bezos makes less than the other guy.

You work in a company, your boss makes more than you. You own your own company? Your clients make more than you.  In both case, by your definition, you are someone's b**ch.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #918 on: May 08, 2018, 04:58:39 PM »
Fine... BUT you're still someone else's B****H.
Quick math, you are someones B***H and swipe $5000 on a card that gives you 1.5 on the dollar (freedom unlimited)
it take you 10 minutes to buy it, 2 minutes to sign for it and 20 minute to get it to him.
You spend 32 minutes and make 7,500 points valued at 1.4 that's $105 for a half hour worth of work.
My guess is most people on DDF (most) don't make $210 a hour.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #919 on: May 08, 2018, 05:08:25 PM »
Ok. So would somebody please let me on how not to get orders cancelled from BB. Everything is getting cancelled recently.