Married men wear a ring to the office?

[MarkS]

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Please explain?

I have considered wearing one but agree with the above points that a ring isn't necessary with my Yarmulka. My coworkers that I work with daily all know I'm married anyway and like written above, The women that have morals will respect the boundary, the immoral women don't care.

The one thing is that I wonder is what people think about the fact that I don't wear a ring.
If I saw a married guy without a ring I would assume he is in a fight with his wife or took it off so people won't know he's married. I was once questioned by a border agent asking where my ring was (since he had asked how we're related and I said married).

I saw a sefer where they said in the name of R' Nissan Karelitz that a ring isn't beged isha these days since it's normal for me to wear them.
He says you can also shave armpits etc just not with a razor for similar reason.

[12HRS]

He says you can also shave armpits etc just not with a razor for similar reason.

Men shave armpits nowadays?

[MoGro17]

Men shave armpits nowadays?

que the HEAVY tangent

[henche]

He says you can also shave armpits etc just not with a razor for similar reason.

Your own or other people's?

[MarkS]

Your own or other people's?

Your own.
No i don't personally know anyone that does but there are men who shave their bodies these days.

His point (and mine) is that just because 100 years ago something was beged isha doesn't make it beged isha today. If men do something in 2013 (rings) then it's not beged isha. I believe he even discusses the fact that it's not common by frum men but says since it is done by other men it's okay.

http://waterburyyeshiva.org/highlights/2011/03/halachos-of-wearing-clothing-of-another-gender/
Rav Moshe says a ring is okay too apparently   http://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/28926/may-a-man-wear-a-wedding-band

Shulchan Aruch YD 182 writes that a man may not remove the hair from his armpits and pubic area even with a scissors, but from other parts of the body it is only forbidden with a razor. However, the Tzemach Tzedek extends the prohibition of cutting with a scissors even to the face, as you mentioned. Additionally, Shulchan Aruch writes that if it becomes common for men to also remove their body hair it is no longer prohibited because of lo silbash, and the Prisha extends this to a situation where goyim remove the hair and Jews do not while other seforim disagree. This would seem to be the circumstance here, because it is common for many goyim to shave their chests. Furthermore, Shulchan Aruch stipulates that issur is only when shaving for beauty and not for health issues. While Shalom Bayis and "feeling dirty" may not fit into a strict definition of "health issues", there is a fascinating teshuva in Shoel u'Meishiv on the topic. There was a young man whose hair suddenly tuned white on one side of his head and face and he suffered extreme anguish and embarrassment from the condition. While other Poskim disagreed, the Shoel u'Meishiv permitted him to dye the white hairs black.

[Dan]

His point (and mine) is that just because 100 years ago something was beged isha doesn't make it beged isha today. If men do something in 2013 (rings) then it's not beged isha. I believe he even discusses the fact that it's not common by frum men but says since it is done by other men it's okay.

Once you go there, what about pants for women?

[MarkS]

Once you go there, what about pants for women?

That is considered a Tznius problem.

http://haemtza.blogspot.com/2010/07/modest-dress-in-orthodoxy.html

[churnbabychurn]

Rings were worn by Jewish men in tanach and the Talmud.

Though not as a sign of ownership by their wives like it is by today's "men"...

[churnbabychurn]

Once you go there, what about pants for women?

there are poskim who say that we don't judge the parameters of lo yilbash which is a tznius related issur, based on the way modern society dresses. They obviously dont care much for tzenius.

[Ergel]

Loose pants are more tzanua than what a lot of frum women wear nowadays

[Crazy tools]

Loose pants are more tzanua than what a lot of frum women wear nowadays

:-)

[ushdadude]

Rings were worn by Jewish men in tanach and the Talmud.

Though not as a sign of ownership by their wives like it is by today's "men"...

lol
I didn't realize I "owned" my wife

[churnbabychurn]

lol
I didn't realize I "owned" my wife

#todays women

[Ergel]

:-(

FTFY

[aygart]

lol
I didn't realize I "owned" my wife

Haisha niknes....

[dd321]

Please explain?

IME when I decline a handshake due to religion, women respect it.

[MarkS]

IME when I decline a handshake due to religion, women respect it.

It happens to me daily. I usually see a flustered look on their face (although I believe I have a polite declining explanation) and I then feel I need to make up for it by being extra conversant and interested to show that I am normal.

[dd321]

It happens to me daily. I usually see a flustered look on their face (although I believe I have a polite declining explanation) and I then feel I need to make up for it by being extra conversant and interested to show that I am normal.

it's def a akward ordeal and not the norm, but most women respect it.

[rots5]

Loose pants are more tzanua than what a lot of frum women wear nowadays

Ergal, i agree with you one illion percent. R' Simi Rosenblatt once told me that he told a women its better for you to wear pants than it is to wear short skirts... (he has said i can say his name)

Secondly, no one is discussing the mans side of this. Maybe men should wear a ring as a reminder. Dont forget, that men will always be men, but im sure a ring can help the temptation a little more (in a good way).

It happens to me daily. I usually see a flustered look on their face (although I believe I have a polite declining explanation) and I then feel I need to make up for it by being extra conversant and interested to show that I am normal.

I was in a very big college once talking to a few professors and the dean. I remember the one women stuck out her hand and i was about about to shake her hand and she said oh wait, do you hold that its part of your religion not to shake... i said yes, but in front of so many prominent people i knew walking over here i might have this issue and i realized that it would make you feel very uncomfortable in front of the others if i didnt and even if i said the religion answer, and you fully understood it, you still would feel slighted.

(i happened to have known the halacha that shelo bderech chiba theres room to be maykul)

[ushdadude]

it's def a akward ordeal and not the norm, but most women respect it.

False...unless you work at b&h