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Internet Filters
« on: November 10, 2010, 11:22:18 PM »
Internet Filters

I am surprised that there isn't already a topic on this forum about this, but it my opinion there shouldnt be a home in this country Jewish or otherwise that should have unfiltered internet in their house.  The accessibility of pornography and all other forms of trash that represent the lowest forms of human society is only a mouse click away and nobody should have to face such a test.

Below I will include list of the internet filters that I am familiar with: (if possible I can try to keep this list up-to-date if others add comments for ones that I missed)

1.  K9WebProtection - www.k9webprotection.com - Best FREE internet filter that I know of which is very customizable and easy to install, and pretty hard to bypass.

2.  OpenDNS - www.opendns.com - Another FREE filter that works based on DNS filtering, however this filter is extremely easy to bypass, it is basically just doing the reverse of the installation.  In my opinion it is great as a second layer of protection but should not be relied upon as a first line of defense.

3.  Covenant Eyes - www.covenanteyes.com - A very popular internet monitoring tool which can either include just accountability reports which basically send a summary of all questionable websites visited to a third party but doesnt actually block anything, or also can provide actual website filtering as well.  There is a charge for this service however it varies because many places have "group" discounts with Covenant Eyes and therefor you can get a better annual rate.  (As a side note I had Covenant Eyes on my computer and it wreaked havoc, because it is often incompatible with many other programs.  It is possible that they have gotten better since I last tried it, but the program is designed to act like any other form of malware which embeds itself in the system to make sure it is difficult to bypass, but that could cause other unwanted issues.)

4.  Netnanny - www.netnanny.com -My personal favorite internet filter which provides a ton of customizable features, my favorite of which being that you can have different account logins within the same computer so that each one can have its own customized internet filtering settings.  Also Netnanny allows remote access so that if you install it on your computer and a friend has the password, and a site that is OK gets blocked for some reason, you can send a request to them to unblock it and they can do that remotely.  Netnanny also gives the ability to send emails whenever an attempt to go to a blocked site is made, to prevent someone from constantly "trying to test the limits" to find something that is not blocked.  Netnanny does charge a $39.99 per year for one computer license or $59.98 for 3 computers, which in my opinion is a VERY reasonable price to pay to protect yourself and your family from the dangers of the internet (This is the filter that I personally use on my computer)

I am sure that there are many other very good filters out there, but these are the ones that I have firsthand knowledge of, please feel free to post comments below and I can try to update this list.


Feel free to post your thoughts!
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Re: Internet Filters
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2010, 11:34:45 PM »
Sorry, I just noticed that there is an old thread about this here: http://www.dansdeals.com/forums/index.php?topic=281.0

It happens to be a very old thread and possibly it is worthwhile to start a new one.  If moderators feel like they would rather consolidate the 2 then I guess I can't argue.

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Re: Internet Filters
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2010, 02:10:03 AM »
I prefer DNS filtering as opposed to client side. I have my router set to openDNS, and the setting set accordingly
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Re: Internet Filters
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2010, 04:48:58 AM »
The problems with those tools, is that when they are famous you just type on google: how do I remove k9, and you get a whole list of instructions...

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Re: Internet Filters
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2010, 04:51:28 AM »
For people living in israel, get rimon internet.

Stuff is filtered by them, and even google just omits the the results that aren't appropriate.

Also they will restructure a webpage to look normal, if they have to remove part of it.

It works for all languages, unlike k9 which is only for english.

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Re: Internet Filters
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2010, 01:50:13 PM »
Someone once told me that K9 is virtually impossible to bypass. I looked online and found that all the solutions no longer worked on the new version, or you needed to fake uninstall it etc.

So I sat down for about an hour and created a program which breaks K9 and all you need to do is reboot after you run it.

No little kids, I will not post the program here for you to get out of your Yeshiva/Parents internet block.

I personally have a combination of K9 and OpenDNS. I find that sometimes OpenDNS doesn't always work properly, and if you need to get to a legitimate site it's a big pain. Versus K9 where you type in the password and can unblock that site for a few minutes. Then again, some people may not trust themselves with the password.

Bottom line is that nothing is perfect. Even the web chaver has issues and I know they are trying to fix/change them but still.

There is a Rosh Yeshiva in Israel who is working on a new type of internet filter that supposedly combines a lot of the old technology into a system that everyone (or almost everyone) will be happy with.
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Re: Internet Filters
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2010, 02:05:18 PM »
There is a Rosh Yeshiva in Israel who is working on a new type of internet filter that supposedly combines a lot of the old technology into a system that everyone (or almost everyone) will be happy with.
Have you discussed anything with him? I was thinking of mentioning OpenDNS to him. BTW, DynDNS is supposedly much better, plus compatibility with almost every router.
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Re: Internet Filters
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2010, 04:55:06 PM »
K9 is great. plus it keeps track of every site visited.

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Re: Internet Filters
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2010, 10:32:11 PM »
Have you discussed anything with him? I was thinking of mentioning OpenDNS to him. BTW, DynDNS is supposedly much better, plus compatibility with almost every router.

I dont see why OpenDNS wouldn't be compatible with every router. The problem is with DNS filtering is that you can easily change DNS settings on individual computer.

The problem with DynDNS is that you can not use the free version on a route whereas with OpenDNS you can.
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Re: Internet Filters
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2010, 01:08:51 AM »
I dont see why OpenDNS wouldn't be compatible with every router.
You're right. What I should have said was that most routers are compatible with the Dynamic IP update for DynDNS, where OpenDNS usually requires DDWRT, or an app installed on a system, which can sort of make the whole reason of using DNS filtering pointless.
The problem is with DNS filtering is that you can easily change DNS settings on individual computer.
Unless the IP structure has changed recently, when I tested it, the router's DNS overrode the system DNS
The problem with DynDNS is that you can not use the free version on a route whereas with OpenDNS you can.
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Re: Internet Filters
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2010, 01:46:05 PM »
Sorry router. OpenDNS should work with inadyn script built into most routers.

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Re: Internet Filters
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2010, 09:42:12 PM »
Chaikel, lol...you don't need to "mention" openDNS to him. He has professionals who have been working on this for quite a while now. They are working on a system much more secure and complex (from what I understand) than opendns which is basic basic basic.
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Re: Internet Filters
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2010, 01:38:13 AM »
Chaikel, lol...you don't need to "mention" openDNS to him. He has professionals who have been working on this for quite a while now. They are working on a system much more secure and complex (from what I understand) than opendns which is basic basic basic.
I didn't mean OpenDNS per say, from what I hear his thing is client side, which only solves half a problem when netbooks can be had for not much more than $100. Not to mention reformatting.
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Re: Internet Filters
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2010, 03:16:56 AM »
There is a Rosh Yeshiva in Israel who is working on a new type of internet filter that supposedly combines a lot of the old technology into a system that everyone (or almost everyone) will be happy with.

Who is this Rosh Yeshiva that you are speaking of? If you dont want to post it on the forum, can you send me a pm, I'd be very interested to find out who it was and possibly discuss some of my opinions on the matter, I have done a considerable amount of testing and research on the subject.

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Re: Internet Filters
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2010, 10:35:53 AM »
I didn't mean OpenDNS per say, from what I hear his thing is client side, which only solves half a problem when netbooks can be had for not much more than $100. Not to mention reformatting.

Well then youll always have an issue because someone can purchase a Mifi and have their own unfiltered internet connection. The best solution IMO is client side software like Covenant Eyes. Very hard to remove. If removed and/or reinstalled theres an alert. And if theres no activity (i.e. some one reformatted computer, purchased a new one) then you will know theres a problem.
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