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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #60 on: November 05, 2017, 11:22:35 PM »
I have a 4 foot fixture that has 4 LED bulbs

What ballast do I need, it says "Use only with instant start ballasts", is there anything I'm supposed to look out for? or standard ballasts are "Instant start"?

Model # is
Philips 9290011242
T8 12w/850
Instantfit 453613
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #61 on: November 06, 2017, 10:22:37 AM »
I have a 4 foot fixture that has 4 LED bulbs

What ballast do I need, it says "Use only with instant start ballasts", is there anything I'm supposed to look out for? or standard ballasts are "Instant start"?

Model # is
Philips 9290011242
T8 12w/850
Instantfit 453613
IINM LED fixtures don't need ballasts, a ballast is only used as a starter for fluorescent
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #62 on: November 06, 2017, 09:52:08 PM »
IINM LED fixtures don't need ballasts, a ballast is only used as a starter for fluorescent
You're right that LED works without a ballast, replacing a fluorescent bulb with led you have 2 (3) options 1) rewire and bypass the ballast. 2) get led bulbs special designed with a driver to be compatible with a ballast, their are 2 types of bulbs that are compatible with a ballast some can handle a ballast and others reuire a ballast, unfortunately the bulbs I'm referring to require a ballast all I want to know is what type of ballast.

Please correct me if i'm wrong,
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #64 on: November 10, 2017, 02:47:50 PM »
I have a 4 foot fixture that has 4 LED bulbs

What ballast do I need, it says "Use only with instant start ballasts", is there anything I'm supposed to look out for? or standard ballasts are "Instant start"?

Model # is
Philips 9290011242
T8 12w/850
Instantfit 453613
Too bad the manufacturer left the 12W bulbs off the compatibility list. http://images.philips.com/is/content/PhilipsConsumer/PDFDownloads/United%20States/ODLI20170825_001_UPD_en_US_PLt-16118CR_InstantFit_Ballast_Compatibility_Guide_2017.pdf

However, you can see that the same ballasts are okay for the 10W and 14W 4 foot bulbs, so presumably they would be fine for the 12W too.

When I was shopping for 4 foot LED tubes, I deliberately sought out the ones that did not need a ballast and I threw the the old ballasts in the trash.

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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #65 on: November 28, 2017, 12:35:05 PM »
So I have an American power bar that I've been using in Israel with a little chupchik...decided to cut off the American plug and put an Israeli plug so I don't need a chupchik anymore, now every time I plug it in the fuse blows.

I've tried switching the black and the white wire with the green in, still blows.

I took the green out and just left the white and black in, doesn't blow.

Suggestions?

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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #66 on: November 28, 2017, 05:19:39 PM »
What were you using, an adapter?
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #67 on: November 28, 2017, 05:38:46 PM »
What were you using, an adapter?
Yes, in Israel anything can be called a chupchik. Looks something like this.

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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #68 on: November 28, 2017, 06:08:25 PM »
There is no grounding plug on that. You had the plug wired correctly. Makes me think the outlet is the problem.
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #69 on: November 28, 2017, 08:22:46 PM »
Chaim, you an electrician?

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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #70 on: November 29, 2017, 02:55:01 AM »
There is no grounding plug on that. You had the plug wired correctly. Makes me think the outlet is the problem.
Outlet works fine for other things, I'll try power bar in a different outlet to check

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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #71 on: November 29, 2017, 08:52:08 AM »
So I have an American power bar that I've been using in Israel with a little chupchik...decided to cut off the American plug and put an Israeli plug so I don't need a chupchik anymore, now every time I plug it in the fuse blows.

I've tried switching the black and the white wire with the green in, still blows.

I took the green out and just left the white and black in, doesn't blow.

Suggestions?

I assume the photo is of the Israeli plug and the wiring configuration shown in the photo blew the fuse. Correct?

What is "an American power bar"? A power strip, surge protector or something else?
Which fuse blows - the one that protects the outlet or the fuse in the "American power bar"?

What suggestion are you seeking? Does it not work with the green wire disconnected?

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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #72 on: November 29, 2017, 08:55:41 AM »
Chaim, you an electrician?
No but have done a lot of electrical work. It is pretty easy to understand.
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #73 on: November 29, 2017, 08:58:13 AM »
Outlet works fine for other things, I'll try power bar in a different outlet to check
Did the power bar work in the US?
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #74 on: November 29, 2017, 09:05:20 AM »
I assume the photo is of the Israeli plug and the wiring configuration shown in the photo blew the fuse. Correct?

What is "an American power bar"? A power strip, surge protector or something else?
Which fuse blows - the one that protects the outlet or the fuse in the "American power bar"?

What suggestion are you seeking? Does it not work with the green wire disconnected?
Correct

Power strip

Fuse protecting the outlet

Any reason not to use it without the green? Why is the green making it blow?
Did the power bar work in the US?
Yes.

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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #75 on: November 29, 2017, 09:32:20 AM »
Any reason not to use it without the green? Why is the green making it blow?Yes.
The green is grounding for your protection.

Most likely reason is there is some sort of short between black and green. Either in the power bar or outlet wiring. Test power bar in another outlet. Also for this outlet plug something in that uses the grounding plug and see what happens.

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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #76 on: November 29, 2017, 09:36:17 AM »
Is the power strip rated for 220v
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #77 on: November 29, 2017, 11:23:36 PM »
Is the power strip rated for 220v
He was already pumping 220 volts into it before the rewiring and that did not blow the fuse. The only difference I see is that previously the ground prong would slip below the international adapter and not make contact with anything, but now the ground wire from the power strip connects to what is supposed to be the ground prong of the outlet. Some surge protectors have an LED that indicates the status of the ground and I thought that there is a possibility that connecting the ground wire could activate the circuitry for that and cause the overload. This is why I asked if it was a power strip or a surge protector. If it's just a power strip it shouldn't have any electronics of its own and the extra voltage should not make a difference unless it was truly being overloaded by a high wattage item plugged into the power strip.

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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #78 on: November 30, 2017, 10:06:03 AM »
Any update?
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #79 on: December 01, 2017, 01:38:13 PM »
I hope @yitrap is OK!  :)
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