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Re: 3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist!
« Reply #980 on: July 17, 2014, 02:40:37 AM »
B"H they took care of them. That could've been very bad.
seriously... can't handle the thought of what's to come... :-[

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Re: 3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist!
« Reply #981 on: July 17, 2014, 02:43:07 AM »
seriously... can't handle the thought of what's to come... :-[
Hashem watches over his beloved children.

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Re: 3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist!
« Reply #982 on: July 17, 2014, 02:50:31 AM »
Hashem watches over his beloved children.
yes, but many times what makes perfect sense to Hashem, small minded me just can't grasp

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Re: 3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist!
« Reply #983 on: July 17, 2014, 03:03:42 AM »
& it's ceasefire time. As of a few minutes ago the sirens were still going.

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Re: 3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist!
« Reply #984 on: July 17, 2014, 03:11:54 AM »
& it's ceasefire time. As of a few minutes ago the sirens were still going.
non-freaking-stop!!

9:55am Rocket Alert Eshkol Region
9:30am Sirens Beer Sheva x2
8:45am Sirens in Elad....Rosh Haayin. .. Bnei Brak...all over the place....ongoing sirens.
8:43am Sirens in Tel Aviv....Kfar Saba....Raanana....Petach Tikva....big strike on its way
8:43am Bnei Brak, GIvat Shmuel, Givaataim, Ramat Gan, Gush Dan...
8:42am Sirens Petach Tiva, Raanana, South...
8:42am Rocket Sirens starting....Sharon region.
8:41am Sirens Ashkelon, Ashkelon Beach
7:41 AM Rockets x2 Merchavim, Beer Sheva

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Re: 3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist!
« Reply #985 on: July 17, 2014, 03:17:57 AM »
non-freaking-stop!!
...
bibi clearly stated that a single rocket fired during that time will be met with force. The 15 terrorists that just tried to wreak havoc on Israel a few hours ago should automatically make a 48 hour postponement on any ceasefire. i.e. we are letting you feed your troops for 5 hours and you are coming in to kill our kibbutz families?
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Re: 3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist!
« Reply #986 on: July 17, 2014, 03:40:36 AM »
"10:25am Shaky humanitarian window open till 3pm. IDF spox announced that it will resume full military action then against Hamas."

IDF calling a TO...

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Re: 3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist!
« Reply #987 on: July 17, 2014, 03:46:47 AM »
"10:25am Shaky humanitarian window open till 3pm. IDF spox announced that it will resume full military action then against Hamas."
IDF calling a TO...

egypt tried to broker it. maybe this is bibi's quote,
  "We are holding our fire until 3 PM today in order to enable a humanitarian window in Gaza. If Hamas fires, we will respond with force."
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Re: 3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist!
« Reply #988 on: July 17, 2014, 03:48:06 AM »
egypt tried to broker it. maybe this is bibi's quote,
  "We are holding our fire until 3 PM today in order to enable a humanitarian window in Gaza. If Hamas fires, we will respond with force."
too nice!

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Re: 3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist!
« Reply #989 on: July 17, 2014, 04:11:33 AM »
too nice!
And prob full of crap

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Re: 3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist!
« Reply #990 on: July 17, 2014, 04:26:56 AM »

wow

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Re: 3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist!
« Reply #992 on: July 17, 2014, 05:25:57 AM »
"11:59am Sirens in Eshkol region....(Humanitarian Cease Fire)"
here we go...

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Re: 3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist!
« Reply #993 on: July 17, 2014, 09:11:51 AM »
Excellent analysis, especially in the first half. I hear Hamas hasn't paid salaries for a while now.

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/8610128c-0c33-11e4-9080-00144feabdc0.html#axzz37hdZY25c


ETA: This one is very good too, although I do find it biased against Bibbi/Israel.

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/d463be02-0b7f-11e4-9e55-00144feabdc0.html?siteedition=intl#axzz37hdZY25c

YESTERDAY:Excellent analysis TOO

Hamas and affiliate militant factions out of the Gaza Strip are so far rejecting an Egyptian-proposed cease-fire, having launched far more than 100 rockets since the cease-fire proposal. In exposing Israel's inability to stem the rocket flow, Hamas is trying to claim a symbolic victory over Israel. Hamas' spin aside, the military reality paints a very different picture.

Palestinian militants have launched more than 1,200 rockets, but their limited range and accuracy combined with Israeli defensive capabilities have led to only one civilian death, less than 100 further casualties and disruptions to daily life over the past week. Conversely, Israel Defense Forces have struck more than 1,500 targets in Gaza, inflicting much heavier destruction on the militants. On the surface, the exchange of fire might seem balanced, but conflicts are measured by more than aggregate numbers of casualties and explosions.

Nonstate actors such as Hamas and many of its peer organizations, of course, need some ability to exert force if they are to influence the actions of a state whose imperatives run counter to their own. The Gaza Strip is small and its resource base is limited, reducing the options for force. This makes cheap asymmetric tactics and strategies ideal.

What is a Geopolitical Diary? George Friedman Explains.

For Gaza and its militants, terrorizing the Israeli population through limited force often has previously influenced, constrained or forced the hand of the Israeli government and its subsequent policies. It accomplished this with assassinations, ambushes or suicide bombings targeting security forces or Israeli citizens. A confluence of events later led to a gradual evolution in the conflict. By 2006, the security wall that surrounds and contains the Gaza Strip had eliminated militants' ability to directly engage the Israeli populace and security personnel, and Israel Defense Forces had completely withdrawn from the territory. Meanwhile, Hezbollah had demonstrated the effectiveness of relatively cheap artillery rockets volleyed into Israel in a high enough volume to seriously disrupt the daily life of Israeli life. While artillery rockets were not new to Gaza, the conditions were ripe for this tactic's adoption. The intent was to build up a substantial arsenal of the weapons and increase their range to threaten Israel's entire population as much as possible. (Increased range was also needed to overcome Israel's growing defensive capabilities.) This would be the asymmetric threat that could be used to project force, albeit limited force, from Gaza.

This threat has framed the Israel-Gaza conflict ever since. On one side are Gaza militants constantly working to smuggle rockets of ever-increasing ability and range into the strip while expanding their stockpiles out of direct reach of Israel Defense Forces, and simultaneously preparing launch sites to strike from when needed. On the other side, Israeli forces are constantly gathering intelligence and using targeted operations in an effort to keep rockets from entering Gaza, prevent the stockpiles of rockets from growing and destroy launch sites. Since 2006, this dynamic has come to a head three times, with serious escalation from both sides and resulting Israel Defense Forces operations. The first was Operation Cast Lead in 2008, which included a limited ground incursion. Next came Operation Pillar of Defense in 2012, and now there is Operation Protective Edge. Though separated in time, in many ways they are a continuation of the same security dynamic.

Much of this cyclical nature is because both sides are operating under serious limitations, preventing either from gaining "victory" or some form of permanent resolution. For Israel there are two main limitations. The first is the intelligence gaps created by monitoring from the outside and having no permanent presence on the ground. The Israelis have been unable to stop the rockets from getting into Gaza, cannot be sure where they are exactly and can only degrade the ability to launch with airstrikes and naval strikes.

This leads to the second constraint, which is the cost associated with overcoming this gap by doing a serious and comprehensive clearing of the entire strip. Though Operation Cast Lead did have a ground component, it was limited and did not enter the major urban areas or serious tunnel networks within them. This is exactly where many of the resources associated with the rocket threat reside. The intense urban operation that would result if Israeli forces entered those areas would have a huge cost in casualties for Israeli personnel and for civilians, the latter resulting in intense international and domestic pressure being brought to bear against the Israeli government. For decision-makers, the consequences of sitting back and absorbing rocket attacks versus trying to comprehensively accomplish the military objective of eliminating this capability keep weighing on the side of managing the problem from a distance.

But the longer the conflict lasts, the more complications the militants in Gaza face as they see their threat of force erode with time. Adversaries adapt to tactics, and in this case Israel Defense Forces have steadily improved their ability to mitigate the disruptive ability of these attacks through a combination of responsive air power and Iron Dome batteries that effectively provide protection to urban populations. Subsequently, the terror and disruption visited upon the Israeli population diminishes slightly, and the pressures on the government lessen.

So militants seem to be in a position to maintain their tool, but that tool is becoming less effective and imposing fewer costs. This raises the question of what new tactic or capability the militants will adopt next to exert new costs on Israel. Many surmise the incident that started this latest round -- the kidnapping and killing of three Israeli teenagers in the West Bank -- might become the tactic of choice if it proves effective in accomplishing its goals and is repeatable. The militants will also almost certainly attempt to refine their projectiles' accuracy and range through the acquisition of more advanced rockets or even missiles. What is certain regarding the latest round of fighting is that we are far from seeing victory or any form of conclusion and that the conflict will continue to evolve.

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Re: 3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist!
« Reply #995 on: July 17, 2014, 12:06:16 PM »
This guy is literally unbelievable. Kudos to Hilary for not going along with it, though posturing it may be.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/183015#.U8fyZfldX1Y
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: 3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist!
« Reply #996 on: July 17, 2014, 12:44:46 PM »
Hamas: we have hit 90% of the Iron Dome missiles launched at us.

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Re: 3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist!
« Reply #997 on: July 17, 2014, 12:45:43 PM »
This guy is literally unbelievable. Kudos to Hilary for not going along with it, though posturing it may be.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/183015#.U8fyZfldX1Y

I am so amazed that she spoke that way. She now has my vote if she runs for president.

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Re: 3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist!
« Reply #998 on: July 17, 2014, 12:48:52 PM »

Hamas: we have hit 90% of the Iron Dome missiles launched at us.

Lol.

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Re: 3 bochurim kidnapped by terrorist!
« Reply #999 on: July 17, 2014, 01:15:56 PM »
Palestinian Authority Health Minister Drive In Ambulance In Gaza & Hamas Members Throw Stones Smashing His Windows