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Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
« Reply #45 on: October 25, 2017, 05:04:49 PM »
Why is it so complicated?

The pipe in the goose's throat can make it treifah.
And the liver needs to be kosherized by broiling, but broiling just a bit too much ruins the foie gras.

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Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
« Reply #46 on: October 25, 2017, 05:27:12 PM »
Why is it so complicated?
Geshtupte ganz Is not so simple to ever be kosher. Many families in avoided it in Europe and it is a machlokes haposkim. The incidence of tarfus was always extremely high and the families which did eat them took a major risk that they would lose the whole thing when doing it.
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Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
« Reply #47 on: October 25, 2017, 10:52:14 PM »
The pipe in the goose's throat can make it treifah.
And the liver needs to be kosherized by broiling, but broiling just a bit too much ruins the foie gras.
I'm well aware of the concerns. More susceptible to traifah and ruinage. That doesn't explain why it's complicated for a kashrus agency. (But maybe explains why it costs $150 a lobe)

Geshtupte ganz Is not so simple to ever be kosher. Many families in avoided it in Europe and it is a machlokes haposkim. The incidence of tarfus was always extremely high and the families which did eat them took a major risk that they would lose the whole thing when doing it.
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Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
« Reply #48 on: October 25, 2017, 10:54:01 PM »
I'm well aware of the concerns. More susceptible to traifah and ruinage. That doesn't explain why it's complicated for a kashrus agency. (But maybe explains why it costs $150 a lobe)
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Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
« Reply #49 on: October 26, 2017, 07:29:01 AM »
Huh?
The point is that just because it has a higher probability of becoming a traifah, doesn't necessarily make it more complicated for a kashrus agency. The machlokes haposkim you reference and/or the financial viability is neither here nor there.

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Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
« Reply #50 on: October 26, 2017, 07:51:05 AM »
The point is that just because it has a higher probability of becoming a traifah, doesn't necessarily make it more complicated for a kashrus agency. The machlokes haposkim you reference and/or the financial viability is neither here nor there.
You are making it as if when it is a treifa it has a big red flashing light on its head to tell them "I am not kosher"
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Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
« Reply #51 on: October 26, 2017, 08:37:57 AM »
You are making it as if when it is a treifa it has a big red flashing light on its head to tell them "I am not kosher"
Checking for traifah is the bread and butter of every kashrus agency overseeing shechita. Hence, if you trust them to tell you your chicken is not a traifa, it's not more complicated to tell you geshtupte genz is kosher

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Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
« Reply #52 on: October 26, 2017, 09:05:29 AM »
Checking for traifah is the bread and butter of every kashrus agency overseeing shechita. Hence, if you trust them to tell you your chicken is not a traifa, it's not more complicated to tell you geshtupte genz is kosher
It doesn't seem to me that you have a great understanding of treifos and hechsherim.
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Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
« Reply #53 on: October 26, 2017, 09:44:08 AM »
It doesn't seem to me that you have a great understanding of treifos and hechsherim.
Can you try to be a bit more vague

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Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
« Reply #54 on: October 26, 2017, 10:08:34 AM »
Can you try to be a bit more vague
They don't have a big red light saying that it is a treifa. Someone needs to screen it then someone needs to pasken on it whether or not it is a treifa. When it is done on a mass scale it is more likely to get by. When it is a lower level hechsher that also raises questions as to whether or not you trust their psak on the treifa. That makes a hechsher much more of a problem than the woman in the shtetle who checked one chicken and brought any shailo to the local rov not less of a problem. The rabbonim hamachshirim of slaughterhouses will be the first to tell you this.
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Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
« Reply #55 on: October 26, 2017, 10:38:26 AM »
They don't have a big red light saying that it is a treifa. Someone needs to screen it then someone needs to pasken on it whether or not it is a treifa. When it is done on a mass scale it is more likely to get by. When it is a lower level hechsher that also raises questions as to whether or not you trust their psak on the treifa. That makes a hechsher much more of a problem than the woman in the shtetle who checked one chicken and brought any shailo to the local rov not less of a problem. The rabbonim hamachshirim of slaughterhouses will be the first to tell you this.
Again, you are avoiding the issue. The premise here is that they ARE reliable when it comes to paskening trayfus. To remind you, we are going on the assumption that people rely on them for poultry. If they can be relied upon for mass scale chickens, it would seem to be logical that they can be relied upon to pasken goose liver where 1. It's probably not produced on a mass scale and 2. They are more likely to check better than a chicken since there is a higher probability of a traifah.

Not sure what you are not getting, but if you can provide a logical argument as to why it's more complicated for a kashrus organization to certify a goose liver over a regular chicken, I'm all ears.

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Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
« Reply #56 on: October 26, 2017, 10:43:02 AM »
Again, you are avoiding the issue. The premise here is that they ARE reliable when it comes to paskening trayfus. To remind you, we are going on the assumption that people rely on them for poultry. If they can be relied upon for mass scale chickens, it would seem to be logical that they can be relied upon to pasken goose liver where 1. It's probably not produced on a mass scale and 2. They are more likely to check better than a chicken since there is a higher probability of a traifah.

Not sure what you are not getting, but if you can provide a logical argument as to why it's more complicated for a kashrus organization to certify a goose liver over a regular chicken, I'm all ears.

Regular chickens is very straightforward. It's not like cows that need to be checked internally,  and traibered

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Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
« Reply #57 on: October 26, 2017, 10:47:57 AM »
Regular chickens is very straightforward. It's not like cows that need to be checked internally,  and traibered
We aren't talking about cows

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Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
« Reply #58 on: October 26, 2017, 10:49:01 AM »
Whatever.  I don't have a horse in this race

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Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
« Reply #59 on: October 26, 2017, 10:55:21 AM »
Whatever.  I don't have a horse in this race

Definitely need a good hechsher for that
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