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Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
« Reply #60 on: October 26, 2017, 10:56:51 AM »
We aren't talking about cows
But considering the higher complexity, which is more than just a higher incidence, why are you assuming that it is the straightforward chicken rather than the complicated cow?
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Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
« Reply #61 on: October 26, 2017, 10:58:03 AM »
Whatever.  I don't have a horse in this race
You have one as much as I do. It's a question of logic. If I were to go to my rov who I always bring my chickens to to check for traifah, and this time I bring him a chicken that prior to slaughtering it, my kids played catch with it so bigger probability that it's a traifah, is it logical to say that for some reason, it's more complicated for this rov to render a psak? Especially if I told him about the higher probability?

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Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
« Reply #62 on: October 26, 2017, 10:59:46 AM »
You have one as much as I do.

Good,  so we both don't!

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Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
« Reply #63 on: October 26, 2017, 11:00:30 AM »
But considering the higher complexity, which is more than just a higher incidence, why are you assuming that it is the straightforward chicken rather than the complicated cow?
Please explain why it's more complex. Seems pretty straightforward. There was a feeding tube stuck down its throat. We all know that. Now we shall check if said tube made it traif. That's the only difference between it and a regular chicken.

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Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
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Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
« Reply #65 on: October 26, 2017, 11:01:45 AM »
Please explain why it's more complex. Seems pretty straightforward. There was a feeding tube stuck down its throat. We all know that. Now we shall check if said tube made it traif. That's the only difference between it and a regular chicken.

Is veal more complicated that beef? Why? It's just a cow stuck in a pen and force fed.
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Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
« Reply #66 on: October 26, 2017, 11:04:04 AM »
Is veal more complicated that beef? Why? It's just a cow stuck in a pen and force fed.
I don't know the details of veal so unfortunately I can't comment.

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Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
« Reply #67 on: October 26, 2017, 11:06:33 AM »
I don't know the details of veal so unfortunately I can't comment.

That's a shame because it's the perfect analogy  ;D
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Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
« Reply #68 on: October 26, 2017, 11:08:51 AM »
Please explain why it's more complex. Seems pretty straightforward. There was a feeding tube stuck down its throat. We all know that. Now we shall check if said tube made it traif. That's the only difference between it and a regular chicken.
nikuvas haveshet is not the same as dakin. also, it is not only the veshet which is more complex. Look through the poskim discussing geshtupte ganz and you will see why. Do you have knowledge about this to base your assumptions on or is it only conjecture with no real basis?
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Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
« Reply #69 on: October 26, 2017, 11:09:33 AM »
I don't know the details of veal so unfortunately I can't comment.
Do you know the details of stuffed birds?
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Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
« Reply #70 on: October 26, 2017, 11:10:56 AM »
That's a shame because it's the perfect analogy  ;D
The question here is if the feeding tube made a hole. Don't think one needs to be a rocket scientist to figure that out. So my guess would be that there isn't somewhere specific in the veal.

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Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
« Reply #71 on: October 26, 2017, 11:14:07 AM »
nikuvas haveshet is not the same as dakin. also, it is not only the veshet which is more complex. Look through the poskim discussing geshtupte ganz and you will see why. Do you have knowledge about this to base your assumptions on or is it only conjecture with no real basis?
What's the relevance. Either answer the question or don't. As Shapiro once said, you don't need a degree in Sociology to know BS when you see it

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Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
« Reply #72 on: October 26, 2017, 11:15:11 AM »
You have one as much as I do. It's a question of logic. If I were to go to my rov who I always bring my chickens to to check for traifah, and this time I bring him a chicken that prior to slaughtering it, my kids played catch with it so bigger probability that it's a traifah, is it logical to say that for some reason, it's more complicated for this rov to render a psak? Especially if I told him about the higher probability?
Whether it is logical or not, a nefula has much more complicated dinim and has an entire siman discussing how to deal with it and how the methods to check it are much more complex.
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Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
« Reply #73 on: October 26, 2017, 11:16:58 AM »
The question here is if the feeding tube made a hole. Don't think one needs to be a rocket scientist to figure that out. So my guess would be that there isn't somewhere specific in the veal.
Why do you think that is the only extra issue?
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Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
« Reply #74 on: October 26, 2017, 11:18:16 AM »
Whether it is logical or not, a nefula has much more complicated dinim and has an entire siman discussing how to deal with it and how the methods to check it are much more complex.
I'm coming from a point of logic. If I'm wrong, so be it.

FWIW, the kashrus agencies in Israel don't allow FG due to either tzaar baalei chaim or humanitarian reasons (not the same thing)