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Re: Sold miles, broker never used them, what's their status?
« Reply #160 on: December 12, 2017, 12:52:57 AM »
I hope a Rav wouldn't pasken based on some quick reading on DDF. Someone not familiar with the industry isn't going to find the information they need anywhere online.

Well, assuming no rav is qualified to pasken, then, how else should OP decide than to ask us?

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Re: Sold miles, broker never used them, what's their status?
« Reply #161 on: December 12, 2017, 12:59:28 AM »
Well, assuming no rav is qualified to pasken, then, how else should OP decide than to ask us?
I'm saying if the rav needed more information im order to pasken, he'd have to speak to someone in the industry, not just Google it.
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Re: Sold miles, broker never used them, what's their status?
« Reply #162 on: December 12, 2017, 01:05:22 AM »
I'm saying if the rav needed more information im order to pasken, he'd have to speak to someone in the industry, not just Google it.

One person on the industry will have one view.

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Re: Sold miles, broker never used them, what's their status?
« Reply #163 on: December 12, 2017, 01:06:25 AM »
One person on the industry will have one view.
Obviously, but that's something a rav has to take into account any time he asks a professional for information or an opinion.
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Re: Sold miles, broker never used them, what's their status?
« Reply #164 on: December 12, 2017, 01:15:58 AM »
Obviously, but that's something a rav has to take into account any time he asks a professional for information or an opinion.

Which is why I'd assume they Google it

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Sold miles, broker never used them, what's their status?
« Reply #165 on: December 12, 2017, 01:17:49 AM »
Which is why I'd assume they Google it
They might but they won't find much real info online.
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Re: Sold miles, broker never used them, what's their status?
« Reply #166 on: December 12, 2017, 01:30:26 AM »
They might but they won't find much real info online.

Hence, this thread!!

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Re: Sold miles, broker never used them, what's their status?
« Reply #167 on: December 12, 2017, 01:30:53 AM »
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Re: Sold miles, broker never used them, what's their status?
« Reply #168 on: December 12, 2017, 01:31:47 AM »
Obviously, but that's something a rav has to take into account any time he asks a professional for information or an opinion.
100%
Hence, this thread!!
He'll just see a bunch of posts what rabonim should/shouldn't be doing..


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Re: Sold miles, broker never used them, what's their status?
« Reply #169 on: December 12, 2017, 01:38:42 AM »
He'll just see a bunch of posts what rabonim should/shouldn't be doing..
Lol
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Re: Sold miles, broker never used them, what's their status?
« Reply #170 on: December 12, 2017, 01:53:45 AM »
100%He'll just see a bunch of posts what rabonim should/shouldn't be doing..
Who says the rabonim are not actually part of this conversation

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Re: Sold miles, broker never used them, what's their status?
« Reply #171 on: December 12, 2017, 02:01:02 AM »
Who says the rabonim are not actually part of this conversation
Henche ( female?!), spilled paint (mmgfarb ) and Chbocher...I would hope not..

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Re: Sold miles, broker never used them, what's their status?
« Reply #172 on: December 12, 2017, 02:50:45 AM »
Henche ( female?!), spilled paint (mmgfarb ) and Chbocher...I would hope not..
Excuse me, I identify as liquid gold, please have some respect.
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Re: Sold miles, broker never used them, what's their status?
« Reply #173 on: December 12, 2017, 06:34:26 AM »
How did he?

Suppose is a one time courtesy.  Broker not entitled to use up his courtesy
why one time courtesy a car rental works for a year after expiration without favors being extended

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Re: Sold miles, broker never used them, what's their status?
« Reply #174 on: December 12, 2017, 08:12:45 AM »
why one time courtesy a car rental works for a year after expiration without favors being extended

That's I'm asking how.

How could the broker have rented a cat on his account? He couldn't. So them clearly it belongs to the seller

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Re: Sold miles, broker never used them, what's their status?
« Reply #175 on: December 12, 2017, 08:20:02 AM »
I'm saying if the rav needed more information im order to pasken, he'd have to speak to someone in the industry, not just Google it.
מה מכר ראשון לשני is not dependent on the opinion of someone in the industry but rather the average guy on the street. Should he ask a broker who will know all of the potential shtick to get it done that the seller may not be required to allow him to do on his account? We see in every thread like this that the brokers have a vastly different view of their entitlements that the average person, even one familiar with miles and using them.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Sold miles, broker never used them, what's their status?
« Reply #176 on: December 12, 2017, 09:54:29 AM »
מה מכר ראשון לשני is not dependent on the opinion of someone in the industry but rather the average guy on the street. Should he ask a broker who will know all of the potential shtick to get it done that the seller may not be required to allow him to do on his account? We see in every thread like this that the brokers have a vastly different view of their entitlements that the average person, even one familiar with miles and using them.
As always, @aygart is right on the mark!

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Re: Sold miles, broker never used them, what's their status?
« Reply #177 on: December 12, 2017, 10:22:49 AM »
מה מכר ראשון לשני is not dependent on the opinion of someone in the industry but rather the average guy on the street. Should he ask a broker who will know all of the potential shtick to get it done that the seller may not be required to allow him to do on his account? We see in every thread like this that the brokers have a vastly different view of their entitlements that the average person, even one familiar with miles and using them.
My point was only that in order to understand how this industry works, you'd have to speak to someone in it, or at least very familiar with it. I wasn't saying what the rav should base his decision on.
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Re: Sold miles, broker never used them, what's their status?
« Reply #178 on: December 12, 2017, 11:11:50 AM »
My point was only that in order to understand how this industry works, you'd have to speak to someone in it, or at least very familiar with it. I wasn't saying what the rav should base his decision on.
That is something a Rov will always try to get a feel for. Some things are like that and some not. Typically when reviewing a shaylo a Rov will try to get initial research and then see if they need to dig deeper. That it pretty similar to the way anyone would research any random topic.

It is also part of why one cannot pasken choshen mishpat without hearing both sides.
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Re: Sold miles, broker never used them, what's their status?
« Reply #179 on: December 12, 2017, 02:45:57 PM »
Henche ( female?!), spilled paint (mmgfarb ) and Chbocher...I would hope not..
Why can't a female?! also  be a rabbi?