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Re: Private Pilot's License
« Reply #75 on: January 02, 2015, 07:18:38 AM »
Good thing that my opendns just blocked that ;D
lol that's probably because it's on a gambling forum...

Someone referred me to it when I had a night to kill. I ended up wasting a month of my life until I got to the end...
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Re: Private Pilot's License
« Reply #76 on: January 02, 2015, 07:57:12 AM »
Good thing that my opendns just blocked that ;D
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Re: Private Pilot's License
« Reply #77 on: January 07, 2015, 05:50:51 PM »
I got my Private Pilots License in 2010 and really enjoy it a lot, flew to some beautiful destinations with shtank with both our planes on Chol Hamoed, flying out to the catskills almost weekly summer months.

Spoke to so many people and hear this again and again, "started working on my PPL but dropped out, never finished it"

This is whats happening, when you think about going for it you think it'll take a few months and ill have it and enjoy it,

But what they dont know is that its a tough process with serious FAA tests,

Unless you really dedicate your time and effort and immerse yourself in studding the FAA books and charts, youll be dropping out and lose the time and money already spent....


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Re: Private Pilot's License
« Reply #78 on: January 07, 2015, 05:58:29 PM »




But what they dont know is that its a tough process with serious FAA tests,

Unless you really dedicate your time and effort and immerse yourself in studding the FAA books and charts, youll be dropping out and lose the time and money already spent....

Very true, this is why I recommended the ground school first. I try to get students to pass the written test first this way they could dedicate all their effort into flying. When you start simultaneously the flying tend to get ahead of the book knowledge, and it drags things along.

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Re: Private Pilot's License
« Reply #79 on: January 07, 2015, 06:42:11 PM »
I got my Private Pilots License in 2010 and really enjoy it a lot, flew to some beautiful destinations with shtank with both our planes on Chol Hamoed, flying out to the catskills almost weekly summer months.

Spoke to so many people and hear this again and again, "started working on my PPL but dropped out, never finished it"

This is whats happening, when you think about going for it you think it'll take a few months and ill have it and enjoy it,

But what they dont know is that its a tough process with serious FAA tests,

Unless you really dedicate your time and effort and immerse yourself in studding the FAA books and charts, youll be dropping out and lose the time and money already spent....


Thanks for joining!

Another thing I was told is, make sure you have all your money ready upfront. Officially the dropout rate for aspiring pilots is between 60-70% but between those who have their finances in order before they start the rate is 8% (Though I got that statistic from a flyer for a company that does financing for flight schools so you might take it with a grain of salt).
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Re: Private Pilot's License
« Reply #80 on: January 07, 2015, 06:48:28 PM »
Yes very true, make sure you have all the money ready to go. The last thing you want is to be at your solo stage and run out of money. It has happened to many including myself, BH the owner of the flight school was a very very kind person and he let me to continue flying until I got my license.

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Re: Private Pilot's License
« Reply #81 on: January 07, 2015, 07:16:10 PM »
Yes very true, make sure you have all the money ready to go. The last thing you want is to be at your solo stage and run out of money. It has happened to many including myself, BH the owner of the flight school was a very very kind person and he let me to continue flying until I got my license.
WOW that's really nice of him...
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Re: Private Pilot's License
« Reply #82 on: January 07, 2015, 07:26:21 PM »
Thanks for joining!
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(Though I got that statistic from a flyer for a company that does financing for flight schools so you might take it with a grain of salt).

What kind of companys do financing for flight school?

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Re: Private Pilot's License
« Reply #83 on: January 07, 2015, 07:32:46 PM »
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What kind of companys do financing for flight school?

There's one I know of:

http://www.pilotfinance.com/
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Re: Private Pilot's License
« Reply #84 on: January 07, 2015, 07:45:39 PM »

Very true, this is why I recommended the ground school first. I try to get students to pass the written test first this way they could dedicate all their effort into flying. When you start simultaneously the flying tend to get ahead of the book knowledge, and it drags things along.
While I think this is a totally valid approach, I am not sure it is the best for everyone. Some people learn best when they have information to supplement the practical and practical to supplement the information. When I was learning how to drive stickshift, I first tried to drive and did not get it at all. Then I read about how manual transmission works (which I wouldn't have understood had I not tried to drive beforehand) and then, when I tried driving again, I was way better at it. In my opinion, I needed to kind of learn and do at the same time.
When I was learning how to fly, I did an hour of ground and then an hour of flight at the beginning. Besides for helping me learn better, I think this gave me the excitement I needed to keep going. I think I would have dropped out of the ground at a certain point had I not had the opportunity to apply the knowledge to what I considered to be the whole reason I wanted to be a pilot - FLYING! For most people who want to be pilots, the ground school is the necessary, but mainly tedious stuff you have to do to get to where you want to go. That is not to say that ground school is unimportant (it could be the difference between life and c"v death) but I don't think people get tons of excitement from the ground school especially when they are working on their primary.
Something else to consider is that once you take your written test, you only have 24 months to get your license. While this could be a "push" for people who would otherwise dilly-dally, for some people it is just a limit on the realities of their time constraints. For me, I only had summers to do my training and because of that, I almost missed the 24 month deadline (I took my written at the end of Summer #1 (with 29.9 hours), almost finished training by the end of Summer #2 (had very little time that summer) and finally got my license at the end of Summer #3 (went to my test with 47 hours)).
Finally, if you learn the ground school stuff and then take your written, it is likely that you will forget a lot of information by the time you get to your oral. Of course, a good pilot is always studying and learning, but practically speaking, the reality is that you will need to do a considerable amount of brushing up and studying before your oral if the last time you really cracked open a book was 2 years ago (or even 40 flight hours ago since your brain works on the flying and less on the book information during that time); probably quite a bit more than if you do the ground and flight together.
Again, different strokes for different folks, but those are my opinions.

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Re: Private Pilot's License
« Reply #85 on: January 07, 2015, 07:48:35 PM »
+1
What kind of companys do financing for flight school?
If this is the only option for you, fine. Go for it. But I urge you to consider other ways (like saving. better to push it off until you're ready than to pay a lot more in interest).  My 2 cents.

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Re: Private Pilot's License
« Reply #86 on: January 07, 2015, 07:52:29 PM »
If this is the only option for you, fine. Go for it. But I urge you to consider other ways (like saving. better to push it off until you're ready than to pay a lot more in interest).  My 2 cents.
The same argument can be used against any kind of loan or financing plan. For many people that's the only way to make it affordable.

When I was a Bochur I basically got turned off just from hearing a $6-8K price tag. If I would have known I can split it into a manageable $200 a month I might have gone for it...
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Re: Private Pilot's License
« Reply #87 on: January 07, 2015, 07:57:11 PM »
The same argument can be used against any kind of loan or financing plan. For many people that's the only way to make it affordable.

When I was a Bochur I basically got turned off just from hearing a $6-8K price tag. If I would have known I can split it into a manageable $200 a month I might have gone for it...
Fair enough but this is really more of a luxury than most things and CAN be pushed off much easier than most things. Only exception would be a bochur. If you're a bochur and financing is the only real way you'll be able to afford it, then go for financing cause you'll never have the bochur factor again. But if you're married already, things actually might be easier (scheduling-wise, say) in a few years when the kids are a bit older than now, so your opportunities likely won't change over then next few years except in regards to finances which (hopefully, likely, iy"H) will improve.

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Re: Private Pilot's License
« Reply #88 on: January 07, 2015, 10:57:07 PM »
Has anyone here on DDF gone for a Job Interview yet with the Airlines?. (Of course after your 1200 flying hours)
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Re: Private Pilot's License
« Reply #89 on: January 07, 2015, 11:07:29 PM »
Has anyone here on DDF gone for a Job Interview yet with the Airlines?. (Of course after your 1200 flying hours)

Fast forward a year later I decided to give the airlines a shot. During the hiring boom I got hired into the left seat of a regional airline flying turboprops, soon after got the furlough notice and with the Falcon experience got hired as a street captain flying another Falcon.

This repetition goes on for another few years repeating the similar, the only difference is I was getting laid off instead of quitting. There was a point, I believe it was in 2008 after losing many jobs, moving all over the country that I decided not to fly professionally anymore.