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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #90 on: August 18, 2016, 10:19:00 PM »
I am not balanced here. Never have I hid my liberal side of view. I wear my progressive politics as a badge of honor. I am amused that only "you" are able to present facts, and when I respond in kinf, it's textbook liberal ideology, and therfore must be a false argument by default.

I was offended by the troll comment because I am having a real civil enjoyable conversation. Look back at all my comments and match them with others in this thread you won't see any name calling or any degrading unrespectful comment. Or questioning any experience, job and e.t.c. On the contrary...

Chill my friends chill.

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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #91 on: August 18, 2016, 10:30:11 PM »
I am not balanced here. Never have I hid my liberal side of view. I wear my progressive politics as a badge of honor. I am amused that only "you" are able to present facts, and when I respond in kinf, it's textbook liberal ideology, and therfore must be a false argument by default.

I was offended by the troll comment because I am having a real civil enjoyable conversation. Look back at all my comments and match them with others in this thread you won't see any name calling or any degrading unrespectful comment. Or questioning any experience, job and e.t.c. On the contrary...

Chill my friends chill.
Enjoyable it truly is, but please do give us some substance and facts. I've looked hard and couldn't find any in your posts on this thread.

Please do respond to the followup questions and inquiries about your statements.

Let's make this a truly intellectual discussion, if we can keep it on an intellectual level you might even end up as a proud dittohead  ;D

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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #92 on: August 18, 2016, 10:49:51 PM »
Why the need to say this ?
It's a pretty civil conversation.

If anything, that's a hurtful comment and it's out of left field, I would consider that to be trolling.

Pretty simply because you ignored any facts stated and have made up many "facts" that were proven to be false. When you were confronted with it, you go on to ignore the facts and repeat the same things over again. I disagree with ExGingi because I think a knowledgeable liberal would be able to retort with some rational counterpoints, if you were drinking the kool aid you'd be able to do the same.
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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #93 on: August 18, 2016, 11:11:12 PM »
I disagree with ExGingi because I think a knowledgeable liberal would be able to retort with some rational counterpoints, if you were drinking the kool aid you'd be able to do the same.
Not sure what it is that you are disagreeing about.

I can't wait to hear some rational counterpoints. I am one of the most open minded people I know. I have strong opinions, but am always open to hear others and am willing to change my mind and/or admit errors if convinced otherwise.

However, there seems to be a very different M.O. employed by "liberals" and "progressives" which is that a different set of standards is applied to the opposing viewpoint than to theirs.

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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #94 on: August 21, 2016, 08:47:51 AM »
My increases were very minor before Obamacare.
Now it's massive every single year.
Here's an explanation for your increases:

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/08/21/obamacares-inherent-weakness-and-four-options-for-health-care-moving-forward/

I actually think there are better options than the 4 options offered, but Matovu is likely to dismiss everything as right wing propaganda (and will point to the article as proof positive that it's the Republicans fault that none of the 4 fixes offered could pass).

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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #95 on: August 21, 2016, 09:28:29 AM »
The democrats themselves ensured that there would be perpetual Republican opposition to the law. Had they not shot down any possibility of Republican participation in the law the opposition would be blunted.
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used to start a religious discussion.

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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #96 on: August 21, 2016, 01:12:24 PM »
The democrats themselves ensured that there would be perpetual Republican opposition to the law. Had they not shot down any possibility of Republican participation in the law the opposition would be blunted.
You are barking up the wrong tree! You are allowing this to become political, when there are actually fundamental flaws in the law, and in the process of getting it passed, which have nothing to do with politics (or for that matter even with conservative or socialist leanings).

The law is founded on lies, starting with its name "Affordable Care Act" where it does nothing to address fundamental affordability. Yes, it does provide subsidies, but does absolutely nothing to control the inherent problems causing the rising costs.

For example I suggest reading http://www.managedcaremag.com/archives/2011/8/health-plans-seek-leverage-when-physicians-submit-extremely-high-bills

I have some suggestions of how to deal with that and other problems, but would like to hear others (especially Matovu) chime in with their views and opinions first.

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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #97 on: August 21, 2016, 01:18:58 PM »
You are barking up the wrong tree! You are allowing this to become political, when there are actually fundamental flaws in the law, and in the process of getting it passed, which have nothing to do with politics (or for that matter even with conservative or socialist leanings).

The law is founded on lies, starting with its name "Affordable Care Act" where it does nothing to address fundamental affordability. Yes, it does provide subsidies, but does absolutely nothing to control the inherent problems causing the rising costs.

For example I suggest reading http://www.managedcaremag.com/archives/2011/8/health-plans-seek-leverage-when-physicians-submit-extremely-high-bills

I have some suggestions of how to deal with that and other problems, but would like to hear others (especially Matovu) chime in with their views and opinions first.
Your ignoring the political issues is no better than his ignoring the inherent flaws. Both exist.
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used to start a religious discussion.

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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #98 on: August 21, 2016, 02:17:12 PM »
Your ignoring the political issues is no better than his ignoring the inherent flaws. Both exist.
Obviously both exist, but focusing on the political issues will never lead to a workable solution.

Unlike some who will always take the "party line", while I do have strong political leanings, I am by no means a political hack. I apply critical thinking to everything that crosses my path. I have no affinity for any political party.

We had a malfunctioning system before Obamacare, and rather than fixing the root causes of the malfunction, Obamacare created even more problems, increased the bureaucracy and overhead at ALL levels.
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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #100 on: August 21, 2016, 11:50:14 PM »
Not directly related to the discussion at hand, but definitely has a lot to do with the underlying political bias and economic theory:

https://youtu.be/GTQnarzmTOc

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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #101 on: August 28, 2016, 11:59:12 PM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/health-care-exchange-sign-ups-fall-far-short-of-forecasts/2016/08/27/3d93f602-6895-11e6-99bf-f0cf3a6449a6_story.html

Paging Matovu, you might find some way to spin this as a positive for Obamacare, I promise a detailed response.

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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #102 on: August 29, 2016, 06:07:48 AM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/health-care-exchange-sign-ups-fall-far-short-of-forecasts/2016/08/27/3d93f602-6895-11e6-99bf-f0cf3a6449a6_story.html

Paging Matovu, you might find some way to spin this as a positive for Obamacare, I promise a detailed response.
You've made your point.
You're rooting for it's demise.
And your begging me to fall for your bait.
Soon their gonna call me a troll ?
Without reading the above I'll leave you with this: It needs more healthy participants, and if you give it time and support it the it may work out fine.
Now use my quote as liberal garbage and run.

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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #103 on: August 29, 2016, 06:39:44 AM »
BTW, what's with your profile pic? It's hard to tell what it is on my phone, but it looks it's a pic of Neturei Karta?!

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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #104 on: August 29, 2016, 07:10:26 AM »

Without reading the above I'll leave you with this: It needs more healthy participants, and if you give it time and support it the it may work out fine.


That's part of the issue...why should a healthy participant be interested in paying the same premiums as someone in poor health? And how is that even fair?