Wall of shame???

[moshe87]

BH

We all agree that this epidemic must stop and as a community we must work to heal the sick within us, and provide support to those who were hurt.

After hearing Sima's speech I thought to myself how we cant help but be motivated by personal agenda. Those who have had experience, or are family with the abused are going to be pro .Those whom have any relation to the abusers will be against the wall.

This wall has serious implications. what if they wrongfully accuse someone ? Or what if they can cause someone to do something horrible to themselves? How are we going to warn our community from its predators?

The real question remains is this wall of shame necessary or can we " educate , protect and heal" without it,and if so how?   

[yuneeq]

Link to more info?
I have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

[gavhaller]

Yeah, this is the first im hearing of this "wall"

[ShlockDoc]

These are some bad dudes:

http://www.jewishcommunitywatch.org/wos.php

[ShlockDoc]

Or what if they can cause someone to do something horrible to themselves?

One can only hope.  Would save many lives if these guys did themselves in...

[Aj3042]

What in the world?

[yuneeq]

One can only hope.  Would save many lives if these guys did themselves in...

Question is if all guys are definitely all bad dudes.
I clicked on a few random names, some guys are registered sex offenders and had news articles, others had nothing explaining why they're there.

[sky121]

The real question remains is this wall of shame necessary or can we " educate , protect and heal" without it,and if so how?   

Yes, it's necessary.
No question.

[yakovwogi]

serves a very important place in our community.

[sky121]

Question is if all guys are definitely all bad dudes.
I clicked on a few random names, some guys are registered sex offenders and had news articles, others had nothing explaining why they're there.

THAT is the question. Who goes up? How do they decide?

They have a really hard job.

[yakovwogi]

Question is if all guys are definitely all bad dudes.
I clicked on a few random names, some guys are registered sex offenders and had news articles, others had nothing explaining why they're there.

they dont just show up there

[sky121]

Look how ingrained in us being Dan lkaf zechus is.

The whole event and the OPs main concern is the necessity of the wall of shame.

Our first concern should be the issue at hand and how we can prevent and stop this.

[yitzf]

THAT is the question. Who goes up? How do they decide?

They have a really hard job.

Q:     Do you have criteria before posting someone to the Wall of Shame?

A:      Yes, JCW does have a criteria and a generalized policy that is known to both the Board of Advisers and the Investigative Committee. Unfortunately, due to the sensitivity of the issues involved, the criteria cannot be publicly published. It contains a detailed evaluation of these issues.

[Sport]

Look how ingrained in us being Dan lkaf zechus is.

The whole event and the OPs main concern is the necessity of the wall of shame.

Our first concern should be the issue at hand and how we can prevent and stop this.

What event are you referring to.

[ShlockDoc]

What event are you referring to.

http://youtu.be/wffN3mYWCCw

Everyone in the frum world should watch this video.

[yuneeq]

So basically you have to trust them.

[SBS]

As a Rav I told people that they don't have to ask a Rav before going to police, and they shouldn't hesitate, rather they should call the police and let the police do the investigation. It is not Messirah, rather the opposite, it is safek pikuach nefesh, where the halacha is כל הנשאל הרי זה מגונה (as it says regarding pikuach nefesh on shabbos).

Regarding the wall of shame, I don't know their criteria, so I can't state an opinion on it.

Disclaimer: The wall of shame includes some (ex) friends of mine, parents of my friends, relatives of my relatives, and some teachers, so I might be biased about it.

[ShlockDoc]

Disclaimer: The wall of shame includes some (ex) friends of mine, parents of my friends, relatives of my relatives, and some teachers, so I might be biased about it.

My goodness, you have quite the chevra...

[SBS]

My goodness, you have quite the chevra...

Indeed... And I still think that JCW is doing a good job...

PS, there are other members of this forum which have a similar "black list"...

[anon613]

One can only hope.  Would save many lives if these guys did themselves in...

well, there actually already was one guy who commited suicide bec of JCW.

Everyone heard one side of the story and is ready to join the mob

i happen to know info about this case and Sima told some actual lies, twisted the truth to fit her story, and left thing unsaid or open ended so people could draw conclusions that JCW wants them too.

She bashed the Rabbanim - and she was not telling the full truth.
the rabbanim asked her if she wants to bring charges and the family decided against it.
the rabbanim then made a plan for this guy. therapy. leave the community, never have a job with youth. ....
he did all that.

is there a concept of teshuva in judaism? if a guy does something horrible but then does everything the Rabbis tell him to do, can this always be thrown back in his face?

JCW is claiming that they did 18 months of research - absolutely not true!
they are claiming that they are saving the community by putting him on the wall of shame, however there are rabbis that are working with him that know he is not a danger to the community. he wont abuse more kids and is not in a position to fall into that trap again. Yet JCW decided their agenda is more important and put him up anyways.
if its not toeles, how is this not absolute lashon hara?

when they first put him up there, they posted his home address!!

thats not to mention the collateral damage that happens. siblings and cousins of the guy that get turned down for shidduchim bec people "heard things" about the family. among other stuff

what the guy did was horrible and wrong and terrible. but if he took the steps he was supposed to, is he never supposed to have a life or a job? go to shul?.... its now 10 years later

and im sure people will say once an abuser always an abuser...
but theres more to every story then that. there are times that its a one time thing. if rules are put into place that he never has a chance to develop a close relationship with a teenage girl again coupled with therapy then he is not a danger to the public anymore and shouldnt be on the wall of shame (in this specific case)

beyond this specific story, i think that the only names that should go on the wall of shame, are people that are currently a danger to children. otherwise its just tabloids and fodder for gossip and that has no place in a jewish run org.

*i know its my first post, i didnt want to post under my reg username. if an admin needs to make sure im not a troll im happy to verify myself