Hi folks,
Firstly I wanna clarify that in no way do I justify the action of the stabbing, I’m no ruv but I believe there’s no way he was allowed to stab those people, this guy is definitely mentally retarded and needs to be isolated.
BUT
Anytime you are speaking about the defense of a murder and start with a BUT, you should probably stop. It's not going to go well.
the problem here is that people are way angrier at this stabber then they’re on other killers,
No, the problem here is that a guy murdered someone. Another problem is that people are defending said murderer. No one was comparing murders.
And the reason isn’t cause this guy was mechalel shem shumayim, had this be the reason then they’d be even more upset on all those who participated in this ugly parade,
So you believe that participating in a gay pride parade is WORSE than murder. I'm hoping that seeing your position spelled out a bit clearer will help you realize that you are wrong morally, halachically and every otherly you can think of.
Those people were (and are) mechalel shem shumayim on the worst way possible,
I might have thought that until a guy went and murdered someone at a parade, and then someone else burned a child. So yes, I believe there are far worse ways.
Marching down the streets of Eretz Yisroel showing support for something that causes abnormal pain for Hoshem rch”l, and yet no one gave a damn.
I can't speak for others, but I do give a damn. that doesn't mean we condone murdering or harming anyone responsible for that. And why do you think this pain is any more "abnormal" than any other pain, like say, murder, or defending murder, or casting aspersions on the giving a damn of other Jews about matters of holiness and chillul Hashem?
The reason we see people being so so angry on what happened is because they’re all liberal people,
Liberal can have many definitions, but the way most people here would use the term, almost all the people who are so angry on this forum are certainly NOT liberal, and have made that clear on many threads.
they don’t admire people who go out of the way for the sake of Hoshem
For instance?
EVEN when they do no violence and their only intension is to be a better Jew and do something more for Hoshem.
This thread is about a stabbing of a human being by a self-identified orthodox Jew. You have other instances about people doing things to be better Jews that you feel deserve recognition? Start a thread which highlights their actions, we'd love to hear about them.
Just this week there was a trip report posted here on the forum, there was a discussion about visiting a temple,
Ma inyan shmita etzel har Sinai?
There was that guy who questioned the poster if he was allowed to visit those places, I agree he asked it in an extremely wrong tone and that’s definitely not the way of asking
No, he didn't ask. He accused. Very big difference. Later on, someone does ask, and I thought it was fine, but he later clarifies his polite question as a holier-than-though accusation.
BUT the conversation from there and on wasn’t about his asking tone (I know some did mention it but the main discussion want about that),
He was screamed at; “Who are you? Mind your own business…” etc. etc.,
Because he accused, and he did it in someone's TR. Had he asked politely, he probably would have been directed to ask the same question in the halacha thread, or to start a new thread. It is a discussion many would like to have on this forum. But don't clog up someone else's thread with your disparaging comments about them. It is just plain rude.
Since when is this the way of a Jewish life?
To embarrass people publicly by accusing them of breaking halacha? Indeed! Since when?!
Everyone is responsible to question and correct wrong acts which is done by others, of course in the right tone and in the right way.
Precisely. Everyone is responsible to question and correct themselves. Rebuking others comes with many, many clauses. Most notably, knowing your words will be received in the intended manner, which clearly was NOT the case in this instance.
So why was everyone angry at him? Cause people are liberal and don’t like those who question their liberality and address those issues.
That doesn't even make sense.
Back to our story,
The murder you are not defending, but are writing a heck of a lot to say what, exactly?
There was this terrible parade going on in Eretz Yisroel but no one gave a damn, who cares?
Again, being against a murder does not equal condoning the parade.
They should do what they want…. It’s not my problem, BUT RIBOINY SHEL OILEM these people are Jews and they do such terrible things which cause such tremendous pain to our beloved father, aren’t you supposed to be shattered to pieces and cry about it?
Yes. But maybe also ask yourself why you are crying so bitterly about THIS terrible thing, and not the other terrible things being done by those much closer to us.
I guess the answer is “no”, why? Cause you don’t care much about Hoshem,
You made up your own answer to the question that wasn't based on anything, so I guess the reasoning can be made up too.
In general when you pull the chilel hoshem card what you really mean is that we shouldn’t be too much different from the whole world, we shouldn’t do things which would identify that were Jewish.
Your mind reading is incredible. Too bad it is so horribly off base, and flies in the face of pretty much everyone's comment history on this forum.
And that’s why it’s no problem to make fun of;
People who wont shake hands with opposite gender
Women who shave their head for the sake of hoshem
People who would very much try to avoid sitting on a plane next to a female
People who question you if your act is according halucha
Etc. etc.
You might want to check again if people are mocking those actions, or if they are extremely frustrated as to HOW those actions are often done and how they are presented publicly.
Again, people cannot do anything they want in the name of Hoshem, but when something happens then why look ONLY at what had that Jew possibly done wrong and totally ignore everything else in the picture.
Do you not see the hypocrisy here? We're speaking about a murder, and you keep trying to bring in "the bigger picture" of the chilul Hashem the parade is, and how indefensibly awful the acts of these Jews are, but then criticize people for not looking at the bigger picture and "criticizing the Jew." Why is the murderer less deserving of critique parade goers?
I’m not here to argue, I just couldn’t take what’s going on in this world.
Perhaps say a kapital Tehillim.
I hope you people will understand what I wrote (I know my grammar is bad, but that doesn't make my points anything less valuable) and won't pick and choose my words to argue on.
Indeed, one need not pick on spelling or grammar to find this post is not valuable, the ideas presented are horrific in their own right.
PS I absolutely didn't mean to accuse anyone personally, and I hope I wasn't offensive.
What is offensive are your outrageous moral equivalencies, and trying to downplay horror at a murder and call it "being liberal."
Thanks for reading.
Right back at ya
