US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread

[aygart]

[ChaimMoskowitz]

His defence actually makes sense. I can be that he said that the soldier knew what he was getting into. My first thought when hearing that was that he may have meant it to say how the soldier war so good that he wanted to defend his country even though he knew what the result may be and not the dismissive way the Ds are making it.

In this situation I am going to guess he might not have used the right words. That does not change the fact with what the congress women tried to do. "Despicable" is the right word.

[aygart]

In this situation I am going to guess he might not have used the right words. That does not change the fact with what the congress women tried to do. "Despicable" is the right word.

Yeah, he has a history of not using the right words, to say the very least. +1 about the congresswoman.

[yuneeq]

There’s a huge difference between-

“It’s sad that he died, but he knew what he was getting into.”
And
“This brave man, knew what he was getting into, and still signed up to defend his country”

Being that the quote has no context, no proof, and literally 0 motive for Trump to embarrass him (trump is extremely patriotic and wouldn’t say it unless it’s revenge), I’m inclined to believe that if he said that quote, it was in the latter context.

[skyguy918]

Kelly makes it clear that the whole 'knew what he was getting into' thing was his idea. How does he not know that there's likely a difference between what he - a Marine Corp General - would find consoling coming from another military person and what this non-military widow would find consoling from someone like Trump?

And Kelly also pretty much told us straight out where Trump got the idea of Obama and others not calling.

Bottom line, this whole thing reflects poorly on Kelly (as Chief of Staff specifically) more than Trump.

[henche]

I think it reflects rather poorly on everyone for politicizing, but much more so on the dems and media.  They are just pathetic

[elit]

Kelly makes it clear that the whole 'knew what he was getting into' thing was his idea. How does he not know that there's likely a difference between what he - a Marine Corp General - would find consoling coming from another military person and what this non-military widow would find consoling from someone like Trump?

And Kelly also pretty much told us straight out where Trump got the idea of Obama and others not calling.

Bottom line, this whole thing reflects poorly on Kelly (as Chief of Staff specifically) more than Trump.

haven't been following this issue closely but dint get why anything your saying makes Kelly look bad

[skyguy918]

haven't been following this issue closely but dint get why anything your saying makes Kelly look bad

He's supposed to be the one minimizing Trump's mistakes, and he contributed to them here. Whether or not the Dems and the media did something worse, I don't think you can say Trump did a good job here.

[elit]

He's supposed to be the one minimizing Trump's mistakes, and he contributed to them here. Whether or not the Dems and the media did something worse, I don't think you can say Trump did a good job here.

just watched his presser and i couldn't disagree more. he did a superb job and he makes the  congresswoman look despicable

[ChaimMoskowitz]

When is he going to learn his big mouth only makes it worse. The NFL has spoken now more players can act out.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trump-releases-%e2%80%98stand-for-the-national-anthem-petition%e2%80%99/ar-AAtKeUP?li=BBnb7Kz

[skyguy918]

just watched his presser and i couldn't disagree more. he did a superb job and he makes the  congresswoman look despicable

I'm not saying he didn't do a good job with the presser. I'm saying he didn't do a good job guiding Trump on this issue. He basically tried to convince Trump not to make calls (probably because he rightly knew it would do more harm than good), but in the process likely goaded him to make the calls. While making the argument that presidents don't/shouldn't necessarily call (send a letter instead), Trump spun that into Obama and others didn't call. And he basically advised him to say something on the call that was obviously not appropriate for this specific family (ignoring the congresswoman's bluster, the mother said she felt Trump disrespected).

[aygart]

the mother said she felt Trump disrespected

Would she have felt that way without the congresswoman their coaching her? Highly unlikely. Most of these types of calls they don't really hear what is being said, they just feel good that someone cared enough to call. Unfortunately over here the congresswoman was right there to poison the broth.

[skyguy918]

Would she have felt that way without the congresswoman their coaching her? Highly unlikely. Most of these types of calls they don't really hear what is being said, they just feel good that someone cared enough to call. Unfortunately over here the congresswoman was right there to poison the broth.

Without the caveat that none of us actually heard the phone call, I have to say I disagree. With the best of deliveries, that line would be tricky to say to a family that's not a 'military' family - this is not a John Kelly he was talking to. And I don't have great confidence that Trump's delivery was the best of deliveries either. Would it have been publicized without the congresswoman? Maybe yes, maybe no. But it doesn't take away from the fact that it was a bad idea in the first place.

[aygart]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-fusion-collusion-1508455434

[elit]

http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/20/gold-star-widow-releases-trumps-call-after-husband-was-killed-in-afghanistan/

[ChaimMoskowitz]

My views of this president are well known. To play politics with this issue is so wrong. I guess some have no shame.

[aygart]

My views of this president are well known. To play politics with this issue is so wrong. I guess some have no shame.

+10000000000000000

[henche]

My views of this president are well known. To play politics with this issue is so wrong. I guess some have no shame.

Yes, we understand you have a crush on him, and show it by acting out.

[aygart]

that ****** (I only mention that name on Friday) didn't....

Looks like they got the message that Friday is okay.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/19/opinion/trump-isnt-hitler-but-the-lying.html
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/452914/charles-blows-novel-idea-trump-hitler

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Sarah Huckabee Sanders needs to go. Again today she looked like a fool answering questions.