Author Topic: US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread (Read 3824698 times)

avromie7 · « **Reply #19800 on:** April 26, 2018, 11:57:27 AM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on April 26, 2018, 11:03:00 AM

twisting of facts

"Kol haposel bemumo posel" (He who finds fault in others identifies the blemish in himself, Talmud Ḳiddushin 70b).

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #19801 on:** April 26, 2018, 12:00:45 PM »

Quote from: avromie7 on April 26, 2018, 11:57:27 AM

"Kol haposel bemumo posel" (He who finds fault in others identifies the blemish in himself, Talmud Ḳiddushin 70b).

Appreciate the translation.
You care to address the original comment?

avromie7 · « **Reply #19802 on:** April 26, 2018, 12:05:11 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on April 26, 2018, 12:00:45 PM

Appreciate the translation.
You care to address the original comment?

Please specify which comment.

aygart · « **Reply #19803 on:** April 26, 2018, 12:08:29 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on April 26, 2018, 12:00:45 PM

Appreciate the translation.

By now you that saying has been repeated a few times already. Does it still need a translation?

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #19804 on:** April 26, 2018, 12:10:55 PM »

Quote from: aygart on April 26, 2018, 12:08:29 PM

By now you that saying has been repeated a few times already. Does it still need a translation?

Yes as they all look the same to me.

Translations are always appreciated.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #19805 on:** April 26, 2018, 12:12:25 PM »

Quote from: avromie7 on April 26, 2018, 12:05:11 PM

Please specify which comment.

You were defending what Trump meant about not being in Moscow. He now states he was in Moscow.

avromie7 · « **Reply #19806 on:** April 26, 2018, 12:40:49 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on April 26, 2018, 12:12:25 PM

You were defending what Trump meant about not being in Moscow. He now states he was in Moscow.

I think there was a very simple chain of events:

Trump was told he was not in Moscow overnight. - (We now know that this was not true)
Trump told Comey, he was told he was not in Moscow overnight.
Trump repeated what he said to Comey about not being in Moscow overnight, but without the introduction that that was what he was told (although that was clearly what he meant).
Someone finds proof that Trump was in Moscow overnight.
Trump realizes that those who told him he wasn't in Moscow overnight were wrong.
Trump says he was in Moscow overnight.

I don't see any evidence at all of Trump lying about it, it seems that those who told Trump he wasn't in Moscow overnight either lied or made a mistake.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #19807 on:** April 26, 2018, 12:44:11 PM »

Quote from: avromie7 on April 26, 2018, 12:40:49 PM

I think there was a very simple chain of events:

Trump was told he was not in Moscow overnight. - (We now know that this was not true)
Trump told Comey, he was told he was not in Moscow overnight.
Trump repeated what he said to Comey about not being in Moscow overnight, but without the introduction that that was what he was told (although that was clearly what he meant).
Someone finds proof that Trump was in Moscow overnight.
Trump realizes that those who told him he wasn't in Moscow overnight were wrong.
Trump says he was in Moscow overnight.

I don't see any evidence at all of Trump lying about it, it seems that those who told Trump he wasn't in Moscow overnight either lied or made a mistake.

You need glasses but as usual you look at everything about Trump this way.

avromie7 · « **Reply #19808 on:** April 26, 2018, 01:44:50 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on April 26, 2018, 12:44:11 PM

You need glasses but as usual you look at everything about Trump this way.

What did I say that is not fact, most probable, or at the very least plausable?

aygart · « **Reply #19809 on:** April 26, 2018, 02:06:01 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on April 26, 2018, 12:44:11 PM

You need glasses but as usual you look at everything about Trump this way.

No, you look at it through blue glasses, he looks at it through red glasses.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #19810 on:** April 26, 2018, 02:08:18 PM »

Quote from: avromie7 on April 26, 2018, 01:44:50 PM

What did I say that is not fact, most probable, or at the very least plausable?

Trump tells Comey others told him he was not in Moscow. Then he tells Comey he was not in Moscow. You tried to defend the two statements are the same. The statements you tired to defend were lies. Now he states he was in Moscow.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #19811 on:** April 26, 2018, 02:09:44 PM »

Quote from: aygart on April 26, 2018, 02:06:01 PM

No, you look at it through blue glasses, he looks at it through red glasses.

I produce facts like Trump admitting he was in Moscow. You on the other hand try to twist what I say as was just proven again today.

avromie7 · « **Reply #19812 on:** April 26, 2018, 02:16:03 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on April 26, 2018, 02:08:18 PM

Trump tells Comey others told him he was not in Moscow. Then he tells Comey he was not in Moscow. You tried to defend the two statements are the same. The statements you tired to defend were lies. Now he states he was in Moscow.

There is no evidence to suggest that Trump lied about what he was told.

Person A says Person B told me X, then we find out X is not true, is there anything here that shows us Person A lied?

aygart · « **Reply #19813 on:** April 26, 2018, 02:20:29 PM »

Quote from: avromie7 on April 26, 2018, 02:16:03 PM

There is no evidence to suggest that Trump lied about what he was told.

Person A says Person B told me X, then we find out X is not true, is there anything here that shows us Person A lied?

And if we have an argument between Big Liar and Little Liar? So Trump lied. It is a terrible thing but he does it habitually. Comey lied? We know that too. They both lied? Another day in Washington!

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #19814 on:** April 26, 2018, 02:59:42 PM »

Quote from: avromie7 on April 26, 2018, 02:16:03 PM

There is no evidence to suggest that Trump lied about what he was told.

Person A says Person B told me X, then we find out X is not true, is there anything here that shows us Person A lied?

Quote from: aygart on April 26, 2018, 02:20:29 PM

And if we have an argument between Big Liar and Little Liar? So Trump lied. It is a terrible thing but he does it habitually. Comey lied? We know that too. They both lied? Another day in Washington!

The difference is Trump is a proven liar and Comey so far is not. Any fair person would give the nod to Comey unless you are a defender of Trump.

avromie7 · « **Reply #19815 on:** April 26, 2018, 03:05:37 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on April 26, 2018, 02:59:42 PM

The difference is Trump is a proven liar and Comey so far is not. Any fair person would give the nod to Comey unless you are a defender of Trump.

You can believe whatever you want. You can believe that Trump lied. You can't say as fact that Trump lied unless you have proof to back up your claim.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #19816 on:** April 26, 2018, 03:11:20 PM »

Quote from: avromie7 on April 26, 2018, 03:05:37 PM

You can believe whatever you want. You can believe that Trump lied. You can't say as fact that Trump lied unless you have proof to back up your claim.

...but you can say what he meant? Like I said I would expect no different from a Trumpster.

The second time he said it was a lie!!!

avromie7 · « **Reply #19817 on:** April 26, 2018, 03:16:56 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on April 26, 2018, 03:11:20 PM

...but you can say what he meant? Like I said I would expect no different from a Trumpster.

The second time he said it was a lie!!!

We're going in circles here because you refuse to think straight, and you use your bias as proof.

To anyone not looking for an excuse to bash Trump, it's very obvious that he meant the same thing both times.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #19818 on:** April 26, 2018, 03:21:58 PM »

Quote from: avromie7 on April 26, 2018, 03:16:56 PM

To anyone not looking for an excuse to bash Trump, it's very obvious that he meant the same thing both times.

Any fair person knows Trump is a pathological liar.

You claim you know what he meant and we have to accept that. I say he lied based on him being a pathological liar and you want proof. I don't expect you to understand how foolish you sound.

aygart · « **Reply #19819 on:** April 26, 2018, 03:23:30 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on April 26, 2018, 03:11:20 PM

...but you can say what he meant?

You have been doing that very regularly and even more so than him. The difference is that you always twist everything in a way that makes him look bad and he twists it in a way that makes him look okay.

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