Do You Fly For The Flight Or The Destination?

[Yehoshua]

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Maybe I should do ?

PH SYD Monday Night
Tuesday to MEL
PH MEL Tuesday Night

Wednesday & Thursday Morning = GOR & Grampians

Thursday leaving MEL back to TLV

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I would do either SYD or GOR, not both in the 4 days you have. Way to much travel. You can easily spend 5 days in each city. Don't plan the trip around the PHs, just the activities. If you skip the GOR and just do MEL then it's barley possible to do SYD also, though I'd just do one. תפסת מרובה לא תפסת.

Exactly, but who goes to AU for 3 days anyway?

Another valid point. The only time it makes sense to go to Australia for less than 10 7 days is if you're spending time in NZ and are just stopping in Australia for shabbos on the way.

U can't do gor and Grampians in 2 days.
U also don't need to stay in mel for a day.  Fly from syd on a early morning flight and drive straight from the airport to gor.
Do mel on your last day

Are you actually recommending he do SYD and MEL in 4 days?!?!

No, but if he really wants to do more then just syd. Theres plenty to do in sydney, it's really a beautiful city.
U can also do the blue mountains and the animal park (can pet koala and kangaroos) and the caverns (forgot what its called)
The first 2 is a full day, short drive from Sydney

Stay in Melbourne for a day and go see some of the Australian sports. They are quite amazing especially Australian football.  This time if year is mainly cricket but still the BBL (big bash league) is quite entertaining.

He's flying to AU for 3 days and he should spend 1 day watching an extended length baseball game of teams he won't care about?

BBL is the shortened version of the game. I would never suggest that a full length cricket game is entertaining. These usually start around 7 and end around 9:30-10.

Took Grampians off my itinerary.

Smart move. You can still do the GOR in one day, just turn around after the 12 Apostles.

U can turn around before the 12 apostles if u don't have time.  Unless your viewing at sunset,  their just formations of rocks in the water that they make a big deal of to create tourist hype

Quoted post:

Either do SYD or MEL or CNS.
To do more than one place in 3 nights is silly. Going all the way there for 3 nights is also silly, but I digress.

+1000

[Matovu]

Either do SYD or MEL or CNS.
To do more than one place in 3 nights is silly. Going all the way there for 3 nights is also silly, but I digress.

I heard you the first time.
I know you're right.
This is my only chance.
Am going alone, and will do at my own fast pace.
If I will love the place then 20 years from now when I retire I surely will return. But then I'll do New Zealand as well. I'll also do grand Barrier Reef. And the rest.

[Matovu]

U can turn around before the 12 apostles if u don't have time.  Unless your viewing at sunset,  their just formations of rocks in the water that they make a big deal of to create tourist hype

I appreciate you input. Thanks.

[Dan]

So the point is to checkin to both PHs and rush through the GOR to say that you've checked them off your list?

It's like learning a mesechta gemara in 3 days and then you'll write a TR saying there was no depth to it like the guy who did 3 Hawaiian islands in 5 nights and said it didn't impress him.

You can just say you did it, post some Google pics, and save yourself the miles and sleep in your own bed. We won't fact check, don't worry.

[Matovu]

Actually I do want to go to Hawaii for 4 days this summer, but I guess I'll do 1 or 2 islands ?

[Dan]

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[Yehoshua]

Actually I do want to go to Hawaii for 4 days this summer, but I guess I'll do 1 or 2 islands ?

You're joking, right? 1 island max, unless it's like Maui and Lanai.

[Matovu]

So the point is to checkin to both PHs and rush through the GOR to say that you've checked them off your list?

It's like learning a mesechta gemara in 3 days and then you'll write a TR saying there was no depth to it like the guy who did 3 Hawaiian islands in 5 nights and said it didn't impress him.

You can just say you did it, post some Google pics, and save yourself the miles and sleep in your own bed. We won't fact check, don't worry.

Some here have a check off list for EY and EK F's if you get what I'm saying...

[Matovu]

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[Dan]

Some here have a check off list for EY and EK F's if you get what I'm saying...

It's vain and silly. Your own bed and your own shower are always going to be nicer than the skinny hard bed, 5 minute shower, and bad food that you'll get.

J/F is a great way to make the flight an enjoyable part of the trip instead of torture. But I'm not in #CampLucky where the whole purpose in the flying and the destination is never experienced.  Flying for the sake of flying died years ago when mileage running stopped being a profitable sport.

Life isn't about checking the boxes. Nobody cares.

[D93]

#CampLucky

ALOL

[ganizzy]

Are u taking into account the jetlag on both ends of the trip?

[Yehoshua]

Are u taking into account the jetlag on both ends of the trip?

Another good point. While I think it's pretty easy to go from the US to Australia and not have jet lag, going from Israel could be a lot harder.

[tuvz]

No, but if he really wants to do more then just syd. Theres plenty to do in sydney, it's really a beautiful city.
U can also do the blue mountains and the animal park (can pet koala and kangaroos) and the caverns (forgot what its called)
The first 2 is a full day, short drive from Sydney

think you mean http://www.jenolancaves.org.au/
correct?

[D93]

Another good point. While I think it's pretty easy to go from the US to Australia and not have jet lag, going from Israel could be a lot harder.

Why is that?

[Yehoshua]

Why is that?

Because in "real"  time SYD and MEL are only 5 hours "behind" LA in our winter so there's not much of a time difference. It's very similar to flying from LAX to GIG or GRU which are 5 hours ahead in our winter.

Coming from TLV, SYD is 11 hours ahead, so more jet lag.

Pretty cool, eh?

[ganizzy]

think you mean http://www.jenolancaves.org.au/
correct?

Yes

[AJK]

It's vain and silly. Your own bed and your own shower are always going to be nicer than the skinny hard bed and 5 minute shower  abd bad food that you'll get.

J/F is a great way to make the flight an enjoyable part of the trip instead of torture. But I'm not in #CampLucky where the whole purpose in the flying and the destination is never experienced.  Flying for the sake of flying died years ago when mileage running stopped being a profitable sport.

That's one approach. And one with which you know I disagree.

Plenty of people like to fly lishma, for the experience, just like some people like to collect salt-water crystals... for whatever reason. One cannot (or perhaps should not) be critical of another's hobby simply because it doesn't make sense to the one doing the critiquing. That would be awfully conceited and pretentious.

Me and another guy 'round here will have these memories for life. And, I got to experience JJ F before it went dodo bird on us. I wouldn't Indian-trade that experience for 115K AA... ever.

[Dan]

That's one approach. And one with which you know I disagree.

Plenty of people like to fly lishma, for the experience, just like some people like to collect salt-water crystals... for whatever reason. One cannot (or perhaps should not) be critical of another's hobby simply because it doesn't make sense to the one doing the critiquing. That would be awfully conceited and pretentious.

Me and another guy 'round here will have these memories for life. And, I got to experience JJ F before it went dodo bird on us. I wouldn't Indian-trade that experience for 115K AA... ever.

I'm well aware of your disagreement and you're more than entitled to it. But I still think it's an incredible waste of time/resources to travel without a real destination or profit motive.

Though I'm more willing to budge on my view when it comes to an end of an era flight (Read: Concorde, JJ F, etc).

[AJK]

I still think it's an incredible waste of time/resources to travel without a real destination or profit motive.

Hobbies, almost by definition, would not meet either of those criteria. While you may not have any hobbies in the typical sense of the word, or perhaps you share (with me) a "profit-driven" hobby like miles/points/cc's/cash back, plenty of folks engage in hobbies which are pursued for strictly for leisure and enjoyment, without regard for a "rational" or "profit" underpinning.