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1.  there / their / they're
2.  a vs. an
3.  went vs. have gone
4. It's vs. Its
5. Affect vs. Effect

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Author Topic: Grammar and Spelling Lessons 101  (Read 2301 times)

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Re: Grammar and Spelling Lessons 101
« Reply #45 on: November 13, 2017, 09:23:21 PM »
"effect" is still a "thing" that you are seeing. Same as saying "the color of the paint was red" - color is a noun.

Over here "effect" is a noun which belongs to the paint.

How about "the peak of the mountain" - peak is a noun too.
That house is red. The red is an adjective. Now let's transfer it to the "effect" thingy. See that effect of the paint on the house?

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Re: Grammar and Spelling Lessons 101
« Reply #46 on: November 13, 2017, 09:30:17 PM »
That house is red. The red is an adjective. Now let's transfer it to the "effect" thingy. See that effect of the paint on the house?
red wasn't such a good example because colors can serve as a noun or an adjective (eg "the red house" vs "he saw red").

When there's paint on the house, I might see "paint", or I might just see the "effect" (or both). Either way, "effect" and "paint" are nouns. You can have one noun describing another, and acting as an adjective, but inherently it's a noun.
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Re: Grammar and Spelling Lessons 101
« Reply #47 on: November 13, 2017, 11:57:01 PM »
Another way to differentiate - Affect is a verb, and Effect is a noun
Effect can also be a verb such as when you effect change. From what I understand affect can be used as a noun in psychology.
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Re: Grammar and Spelling Lessons 101
« Reply #48 on: November 13, 2017, 11:59:52 PM »
Effect can also be a verb such as when you effect change.
Good point!
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Re: Grammar and Spelling Lessons 101
« Reply #49 on: November 14, 2017, 12:17:22 AM »
Effect can also be a verb such as when you effect change. From what I understand affect can be used as a noun in psychology.
Correct.  Affect (noun) refers to a feeling or emotion. 

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Re: Grammar and Spelling Lessons 101
« Reply #50 on: November 14, 2017, 12:20:17 AM »
Correct.  Affect (noun) refers to a feeling or emotion.
Interesting!
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Re: Grammar and Spelling Lessons 101
« Reply #51 on: November 14, 2017, 07:49:58 AM »
Correct.  Affect (noun) refers to a feeling or emotion.
It's pronounced differently than the verb.
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Re: Grammar and Spelling Lessons 101
« Reply #52 on: November 14, 2017, 08:43:35 AM »
Since this is 101 can we keep it that way for those of us that need help?
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Re: Grammar and Spelling Lessons 101
« Reply #53 on: November 14, 2017, 06:13:09 PM »
Very interesting, and I didn't put it together at the time, but I was explaining to someone the difference between true and truth. In Yiddish the difference would be true = ריכטיג, and truth = אמת. According to this it'll be grammatically incorrect to say "וואס דו זאגסט איז נישט אמת". It has to be either "וואס דו זאגסט איז נישט ריכטיג" or  "וואס דו זאגסט איז נישט דער אמת". Saying "וואס דו זאגסט איז נישט אמת" is akin to saying "this is not table" instead of "this is not a table".

In short, truth is a noun, and true is an adjective.

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Re: Grammar and Spelling Lessons 101
« Reply #54 on: November 14, 2017, 06:50:13 PM »
Very interesting, and I didn't put it together at the time, but I was explaining to someone the difference between true and truth. In Yiddish the difference would be true = ריכטיג, and truth = אמת. According to this it'll be grammatically incorrect to say "וואס דו זאגסט איז נישט אמת". It has to be either "וואס דו זאגסט איז נישט ריכטיג" or  "וואס דו זאגסט איז נישט דער אמת". Saying "וואס דו זאגסט איז נישט אמת" is akin to saying "this is not table" instead of "this is not a table".

In short, truth is a noun, and true is an adjective.
You are comparing true and correct in Yiddish.
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Re: Grammar and Spelling Lessons 101
« Reply #55 on: November 14, 2017, 07:03:11 PM »
In short, truth is a noun, and true is an adjective.
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Re: Grammar and Spelling Lessons 101
« Reply #56 on: November 15, 2017, 03:00:54 PM »
"effect" is still a "thing" that you are seeing. Same as saying "the color of the paint was red" - color is a noun.

Over here "effect" is a noun which belongs to the paint.

How about "the peak of the mountain" - peak is a noun too.
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Re: Grammar and Spelling Lessons 101
« Reply #57 on: November 15, 2017, 03:18:15 PM »
It's pronounced differently than the verb.
affect verb:  accent on second syllable, pronounced [uh-'fect]
affect noun: accent on first syllable, pronounced ['a-fect] ('a' as in 'cat)